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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Jet Airways NEWS -- Part 6 Reply with quote

Part 5 touched 389 posts so starting part 6 here.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet Goes for the Kill

Aneesh Phadnis / Mumbai November 14, 2011,
0:39 IST
Airline to increase full-service flights as Kingfisher curtails operations. Kingfisher’s pain could be Jet Airways’ gain. The Naresh Goyal-led carrier plans to increase the number of its full-service flights to attract passengers affected by Kingfisher cancellations.

Currently, about 60 per cent of Jet’s domestic flights operate under the Konnect brand, a no-frills service. The airline now plans to increase the share of full-service fights to 50 per cent, says Jet Airways chief executive officer Nikos Kardassis. “The situation in the market is changing very rapidly due to Kingfisher cancelling flights every day. We are looking to add capacity and increase the number of flights, mostly in the full service. The corporate segment is now shifting over to us,’’ he says. The strategy of Jet, which posted a second-quarter loss of Rs 713 crore on the back of high crude oil prices, lean season impact and foreign exchange conversion loss, is simple. An increase in the number of full-service flights will help improve its yields and also make competition tougher for Kingfisher. Kingfisher plans to do away with the low-cost brand and offer full-service products on all flights in the next three months. Air India is the only carrier now to have full-service products on all flights. Jet Airways and its low-cost subsidiary JetLite operate 620 daily flights across domestic and international networks in the current schedule.
Since last Monday, Kingfisher has been cancelling 30-50 flights daily as it tries to pare losses. Kingfisher has said it is cutting non-profitable routes and carrying out reconfiguration of planes to relaunch as a full-service carrier. The reconfiguration will require up to three aircraft to be out of service over the next three months. That means Kingfisher will be operating a truncated schedule. Although Kardassis did not share the exact number
of additional flights, Jet could hope to benefit from the director general of civil aviation’s proposal to allow other carriers to operate flights in slots unutilised by Kingfisher. “In the second quarter, Jet’s domestic business was
under pressure and ticket prices dropped,’’ said Mahantesh Sabarad, an analyst with Fortune Equity Brokers. According to Sabarad, ticket prices fell 10-12 per cent in the second quarter on a sequential basis and now the airline can hope to recover some of the losses by raising fares. “For Jet Airways, the more pressing issue is addressing profitability in the domestic sector, which can be done by increasing fares,’’ he said. On a stand-alone basis, Jet Airways earned a revenue of Rs 3,332 crore in the second quarter of FY 2012 — up seven per cent over the same period last year. Earnings before interest tax depreciation, amortisation and rentals (Ebidtar) stood at Rs 172 crore. However, JetLite’s revenue grew just three per cent and it had an Ebidtar loss of Rs 41 crore in the second quarter. On a consolidated basis, the airline recorded a loss of Rs 713 crore compared to a profit of Rs 12.40 crore in the second quarter of last year.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ Makes sense, let the market find it's level.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jet Airways increases yields by 20% 15 Nov, 2011, 0442 hrs IST,
ET Bureau MUMBAI: Jet Airways, India's largest private carrier, has increased its yields by 20% during the first 14 days of November as against the same period in October as mass cancellation of flights by rival Kingfisher Airlines pushed up air fares, its chief operating officer Sudheer Raghavan said on a conference call with aviation analysts on Monday.
"We feel that there will not be any undue pressure on the yields in the coming months," he said. Airlines have been facing severe pressure on their yields - average revenue per mile per paying passenger - due to rising jet fuel prices and economic uncertainties.
Jet Airways has reported a record loss of Rs 714 crore during the second quarter. The airline is renegotiating aircraft leasing agreements and reviewing IT costs which could lead to rationalisation of manpower and better utilisation of aircraft, Raghavan said.
"We plan to cut cost by 5-10%. This ongoing
exercise will help bring expenses at par with other low-cost carriers. We will get into a cost structure that is affordable because 75% of the flying population in India still uses low-cost carriers," he said.
A substantial part of the airline's expenditure goes into bookings done through global distribution system and commission for agents. This will be brought down by focusing on achieving greater penetration through website bookings, he added.


The last part is what I want to highlight on.
Sudheer Raghvan expressed his displeasure about the GDS in the AGM too, where in he categorically stated that there was complete monololy by 2 GDS Companies and they were continually increasing prices.
What can be done in this regard?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet's 737-900ER? flight stats shows Jetlite is operating one. Any idea if they actually have one?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A substantial part of the airline's expenditure goes into bookings done through global distribution system and commission for agents. This will be brought down by focusing on achieving greater penetration through website bookings, he added.


I make no secret that I am a big fan of Jet but their web site is really bad for bookings. My experience booking trips from the US to India on their web site has been uniformly bad. The only reason I still do it is because the prices are very competitive. The response times are very high and the credit card charging mechanism works only once every four attempts. They really need to get their act together in this regard.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i might be wrong here but either VT-JWJ or VT-JWL (A330-200's) is at static display at the DXB Air Show.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i might be wrong here but either VT-JWJ or VT-JWL (A330-200's) is at static display at the DXB Air Show.




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/shooting/Father-comes-to-daughters-rescue/articleshow/10746906.cms

A Jet Airways security officer, unaware of exemption given to national shooters, nearly scuttled Kerala shooter Elizabeth Susan Koshy's participation in the 55th National Shooting Championships, set to begin in Balewadi on Wednesday.

The unidentified official barred Elizabeth and her father Koshy Abraham from boarding the flight (9W 2306-2379 Cochin-Bangalore-Pune) with her guns - an air rifle (0.177mm) and a 0.22mm rifle - at the Nedumbasserry International Airport in Cochin on Monday.

A worried Abraham did some quick thinking. He asked his distraught daughter to take the flight, put the rifles in his car and drove non-stop for 24 hours from Kochi to Pune to ensure that his daughter could take part in the competition.

Elizabeth and Abraham, along with national coach Sunny Thomas, had already been issued boarding passes and their weapons were sealed and cleared for journey by the airport authorities before the airline official intervened. The official demanded a clearance letter from the DGCA. Despite being pointed out that the person in question was a sportsperson who had represented India in international competition and that she had travelled several times by the same airline on the same sector with her guns, the official refused to budge.

"He referred to a circular from the DGCA, but when I asked him to show me a copy of it, he couldn't. He gave me a copy only after I entered the flight," Thomas said. "The DGCA notification was actually dated 2005. The NRAI had taken it up with the DGCA and subsequently, rules had been amended to allow sportspersons who have the required license to carry one gun with them on domestic routes," Thomas explained.

Abraham had realized that arguing with the rigid official was a futile exercise and thus drove down to Pune with the weapons. "The driver had come to drop me, but he ended up travelling with me to Pune. Poor guy, he had complained of neck pain and back strain, but he refused to let me travel all alone," Abraham said.


Does 9W security department have a new KPI of number of "guests" inconvenienced?! This looks ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kudos to Mr. Koshy Abraham. For a country where sportspersons often do not get the official backing they deserve, many succeed only because of their parents' grit and unflinching support. Kerala anyway is perhaps India's top state in terms of many sports - this is exemplary. Jet Airways on the other hand, cut a sorry figure here in this incident...I wonder - have they at least issued an official apology to Elizabeth? Given that their PR is much better than the nearly non-existent AI one, or the weird Kingfisher one, India's perhaps best-managed full-service carrier should go ahead with this - at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet Airways has added a new 737-800 to the fleet today, as VT-JBV.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i might be wrong here but either VT-JWJ or VT-JWL (A330-200's) is at static display at the DXB Air Show.


FYI - it was VT-JWL.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet has taken delivery of their 100th aircraft.
VT-JBV, a new 737-800, with skyinteriors.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jet has taken delivery of their 100th aircraft.

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Jet begins CCU-DMU 6 times a week

9W2883 CCU1010 - 1205DMU AT7 x2

9W2884 DMU1235 - 1455CCU AT7 x2

Source: http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/KolkataDimapurFlight.aspx
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http://www.assetfinanceinternational.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5111:jet-airways-to-raise-350m-from-sale-and-leaseback-of-20-planes&catid=704:asia-pacific&Itemid=1229

Jet Airways to raise $350m from sale and leaseback of 20 planes

18 November 2011

Jet Airways is looking to raise up to $350m from the sale and leaseback of aircraft. It will also aim to cut costs by renegotiating contracts across various operations such as aircraft leasing and fuel supplies.

“We have proposals worth $300-350m for sale and leaseback of around 20 aircraft,” M Shivkumar, senior vice president - finance, Jet Airways said. “The process will start in December.”

Jet reported a Rs733 crore loss in Q2 of 2011. In addition, Jet needs to repay Rs1,487 crore of a total debt of Rs14,100 crore in two quarters.

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Jet Airways has added a new 737-800 to the fleet today, as VT-JBX.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204531404577055292616846210.html

Jet Airways Plans to Give Loans to JetLite.

NOVEMBER 23, 2011

Jet Airways (India) Ltd. said Wednesday it plans to give 500 million ($9.6 million) of interest-free loans to JetLite by the end of March as part of immediate steps to keep the loss-making unit continue its operations.

"These funds will be enough for JetLite," said M. Shivkumar, senior vice president in charge of finance at Jet Airways. "The environment is improving now and we expect higher yields in the coming months to generate the additional requirement of cash," he said, referring to December and January, when extended holidays lead to a rise in travel.

The decision to provide financial support to JetLite follows remarks from Jet's auditors that the carrier needs to raise money to fulfil its obligations and also fund JetLite, whose net worth has eroded.

Auditors Deloitte Haskins & Sells and Chaturvedi & Shah said in their limited review of Jet's July-September results that raising funds was vital if the airline's accounts in the future are to be prepared on a "going concern" basis, which refers to a company's ability to generate enough funds to stay operational.

Jet Airways, India's biggest airline by market share, had infused 16.45 billion rupees as equity and an additional 14.14 billion rupees as loans to JetLite until the end of September.

Jet's financial troubles reflect wider issues in India's aviation industry where all airlines except one--low-fare carrier Indigo--are incurring losses. Airlines have been hit by high fuel prices, mounting interest costs, a falling rupee as well as fierce competition that isn't allowing them to fully pass on the higher costs to customers.

Rashes Shah, an analyst with ICICI Securities Ltd., said Jet can, for the time being, withstand challenges in the industry but "will be in trouble if the negative environment sustains for more than a year."

Jet Airways's Shivkumar said also that a planned institutional share placement, through which Jet aimed to raise $400 million, won't happen anytime soon. But he added that Jet plans to sell and leaseback more planes in the next six months to generate cash.

The airline has a fleet of 100 planes, of which it owns 40, with the remainder on lease.

It can fetch up to $300 million as profit from the sale and leaseback of the 40 planes, Mr. Shivkumar said, but added that Jet would prefer to own some planes to keep some assets on its balance sheet.

He said also that Jet has to repay 15 billion rupees of debt by the end of March. Of this, 6 billion rupees is short-term debt, part of which Jet may refinance.

JetLite was formed in 2007 after Jet acquired Sahara Airlines Ltd. and turned it into a budget carrier. The unit incurred a loss of 1.07 billion rupees in the financial year ended March 31, 2011.

Jet Airways, whose shares have lost two-thirds of their value in 2011, posted a net loss of 7.14 billion rupees in the July-September quarter, compared with a year-earlier net profit of 124 million rupees.

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Jet Airways Increases Capacity on Mumbai – Dubai Service Dec 2011 – Feb 2012

As per 25NOV11 GDS timetable and inventory display, Jet Airways from 16DEC11 to 29FEB12 is increasing capacity on Mumbai – Dubai service, which 1 of 3 Daily service is to be operated by Airbus A330-200, instead of Boeing 737-800.

Operational schedule as follows:

9W542 BOM0915 – 1105DXB 73H D
9W538 BOM1540 – 1720DXB 73H D
9W544 BOM1855 – 2045DXB 332 D

9W541 DXB1215 – 1635BOM 73H D
9W537 DXB1855 – 2320BOM 73H D
9W543 DXB2200 – 0220+1BOM 332 D


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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Jet-Airways-charges-for-carrying-arms-on-board/articleshow/11039525.cms

Jet Airways charges for carrying arms on board

Dec 9, 2011

Airways might be in trouble with the Directorate General of Civil Aviation for levying additional charges on passengers carrying licenced arms on board.

The matter came to light last month when a participant of the 55{+t}{+h} National Shooting Championship in Pune was not permitted to board her flight until she paid Rs 5,000 for carrying an air pistol, even though the gun was checked in.

Koninica Dasgupta was travelling on Jet Airways flight 9W-365 from Delhi to Pune. She arrived at IGI Airport at 6.45am for her 8.30am flight and after standing in line for 45 minutes, reached the check-in counter around 7.30am.

"The staff at the check-in counter told me that I would have to pay Rs 5,000 for the Steyr LP10 air pistol that I was carrying, as per a Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) rule. I was carrying all the requisite documents, including a circular about the competition organized by the National Rifle Association of India (NRAI) and membership cards issued by the NRAI and the Delhi State Rifle Association. My boarding card was finally issued to me at 8.15am after I made the payment in cash. Another participant was similarly charged Rs 15,000 for carrying three guns," she said.

DGCA officials denied that they had asked airlines to levy any such charge and said that they would take up the matter with Jet Airways. The secretary of NRAI Rajeev Bhatia also complained that more shooters had faced this problem with Jet, the only airline that levies a charge for carrying arms.

Meanwhile, Jet Airways officials told TOI that the charge was not based on a DGCA order but was being levied by the airline directly.

A spokesperson said, "Jet Airways and Jetlite levy a charge on passengers for carrying firearms onboard its domestic and international flights. Passengers are exempt from paying this charge if they are serving with the defence forces, paramilitary forces and police and if travelling on duty and carrying an official order issued by their departments concerned authorizing the 'carriage of weapon and/or ammunition for official purpose'."

Sportspersons travelling to participate in a competition or to represent the country in any event are also exempted from paying the charges if they have valid identification documents, valid licence for arms and ammunition and written documents issued by the president or secretary of the sports club sponsoring him/her for an event.

The spokesperson said Dasgupta "could not produce valid and bonafide documents, including an official invitation, and hence could not be exempt from the charges levied on her". The airline justified the charge saying it was being done "for making available a dedicated resource responsible for carrying firearms onboard and for managing this process".

DGCA officials said no such order had been issued by it or any clearance taken for levying additional charges. They also said the airline would be asked to give an explanation on the matter.

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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011
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Subject: JetUpdate: Now fly Mumbai-Dubai on an A 330!


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It gives us immense pleasure to inform you that effective December 19, 2011, we will be introducing the new A 330 aircraft in service on the Mumbai – Dubai – Mumbai sector. What this means for you is a faster and more comfortable way to get to Dubai and back.

With more leg space and plush cushioning the new A 330 is certain to pamper you like never before so hurry book your tickets today!

This A 330 aircraft will operate on the following flight:
• Mumbai to Dubai: 9W544 Dep 18:55 Arr 20:45
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All timings are local.

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• This A 330 operation will be in service till February 29, 2012
• The other flights on this route will continue to operate on a Boeing 737

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Almost highlighting that the regular narrowbody product is inferior.
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I've flown Jet to DXB and MAA in the last 2 weeks - both on the 737 service. On both ocassions I was left feelign immensely stupid for having given them my hard earned money as revenue.

The services are meant to be full service - but Jet crew seem to now not be able to distinguish when they are operating Konnect or full service.

There were no dedicated check-in counters for frequent flyers, meal was a sandwich (????) and there was no wine service. The curt response - Sir, this is what we serve on these sectors. If you want more, try another airline.

Whoa.... when did they start hating the people who contribute towards their salaries??

Its Emirates for me next time!!!
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try AI. I hear they are very good.
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andrew wrote:
I've flown Jet to DXB and MAA in the last 2 weeks - both on the 737 service. On both ocassions I was left feelign immensely stupid for having given them my hard earned money as revenue.

The services are meant to be full service - but Jet crew seem to now not be able to distinguish when they are operating Konnect or full service.

There were no dedicated check-in counters for frequent flyers, meal was a sandwich (????) and there was no wine service. The curt response - Sir, this is what we serve on these sectors. If you want more, try another airline.

Whoa.... when did they start hating the people who contribute towards their salaries??

Its Emirates for me next time!!!


Thats sad.. when I flew the same sector last month, it was a full service flight. Plus I always manage to snag the J seat on this all economy flight. Some decent Shut eye.

Maybe this has something to do with an article tht came abt Jet Konnect going international.
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andrew wrote:
...The services are meant to be full service - but Jet crew seem to now not be able to distinguish when they are operating Konnect or full service....

Jet Airways doing half measures? Now there's a shocker.

And JetChildren not having a clue? There's an even bigger shocker.

abhigopal wrote:
try AI. I hear they are very good.

Umm.. I don't know about that. The crew for sure must be a million times better. I doubt any airline crew has ever matched the JetChildren in terms of cluelessness. Not even Air India during their darkest periods.

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Thats sad.. when I flew the same sector last month, it was a full service flight. Plus I always manage to snag the J seat on this all economy flight. Some decent Shut eye.

Maybe this has something to do with an article tht came abt Jet Konnect going international.


Interesting how things are always picture perfect when you fly Jet, whether it is at the airport or on the plane, but are a right royal mess when others do. Did somebody say conspiracy?

And no. That flight is marketed and sold as a "Full Service" Jet Airways flight.
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jasepl wrote:
justbala wrote:
Thats sad.. when I flew the same sector last month, it was a full service flight. Plus I always manage to snag the J seat on this all economy flight. Some decent Shut eye.

Maybe this has something to do with an article tht came abt Jet Konnect going international.


Interesting how things are always picture perfect when you fly Jet, whether it is at the airport or on the plane, but are a right royal mess when others do. Did somebody say conspiracy?

And no. That flight is marketed and sold as a "Full Service" Jet Airways flight.


Strange isnt it Wink

But then unlike some people we know, i dont live on a single point agenda. If I like something I say so and if i dont I make my opinion clear on tht front. Dont have a "Hate someone/something to death" campaign going on with my life Very Happy

I usually fly BLR-BOM-DXB-MAA-BLR. The DXB-MAA leg coz its the last 9W flight out of DXB. Its usually a Konnect Select configured flight, with a full Economy Service - and love having the J seat on Y fares Smile Food has been good on all flights I have taken and the alcohol service similar to all other Gulf flights.
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I usually fly BLR-BOM-DXB-MAA-BLR.


Oh. My. God.

So you really do love Jet that much, don't you.

I mean you take the pains to go well out of your way to forsake a convenient 3-hour flight on Emirates or Kingfisher, with a combined choice between 4 non-stop options and pick instead a roundabout connection involving Santa Cruz and Sahar.

That just confirms that, yes, if you were to cut your chest open, a yolk would indeed fall out.

So much for claimed objectivity. La vie en bleu-et-jaune more like.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet service goes down the flush Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
justbala wrote:
I usually fly BLR-BOM-DXB-MAA-BLR.


Oh. My. God.

So you really do love Jet that much, don't you.

I mean you take the pains to go well out of your way to forsake a convenient 3-hour flight on Emirates or Kingfisher, with a combined choice between 4 non-stop options and pick instead a roundabout connection involving Santa Cruz and Sahar.

That just confirms that, yes, if you were to cut your chest open, a yolk would fall out.

So much for claimed objectivity. La vie en bleu-et-jaune more like.


Ha ha... for one, I dont like the 330s tht EK plies on the Dubai-Bangalore route.

I have flown IT on this route and was not really impressed by their service (I am Gold on King Club btw). That leaves me with 9W (I am Gold on JP too) and I have had my maximum upgrades on the BOM-DXB sector.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet service goes down the flush Reply with quote

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Ha ha... for one, I dont like the 330s tht EK plies on the Dubai-Bangalore route.

I have flown IT on this route and was not really impressed by their service (I am Gold on King Club btw). That leaves me with 9W (I am Gold on JP too) and I have had my maximum upgrades on the BOM-DXB sector.


It is a three-hour flight! That's it. What exactly do you want on that flight? What exactly do Jet offer that Emirates don't (besides a crew of kindergartners)?

More importantly, how does it matter? It's a three-hour flight!

And who in their right mind would pick two 737s over one 332?

If I - with my supposed single-point agenda in life - can happily fly Jet when it is the most convenient option, then your life's agenda is by far a significantly more extreme one.

Also, besides being a JetFanatic, it seems like you're inclined towards severe masochism as well. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet service goes down the flush Reply with quote

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justbala wrote:
Ha ha... for one, I dont like the 330s tht EK plies on the Dubai-Bangalore route.

I have flown IT on this route and was not really impressed by their service (I am Gold on King Club btw). That leaves me with 9W (I am Gold on JP too) and I have had my maximum upgrades on the BOM-DXB sector.


It is a three-hour flight! That's it. What exactly do you want on that flight? What exactly do Jet offer that Emirates don't (besides a crew of kindergartners)?

More importantly, how does it matter? It's a three-hour flight!

And who in their right mind would pick two 737s over one 332?

If I - with my supposed single-point agenda in life - can happily fly Jet when it is the most convenient option, then your life's agenda is by far a significantly more extreme one.

Also, besides being a JetFanatic, it seems like you're inclined towards severe masochism as well. Smile


We all have priorities in life. Yours is to crib at every small thing, mine is a lil different to that. Smile

Flying EK does not offer any benefit to me - no lounge access/upgrades/miles etc.For me that IS a deal breaker.I have flown EK only when other options were not available.

BTW on the DXB sector I rate 9W's IFE a lot better than what EK provides. Of course it does not show your choice of Inuit movies, but I can live with that Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, extreme fanaticism and masochism. Coupled with egg-in-the-chest syndrome.

A most unfortunate affliction, I must say.

If you want, I can pass along the number of a psychiatrist who could try to help. Or maybe an exorcist will work better? Razz
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If you want, I can pass along the number of a psychiatrist who could try to help. Or maybe an exorcist will work better? Razz


If you wish to, but not your personal shrink. He seems to be no good at all. He didnt manage to cure you,did he? Twisted Evil

I suggest we use PM to carry this on.. do not wish to deviate the discussion on the thread. Smile
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justbala wrote:
jasepl wrote:

If you want, I can pass along the number of a psychiatrist who could try to help. Or maybe an exorcist will work better? Razz


If you wish to, but not your personal shrink. He seems to be no good at all. He didnt manage to cure you,did he? Twisted Evil

I suggest we use PM to carry this on.. do not wish to deviate the discussion on the thread. Smile


No No, carry on here. This is amusing Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you wish to, but not your personal shrink. He seems to be no good at all. He didnt manage to cure you,did he? Twisted Evil

She wouldn't agree that I was right, so I had to dump her. But an exorcist it is for you. I'm afraid that's what it would take.

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The services are meant to be full service - but Jet crew seem to now not be able to distinguish when they are operating Konnect or full service.

By the way, I forgot to ask you about the aircraft.

Someone just flew Jet on BKK-BOM a couple of days ago and he said the 737 looked like a BEST bus from the inside.

There were ads for some government type insurance company stuck on all of the tray tables and the J class bulkheads had floor-to-ceiling ads for Ballantines and Chivas.

Very curious for a supposedly full-service flight of an airline that generously uses adjectives such as "fine" and "world class" and "premier" to describe itself.

Did your 737 resemble Ryanair too?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
justbala wrote:
If you wish to, but not your personal shrink. He seems to be no good at all. He didnt manage to cure you,did he? Twisted Evil

She wouldn't agree that I was right, so I had to dump her. But an exorcist it is for you. I'm afraid that's what it would take.

andrew wrote:
The services are meant to be full service - but Jet crew seem to now not be able to distinguish when they are operating Konnect or full service.

By the way, I forgot to ask you about the aircraft.

Someone just flew Jet on BKK-BOM a couple of days ago and he said the 737 looked like a BEST bus from the inside.

There were ads for some government type insurance company stuck on all of the tray tables and the J class bulkheads had floor-to-ceiling ads for Ballantines and Chivas.

Very curious for a supposedly full-service flight of an airline that generously uses adjectives such as "fine" and "world class" and "premier" to describe itself.

Did your 737 resemble Ryanair too?


Actually its all over the place... even on the crew uniform!! Smile

The ads are in a panel abt 6cm by 18cm behind the tray table and in the bulkhead separator similar to those seen on IT. Not floor to ceiling as you would like to imagine.
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From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Flier-awarded-Rs-50000-for-drink-refusal/articleshow/11186140.cms

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NEW DELHI: An international airline has been directed to pay a compensation of Rs 50,000 to a Canadian on being discriminated against because of her gender after one of its crew members refused to serve her alcohol as she was a woman.

A district consumer disputes redressal forum has also advised the Jet Airways India Limited "to train its staff on etiquette and behaviour" without any discrimination on the basis of gender and nationality.

"It is the choice of the passenger to demand the drink of their liking in the air journey and Indian crew members cannot be allowed to make any differential remarks between Indian and European women and they are expected to respect even lady members who demand alcohol and that too cannot be denied by the airline's crew members as it is a question of choice and not of imposing one's culture biases and prejudice on any one," said district forum president C K Chaturvedi.

The woman, working with the Canadian High Commission in India, had sought 50,000 canadian dollars as compensation. The woman had filed the petition claiming that she was aggrieved by the etiquettes and behaviour of the crew member of Jet Airways Limited during her return journey from Bangkok to Delhi through their flight on December 15, 2009. She alleged in her complaint that after taking off, when the plane was in the air and services had begun with beverages and snacks, she had ordered a rum drink. She was, however, informed by the male steward that the complainant being a female could not have alcoholic drink.


Wow - moral police have infiltrated the Jet crew!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually its all over the place... even on the crew uniform!! Smile

The ads are in a panel abt 6cm by 18cm behind the tray table and in the bulkhead separator similar to those seen on IT. Not floor to ceiling as you would like to imagine.


So, yes. Jet are taking their inspiration from Ryanair. Lovely. And extremely classy / premium / fine / world-class. Indeed.

Nimish wrote:
Wow - moral police have infiltrated the Jet crew!

How does that saying go? When you can't do, preach. Or some such.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:

Nimish wrote:
Wow - moral police have infiltrated the Jet crew!

How does that saying go? When you can't do, preach. Or some such.


Some of Jet's male FA's/ground staff think no end of themselves. I've seen this on many occasions. Once on an early morning BOM-HYD flight (most of us were connecting from International flights) there was this arrogant twit of a FA who kept saying things against NRIs and foreigners. He acted like a big patriot, ending every cabin announcement with 'Jai Hind'. It was only after some of the passengers told him what they would do to his sorry a** that he behaved himself!

It must have been the same idiot who denied that woman her drink.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are always isolated incidents with every airline. For most part I have found Jet staff to be professional. In the US we have frequently muslim and arab "looking" passengers getting kicked out regularly because of perceived bias of either fellow passengers or FA's. This does not mean that airline is intent on discrminating.
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