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iah87
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Scissor connection observations |
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| Nimish wrote: | | 2sk21 wrote: | | If I were 9W management, I'd drop BOM and DEL and run the scissor connection with flights from AMD, BLR and MAA to EWR, ORD and ATL or DFW |
I think it would be foolish to exit the 2 highest yielding markets out there, but certainly makes sense to look at additional legs like BLR-BRU-ORD and perhaps AMD/HYD-BRU-XXX (some other east/ mid-west city).
Why can't 9W launch perhaps 3X pw say ex AMD and 4x pw say HYD thereby getting an actual feel of the potential from such cities (and before EK/ QR/ EY harvest the complete mind share of Indian travelers). |
9W already tried BLR and dropped it quickly. Of course things change and BLR may be now is viable. However AMD and HYD are working for AI (as a onestop), so may be 9W should look into this.
One city where 9W can start is IAD, which has good traffic potential. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: Scissor connection observations |
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| iah87 wrote: | | 9W already tried BLR and dropped it quickly. Of course things change and BLR may be now is viable. |
9W's BLR affair was a half assed one like no other. It seemed like it was explicitly launched just to spite IT's new upcoming BLR hub, and nothing else. Plus launching a one-leg BLR-BRU feeder makes no sense to me, they should have added a new North American city there - would have resulted in a positive impact.
BLR is definitely not a gold mine or anything like that, but I suspect can sustain a 4x pw or daily frequency on a 332 - that should not be too tough. But given sufficient onward connections from BRU - not just EWR/ JFK and YYZ.
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BRU is tricky for 9W. Atleast as far as the loads are concerned, its well set, be it tapping into the CMB-YYZ market via MAA/BRU, the HKG-BRU market via DEL/BOM or just targetting connecting high O&D stations, be it BOM-EWR or DEL-YYZ. yields are the issue.
Any significant changes they make to the current system, they run the risk of losing precious loads, which is why they need to work out their numbers very hard. Either make some capacity changes, or add some domestic/international feeders.
A 4th terminator flight to BRU is most definately an option, and its not necessary that this 4th flight makes money or not as long as it contributes in making the entire BRU system profitable.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: Re: Scissor connection observations |
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| Nimish wrote: | Plus launching a one-leg BLR-BRU feeder makes no sense to me, they should have added a new North American city there - would have resulted in a positive impact.
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By just doing BLR-BRU, they didnt have the overhead of adding a new working station in the US.
BLR-BRU was a great option for travelling to a lot of European destinations. But from what I heard from the 9W staff, inbound loads were good, while outbound was bad - on somedays less than 100 pax on the flight. But then the flight was launched , when the recession of 2008 was in full force. |
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| me111993 wrote: | | A 4th terminator flight to BRU is most definately an option, and its not necessary that this 4th flight makes money or not as long as it contributes in making the entire BRU system profitable. |
Oh yes, add that to the Jetuna Matata recipe for failure.
Take six loss-making routes.
Add a seventh loss-making route.
Stir, cover and simmer.
Yummy.
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| jasepl wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | A 4th terminator flight to BRU is most definately an option, and its not necessary that this 4th flight makes money or not as long as it contributes in making the entire BRU system profitable. |
Oh yes, add that to the Jetuna Matata recipe for failure.
Take six loss-making routes.
Add a seventh loss-making route.
Stir, cover and simmer.
Yummy. |
Its clear that you're not really aware of how a scissors hub works (which i'm quite surprised at btw, coz your dearly Delta has 2 international ones).
The 4th flight from India will be a pure terminator flight, simply to feed onto the other 3 N-America bound flights.
This way, they'll be able to develop one city, BLR comes to mind immediately as there's a lot of scattered traffic, they'll need 2 odd years to develop BLR, IMO, in that way, they get to connect BLR to JFK/EWR/YYZ, hence improve loads on the BRU-N-America routes which is the bigger issue in the current BRU system.
Even if the BLR flight loses money, they stand to rectify a lot of things, if they want to continue. Once they've started getting a good response from BLR, they can consider extending the BLR flight to a new point in the US.
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Delta have a scissors hub? No, wait, two scissors hub?
Does Atlanta know?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| me111993 wrote: | The 4th flight from India will be a pure terminator flight, simply to feed onto the other 3 N-America bound flights.
This way, they'll be able to develop one city, BLR comes to mind immediately as there's a lot of scattered traffic, they'll need 2 odd years to develop BLR, IMO, in that way, they get to connect BLR to JFK/EWR/YYZ, hence improve loads on the BRU-N-America routes which is the bigger issue in the current BRU system. |
What point is a terminator? I'm not sure I get the logic here. A terminator necessarily means that the BRU-India sectors will have essentially 1 332 flying empty every single day. Or is there sufficient (1 332 worth) of India-BRU traffic that can fill the terminator flight? I thought there would also an be an equal amount of US-BRU traffic that would anyway offset India-BRU traffic.
Adding an additional point in the US also gives the premium pax from BOM/ DEL another potentially important destination. Be it ORD or IAD or MIA or something else the number crunchers come up with - adding 1 additional combination at BRU essentially gives everyone about 8 or so new route combinations to sell and fill.
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| Nimish wrote: | | I'm not sure I get the logic here. |
That's because there isn't any. There wasn't any back when they tried it the first time and there isn't any now.
You're right in that a terminator means 250 seats to either unload in Brussels or to pass on to SN every day. Not going to happen.
Don't forget SN's Kennedy flight that's going to start soon, at nearly the same exact timings as Jet's. If people's "facts" are to be believed, Jet is a hugely popular way to travel between Brussels and New York. With SN's flight starting, the impact on Jet is going to be significant.
When they're already assured of losing more money than they're losing now, it makes no sense to add a terminator to lose even more.
And, looking back, Jet didn't need to incur that vast expense of starting BLR-BRU just to push IT off the ledge. The Fat One's managed to do that quite well all by himself.
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Comparing 9W's hub operation to DL's is an extremely odious comparison.
DL may have scissors hub at NRT, AMS but that has been in place for many years when the competition was less. Still these hubs do face pressure from rivals. However their success is not defined by just starting a scissors hub, but also being in a bonafide alliance and having an extremely strong hub structure in their home country like JFK, ATL, (with NW you can add DTW, MSP as well).
Speaking of 9W, which is not in alliance, adding a BRU terminator is the same as a European carrier adding a flight to BLR. Again with EK, QR, EY into the picture; even AF is feeling the heat. Forget about 9W even venturing that road given the tough times it faces now and that there is no certainty it would yield any good for them. 9W could have gained more popularity had it connected a lot of Indian points to international flights, but that is not the case.
At the end of the day, the BRU hub is a mess. If they were smart enough, they would have launched ORD, EWR and YYZ in the first place instead of serving both JFK and EWR wherein AA could have handled the onward traffic from ORD too. Add to that EWR, YYZ and ORD back then had the least competition from the Gulf carriers which would have given time for 9W to establish itself well there.
Which brings me to the conclusion, there is no point in 9W doing any changes to their operations at BRU. Whatever they do would involve a lot of money for which returns are not guaranteed in the short term. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jasepl wrote: | Delta have a scissors hub? No, wait, two scissors hub?
Does Atlanta know? |
Tokyo and Amsterdam are petrol pumps then, right?
Obviously they're a lot more complex and developed and the one in AMS is a JV with KL, at the end of the day, they're international hubs, right? And if not, then i get to know why you have no idea as to how a scissors hub works.
@Nimish, in my previous post, i'd written how would have to really crunch in the numbers, as of now, seeing the way Jet is going about making changes on the BRU system (77W to BRU only not to EWR, properly configured A332 on DEL-BRU only on Fri and Sat), I get the indication that the India-BRU runs are doing better than further flights.
Plus, i know for a fact that there a lot of Europe connections on SN from India AND SN is starting a BRU-JFK flight on their own, which will somewhat affect 9W's own loads. As justbala mentioned above too, lots of Europe connections can support the BLR flight.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| avbuff wrote: | Comparing 9W's hub operation to DL's is an extremely odious comparison.
DL may have scissors hub at NRT, AMS but that has been in place for many years when the competition was less. |
Well, Amsterdam & Narita aren't scissors hubs for Delta; they're full hubs. Plus, AMS has the KL joint venture and NRT has long been a proper hub for NW. Delta only really did a scissors thing in Paris for a bit with BOM & MAA, but that didn't last too long.
We're not talking about a couple of flights that originate elsewhere that stop at Narita for passengers to interchange. They have planes and crew based there and run plenty of flights standalone flights.
| avbuff wrote: | | Which brings me to the conclusion, there is no point in 9W doing any changes to their operations at BRU. Whatever they do would involve a lot of money for which returns are not guaranteed in the short term. |
Yep. Unfortunately, staying at BRU means returns are also not guaranteed in the long term.
If they're going to stick with a one-stop strategy, then an option is to move to another airport that is significantly cheaper and change focus to India-originating traffic instead of the fantasy sixth-freedom stuff that's going to continue eroding. That should have been the focus in the first place anyway.
Who knows, they could perhaps pick an airport that doesn't have direct competition on all three of the transatlantic routes like BRU does. Because that competition is with entrenched, alliance airlines who are the home carriers at one end or the other. Not an even match from any angle, even if Jet were to be considered a million times better in quality.
Of course, this is all subject to the cost of moving, any contracts with the BRU operator, potential loss of revenue from the SN feed, etc etc. All rather complicated. And of course, none of us have any actual numbers.
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Thanks for the clarification Avbuff.
And for the record, I DIDNOT compare AMS or NRT to BRU in ANYWAY! It had no relavance to the discussion going on here.
Short-term gain is the issue, if Jet can stand to lose money on BRU for 2 more years, than make BRU an all 787 system, that ought to do it.
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| The only short term solution to all the discussion is 9W joining an alliance and more importantly a JV. After that a BLR - EU - USA can be very much doable and would give a tough fight to the ME carriers. |
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| avbuff wrote: | | The only short term solution to all the discussion is 9W joining an alliance and more importantly a JV. After that a BLR - EU - USA can be very much doable and would give a tough fight to the ME carriers. |
But this would require 9W/ NG to drop their mega-egos and realize they are merely mortals, not likely to happen I presume 
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They really need to let the ego go away
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/jet-airways-delays-payment-of-january-salaries/articleshow/11809615.cms
Trouble continues for airline employees as India's largest airline by market share Jet Airways has delayed payment of salary for the month of January.
The airline was suppose to credit the salaries by 7th of February but the airline failed to do so according to three company sources who did not want to be named. This is the second month in a row that the airline has delayed payment of salaries on time. Surprisingly, unlike January, this time the HR department has not send out any official mail to its employees to convey the reasons for the delay. However sources say that the salaries will be paid by 15th of February this time around.
'Some department heads have been intimated informally that the salaries will not be payed before 15th of February. However no official mail has been send' said one source.
In January, the airline had payed salaries to the pilots, engineers and senior management on the 14th of January while the remaining employees got it by 7th of January.
After Kingfisher Airlines and Air India, Jet Airways is the latest to join the list of airlines that have been consistently delaying salaries. In January, the airline also slashed salaries of its trainee pilots,
Jet Airways has close to 950 pilots and 12000 employees. |
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by the by, anyone with any idea as to how JNB and MXP are doing?
JNB will turn 2 years old within the next 2 months, 14th April, to be precise.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| avbuff wrote: | | The only short term solution to all the discussion is 9W joining an alliance and more importantly a JV. After that a BLR - EU - USA can be very much doable and would give a tough fight to the ME carriers. |
That's true, especially the JV bit. Hell, a JV will likely do more good than any alliance membership.
I don't know why they didn't take up AF-KL-DL on the JV offer. It would have done them a world of good already.
Or are they still holding out for everything and risking ending up with nothing?
And at least from the outside, it seems that the SkyTeam partners appear to work with each other much better than others. There's constant route swaps and the like, the extent to which we haven't seen with others.
I cannot, on the face of it, see Lufthansa giving up anything to anyone! At least poor IT didn't try to get into Star. LH would have swallowed them whole.
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Here's a bit of a far-fetched idea: 330s between India and Brussels and 777s between Brussels and North America.
Will 4 x 330 be similar to 3 x 777?
Of course, there's too many other complications associated with that, and I would still question the ability to fill those seats, but at least the numbers somewhat align.
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| jasepl wrote: | Here's a bit of a far-fetched idea: 330s between India and Brussels and 777s between Brussels and North America.
Will 4 x 330 be similar to 3 x 777?
Of course, there's too many other complications associated with that, and I would still question the ability to fill those seats, but at least the numbers somewhat align. |
Nothing wrong with that, however we need to make a distinction between a B777 and Jet's B777. The latter being configured in such a way that they cannot be used beyond LON, HKG and leasing to other airlines. |
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Yep. That's one of the things I meant by complications (just too lazy to detail them!).
From what was reported, even HKG and LHR aren't doing great things: J capacity remains identical and F is largely decorative now. All they get are more Y seats to sell at low prices.
That First cabin is a lot of dead weight and a lot of wasted space. Often on London and routinely on Hong Kong.
But then if they dump First, they're stuck with even more capacity that just isn't going to be filled.
So, yeah, flush my idea down the toilet.
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| jasepl wrote: | Yep. That's one of the things I meant by complications (just too lazy to detail them!).
From what was reported, even HKG and LHR aren't doing great things: J capacity remains identical and F is largely decorative now. All they get are more Y seats to sell at low prices.
That First cabin is a lot of dead weight and a lot of wasted space. Often on London and routinely on Hong Kong.
But then if they dump First, they're stuck with even more capacity that just isn't going to be filled.
So, yeah, flush my idea down the toilet. |
Well, if you remove F, what you get around 54-60Y seats or 16-20J seats (very rough calculation).
Their J loads normally stay good, so either they do good with the additional J capacity or further add Y seats, and lower the CASM, either way, they stand upon improving their performance.
Did you realize, both TG/TK ordered the 77W, but after leasing 9W's ones, they made sure that theirs didn't have First Class.
Don't know about HKG, but LHR performs superbly for them.
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Achha? When did that hapen? Until very recently it was a very definitive they're almost always empty and, if anything, only one of the three Heathrow flights has decent F sales.
Either way, I think it's time they did away with First. It wasn't a bad idea to start with, but it didn't work out as anticipated. Nothing wrong with that; happens all the time to the best of us. What they do instead is more important.
Regardless of airline, First is simply not worth the expense to an increasing number of customers, especially since the J products have improved so much, there's simply no need. It's time to accept that reality and get on with it.
The key here, as with everything in life, is how and when one picks up the pieces.
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No, i was talking about LHR in general, not First Class only.
But fully agree with you on this.
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| Jet first needs to free up some space in J and Y for the frequent flyer redemptions and upgrades. They are absolutely one of the worst in allocating seats for redemptions. And they need to join an alliance.... in a hurry. I know Jet prefers Star, but they should give up on that and look at OW or Skyteam. |
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JetLite is adding another former Lion Air Boeing 737-900ER to its fleet.
The currently registered M-ABEP is presently in Subang, Malaysia and will soon receive her VT regn.
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| 747-237 wrote: | JetLite is adding another former Lion Air Boeing 737-900ER to its fleet.
The currently registered M-ABEP is presently in Subang, Malaysia and will soon receive her VT regn. |
jetLite? Or Jet Airways?
9W have their first scheduled 73J flight on the 17th of this month.
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| me111993 wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | JetLite is adding another former Lion Air Boeing 737-900ER to its fleet.
The currently registered M-ABEP is presently in Subang, Malaysia and will soon receive her VT regn. |
jetLite? Or Jet Airways? |
Slated to join JetLite.
Formerly G-XLAR with XL Airways and PK-LGH with Lion.
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| Quote: | Hi,
I had booked ticket for Hyderabad to Mumbai With Jet Airways Flight 602 scheduled to depart 2:55 PM 09th Feb.This flight has got cancelled and I had been shifted to flight 2116 scheduled to depart 3:05 PM. PNR : FRBIMA. Passenger Name: Kriti Agarwal
On 8th Feb had called Jet Airways, spoke with Sohan and confirmed flight timing for passenger and PNR(1).He told me that not to worry and Jet is responsible to transfer passengers if flights are cancelled and they have taken care of that and there is no need to communicate with agent.
I got a message from jet airways in the morning stating that my flight has been delayed(2).
I reached the airport and went to the booking counter to take a printout on my PNR(3).
I then took this printout inside the airport to the checkin counterwhere I was issued a boarding pass(4)an hour before departure, a scanned copy of which is attached.
After security check I was waiting for the flight when suddenly 5 mins before boarding your staff comes and informs that my ticket had been cancelled .I made staff speak to my husband over the phone and the staff said to my husband " I will disconnect the phone in 2 secs.either you buy a new ticket ya isko hum log offload karte hai" this is the way he spoke.Sheer blackmailing and when my husband requested him to let me fly and he will settle issues here in Mumbai, staff refused and since i did not have enough money, I had to take money from two other passengers whom we returned back the same in mumbai.
My question is after you check the above 4 listed points how can you perform these 4 activities if the ticket had been cancelled.
I was harassed mentally by your staff and had ordered idli to eat that also i was not able to collect from counter, was hungry through entire journey.
I was charged Rs. 4650 by your staff, the receipt of which is attched. If you check the same you will see that the amount mentioned on receipt is 4601( here also there is a difference of Rs. 49 is this a premium over actual charge?),PNR is different, receipt is for another flight 2136 while i flied in 2116 with my old boarding pass. Your staff forcefully charged money before boarding and issued ticket receipt for another flight. You can check the same in attached copy
I am very very unhappy with the harrasment done by you at hyderabad .
i still do not understand how have you issued a boarding pass to me if the flight was cancelled. What the hell was this happening. Boarding pass issued, security check done and you ask me to repay for a new ticket 5 mins for departure for different flight.
I am a regular flyer on all flights. 4 of my family members are Kingfisher Gold tier members.
Last year I have flied to London and singapore with your international division
A lot of my friends are platinum members to whom i will circulate this. Also I am going to communicate the same to AIHRA(human rights ) where my father-in-law is an advisor on the North Panel.I have already reported this to multiple news media.I am going to report this on all your consumer forums.
Staff at hyderabad name: IAN Code: 606783
I will want you to refund my entire flight amount and in fact compensate for the mental trauma caused to me during this entire incident. |
A shocking incident reported by a friend yesterday on her flight from HYD to BOM. Pardon my Friend's command over english, but I sincerely believe the issue is pretty grave.
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^ Agreed: totally unacceptable. It can (and does) happen with every airline, not that that's a justification.
When making complaints, I'm not personally a fan of name-dropping and going "Don't you know who I am" or "Don't you know who I know" - but it might get the job done, who knows.
What was Jet's response?
Don't be surprised if all you get is a denial that the incident ever happened.
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| Totally unacceptable, the Prime Minister should resign on Moral grounds in the wake of this incident. |
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| avbuff wrote: | | Totally unacceptable, the Prime Minister should resign on Moral grounds in the wake of this incident. |
Hahah! Sushma Bhenji much?
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| patkini wrote: |
A shocking incident reported by a friend yesterday on her flight from HYD to BOM. Pardon my Friend's command over english, but I sincerely believe the issue is pretty grave.
Rgds,
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They actually cancelled the 'ticket' after issuing the boarding pass????
That's disgraceful, and probably against the regulations as well. I think your friend must sue their a$$.
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| avbuff wrote: | | Totally unacceptable, the Prime Minister should resign on Moral grounds in the wake of this incident. |
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| The_Goat wrote: | They actually cancelled the 'ticket' after issuing the boarding pass????
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Yes, thats wat is being said by the Jet Authorities! But how thats possible is beyond my understanding!
Jasepl, even I believe against the "Do you know who I am" funda! But I just posted the original complaint as it was!
Ojas, well why not impeach the President as well?
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Most likely this is what will happen:
Your friend will get an automated response, saying thanks for your input, we will look into the matter and get back to you in 10 days.
On day 10, your friend will get another automated response, saying we have looked into it, nothing of the sort happened (ie: you're lying), so go away.
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| jasepl wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | | Totally unacceptable, the Prime Minister should resign on Moral grounds in the wake of this incident. |
Hahah! Sushma Bhenji much? |
No, I hate the A380 sized bindis. I was into the character of Arun Jaitley who would says "Parrrrrrrrrty" or to be precise speaks Sankritised English.
@patkini
Thanks for reminding that we do have a President.
On a serious note, what has happened was unfortunate. Your friend should drag them to the consumer court. Any airline who indulges in such action should be sanctioned. |
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By the way, what's up with the Hong Kong flights?
I was looking at flights and the Jet website showed no First on certain days, which was odd. Wasn't it supposed to be all 77W?
Turns out the 332 has been more the rule than the exception recently. And if the website is saying no First at the time of booking, it must be a planned change, albeit on seemingly random days.
What happened?
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| jasepl wrote: | By the way, what's up with the Hong Kong flights?
I was looking at flights and the Jet website showed no First on certain days, which was odd. Wasn't it supposed to be all 77W?
Turns out the 332 has been more the rule than the exception recently. And if the website is saying no First at the time of booking, it must be a planned change, albeit on seemingly random days.
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I think its a stable 77W from March onwards.
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Maybe they're not able to fill the Ws.
On the dates I was looking at - 24-27 Feb - it indicates 77W. But the J class fare differences are significant:
9W: 77,140
CX: 164,082
Similar story on a couple of other date combinations as well.
Ouch.
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