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Jet has had its fair share of incidents. What has saved it is, the right media contacts and strings they have pulled at the right time to avoid bad press.
IDR was one such big incident, where in the aircraft was written off. |
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| ameya wrote: | Jet has had its fair share of incidents. What has saved it is, the right media contacts and strings they have pulled at the right time to avoid bad press.
IDR was one such big incident, where in the aircraft was written off. |
And your support for these statements is . . . ?
Zip.
If Jet has had its share of incidents, the Indian press which is quick to turn a frooti box with a cockroach in it into a major aviation snafu would be all over it.
Aviation safety has only one loss for Jet, namely the IDR accident in 2007.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=8082 |
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| The_Goat wrote: | How about showing product adverts on the IFE (if they don't do that already), or attaching an ad banner to the tail of the airplane, so it flutters behind as the plane flies?
Painting ads on the underside of the wings can also be a good idea 
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Ooh...I forgot all about the IFE. But of course they have adverts at the start of shows on the IFE ! And in their magazine too.
That brings us to:
* website
* boarding pass
* tray table
* crockery
* bulkhead
* fuselage
* IFE
* magazine
Add the total peddling such as "Advertise with Us" and "Become an Affiliate" bang on the first page of their website, and they just might have Ryanair beat !
Jet's become such a whore, they'll do anything.
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| jasepl wrote: | | Blah Blah, Waaw Waaw Waaw, Whine Whine Whine. |
The airline is opening additional channels of revenue. Dont see what the problem is.
And from someone who is all for reducing domestic service to peanuts, this particular whine (i know u gotta whine abt something!!) smacks of double standards!!
Am sure you had a closer look at the glasses that ur fav Amreekan airline Delta serves its beverages.. look for an embossing of Coca Cola. Now thats classy, but if an Indian operator were to do that, suddenly you gotta go "waaw waaw" |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | ameya wrote: | Jet has had its fair share of incidents. What has saved it is, the right media contacts and strings they have pulled at the right time to avoid bad press.
IDR was one such big incident, where in the aircraft was written off. |
And your support for these statements is . . . ?
Zip.
If Jet has had its share of incidents, the Indian press which is quick to turn a frooti box with a cockroach in it into a major aviation snafu would be all over it.
Aviation safety has only one loss for Jet, namely the IDR accident in 2007.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=8082 |
The incident was reported and even discussed on this forum. And when you say "one such incident" - any clues to the "other such incidents".
P.S. - Bund-bay residents can let their imagination and whines run amok!!  |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | Yes, even one slip is too many, but as far as slips go, this is fairly minor (especially if the airline ensures that it doesn't happen again). |
It's not about the slip, but the claim that they take it all seriously.
How on earth can anyone justify the response telling the complainant that he was lying?
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| Jaysit wrote: | | So far (fingers crossed), Jet has been accident free in its 18 years of operations. That speaks more for its safety record than the fact that on one flight, a bunch of lazy FAs sat in the galley reading Stardust instead of collecting Limca cans. |
Jet has had accidents and numerous incidents (a hard landing could count as an incident....)
But yes overall their safety record is great.
I agree with ameya though, Jets PR team does a good job of keeping certain news bits out of the media- same with Indigo.
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Jet to fly via AMS on 29th/30th owing to the General strike in Belgium.
Flights from India depart early morning
9W 229 Toronto Jan 29, 21:40 Amsterdam Jan 30, 11:00
9W 229 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00 Delhi Jan 31, 01:10
9W 227 Newark Jan 29, 21:40 Amsterdam Jan30, 11:00
9W 227 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00 Mumbai Jan 31, 02:20
9W 225 New York Jan 29, 21:10 Amsterdam Jan 30, 11:00
9W 225 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00 Chennai Jan 31, 02:55
9W 228 Mumbai Jan 30, 08:10 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00
9W 228 Amsterdam Jan 30, 15:00 Newark Jan 30, 17:25
9W 226 Chennai Jan 30, 06:50 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00
9W 226 Amsterdam Jan 30, 15:00 New York Jan 30, 17:25
9W 230 Delhi Jan 30, 08:15 Amsterdam Jan 30, 13:00
9W 230 Amsterdam Jan 30, 15:00 Toronto Jan 30, 17:30
P.S. -jasepl should be one happy cookie that day!!  But domestic connections are going to suck that day!! |
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Hopefully this will be a good opportunity for 9W to size up Skyteam/ AMS as a future option
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| stealthpilot wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | So far (fingers crossed), Jet has been accident free in its 18 years of operations. That speaks more for its safety record than the fact that on one flight, a bunch of lazy FAs sat in the galley reading Stardust instead of collecting Limca cans. |
Jet has had accidents and numerous incidents (a hard landing could count as an incident....)
But yes overall their safety record is great.
I agree with ameya though, Jets PR team does a good job of keeping certain news bits out of the media- same with Indigo. |
All airlines do.
Not every hard landing or bird strike or tire blow out or missed approach makes it into the press or some database anywhere in the universe. The press will report such incidents only if the aircraft is damaged, written off, or if there's loss of life. Or, of course, if its a slow news day. |
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S2 appears to have gone double daily on AMD-BLR and also started an AMD-JAI-DEL.
now they have an early morning and an evening flight to and from BLR, fantastic for business travellers and are now 4 Daily on AMD-DEL, basically matching 6E step by step.
The new rotation is S2 855/856 BLR-AMD-JAI-DEL-IXJ-DEL-JAI-AMD-BLR.
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me111993
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One rotation of the 737-900ER which S2 took delivery of sometime ago is BLR-MAA (S2 606) -BLR-DEL-LKO (S2 234) -DEL-BLR-MAA (S2 235) -BLR (S2 609).
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| me111993 wrote: | | One rotation of the 737-900ER which S2 took delivery of sometime ago is BLR-MAA (S2 606) -BLR-DEL-LKO (S2 234) -DEL-BLR-MAA (S2 235) -BLR (S2 609). |
Do the 9W 737-900ERs operate in & out of BOM anyplace other than DEL?
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| 747-237 wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | One rotation of the 737-900ER which S2 took delivery of sometime ago is BLR-MAA (S2 606) -BLR-DEL-LKO (S2 234) -DEL-BLR-MAA (S2 235) -BLR (S2 609). |
Do the 9W 737-900ERs operate in & out of BOM anyplace other than DEL? |
No, not on a scheduled basis, but they are switched at times, specially during the afternoons.
I've spotted the 739 in AMD 2-3 times.
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| stealthpilot wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | So far (fingers crossed), Jet has been accident free in its 18 years of operations. That speaks more for its safety record than the fact that on one flight, a bunch of lazy FAs sat in the galley reading Stardust instead of collecting Limca cans. |
Jet has had accidents and numerous incidents (a hard landing could count as an incident....)
But yes overall their safety record is great.
I agree with ameya though, Jets PR team does a good job of keeping certain news bits out of the media- same with Indigo. |
Its the PR team duty to arrange for those small parties & interesting Interviews in return 
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9W has made DEL-SIN as an year around A330 service.
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More 9W flights from AMD, nonstops to MAA/HYD.
they're starting a new rotation - MAA-AMD-HYD-DEL-HYD-AMD-MAA! All Konnect flights.
Thanks to member 15a for the updates.
basically, atleast as far as AMD is concerned, what the trend appears to be, is that they start business-traveller friendly morning/evening timings in/out of AMD and the afternoon run operates an inter-metro flight.
Since October this year, S2-9W have added MAA/JAI/HYD/BLR/BHO as non-stop destinations, LKO/CCU/IXJ/CJB as one or more stop destinations.
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Is 9W too getting the 739ERs?? I searched BOM- Kathmandu flights in March. Shows 739 with a completely new seat map. It has arouind 178Y +8C. Not sure exactly. Or is this one of the reconfig 739's. ?? Anyone!?  |
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| lavence7 wrote: | | Is 9W too getting the 739ERs?? I searched BOM- Kathmandu flights in March. Shows 739 with a completely new seat map. It has arouind 178Y +8C. Not sure exactly. Or is this one of the reconfig 739's. ?? Anyone!? |
9W is to get 2 737-900ER's! I didn't expect that the route will be BOM-KTM and that the config will be 8/178!
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VT-SIK has been de-registered wef from 31.01.2012. The plane was ferried to victorville two weeks ago and returned to its lessor ACG.
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Yes, 2 -900ERWs are also joining the 9W fleet very soon.
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| lavence7 wrote: | | Is 9W too getting the 739ERs?? I searched BOM- Kathmandu flights in March. Shows 739 with a completely new seat map. It has arouind 178Y +8C. Not sure exactly. Or is this one of the reconfig 739's. ?? Anyone!? |
the other destination which has been upgauged is KWI.
Basically the rotation is BOM-KTM-BOM-KWI-BOM.
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| deaphen wrote: | VT-SIK has been de-registered wef from 31.01.2012. The plane was ferried to victorville two weeks ago and returned to its lessor ACG.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | JetLite has returned a Boeing 737-800, VT-SIK to its lessor and has had it ferried to Brussels. |
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The 2nd S2 737-900ER rotation is DEL-HYD-COK-HYD-DEL. S2 241/242. Very poorly used a/c, departs at 0915 and returns into DEL at 1830, or the routing is temoprary, we can easily see flights being added.
So to Sum it all up,
9W-S2 were to get 2+2 737-900ER's.
* VT-JLJ/JLH are the ones that S2 has, they are configured in all Y-212 seat config and operate the following routings,
> BLR-MAA-BLR-DEL-LKO-DEL-BLR-MAA-BLR
> DEL-HYD-COK-HYD-DEL
* 9W hasn't taken delivery of their 2 737-900ERs and neither am I aware of their regs, assuming they follow the order, they'll be VT-JBY/JBZ. They are configured in high density economy config - 8J/178Y.
one of the routings that will be operated is
> BOM-KTM-BOM-KWI-BOM
the other routing is unknown as of now, it maybe domestic ones, they may upgauge more international routes or may even go for new international routes, one of whom may quite possibly be BOM-KUL.
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Jet Airways to Start 737-900ER Service to Kathmandu & Kuwait from mid-Feb 2012
Indias Jet Airways starting mid-Feb 2012 is introducing Boeing 737-900ER service on Mumbai Kathmandu and Mumbai Kuwait route, which sees capacity increase. The 737-900ER is configured in C8Y178. The airline has already started 737-900ER service on selected domestic routes.
737-900ER operational days and schedules:
Mumbai Kathmandu eff 16FEB12
9W266 BOM0815 1105KTM 73J x6
9W266 BOM1000 1250KTM 738 6
9W265 KTM1205 1450BOM 73J x6
9W265 KTM1415 1700BOM 738 6
From 19MAR12, 737-900 operates Daily
Mumbai Kuwait
9W572 BOM1800 2100KWI 73J D
9W571 KWI2110 0315+1BOM 73J D
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| Has 9W also reconfigd their 73G's as they too show 8C seating!?? |
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| 747-237 wrote: | | deaphen wrote: | VT-SIK has been de-registered wef from 31.01.2012. The plane was ferried to victorville two weeks ago and returned to its lessor ACG.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | JetLite has returned a Boeing 737-800, VT-SIK to its lessor and has had it ferried to Brussels. |
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Partly correct, was ferried VIA Brussels to VCV |
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| deaphen wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | deaphen wrote: | VT-SIK has been de-registered wef from 31.01.2012. The plane was ferried to victorville two weeks ago and returned to its lessor ACG.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | JetLite has returned a Boeing 737-800, VT-SIK to its lessor and has had it ferried to Brussels. |
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Partly correct, was ferried VIA Brussels to VCV |
Because at that given moment, she was at BRU - so not "partly correct", rather "partial information" in a timeline.
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| Effective 3rd week of March 9W will be reducing flights on DEL - DOH and DEL - AUH each from daily to 5 weekly. On DEL - DOH QR operates double daily B77L + A330 along with 9W whereas on DEL - AUH EY and AI operate daily flights each along with 9W. |
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| avbuff wrote: | | Effective 3rd week of March 9W will be reducing flights on DEL - DOH and DEL - AUH each from daily to 5 weekly. On DEL - DOH QR operates double daily B77L + A330 along with 9W whereas on DEL - AUH EY and AI operate daily flights each along with 9W. |
Any reasons for this ? !
Very surprising move. 6E might want to put this across and get some rights, to begin with, just prepare a case. |
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Could this be due to aircraft shortage? Because within the same time they are starting 4 weekly DEL - DMM. But on the flip side the reductions seem to be permanent.
While I'm not aware of DEL - AUH performance, DEL - DOH is losing money ever since QR started the second daily on the route. |
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Aircraft shortage may be an issue for DEL-AUH, but DEL-DOH was done on an 8/162 configured a/c, and DEL-DOH obviously doesn't need an ETOPS certified a/c either.
Any of JGG/GF/GH/GJ/GK/JBL/BM/BN/BP/BV/BU could've done that flight, surely they can position one of these in DEL!
Otherwise there are 19 routes (excluding DEL-DMM/AUH) operated by 16/138 configured 737's which overlap with DEL-AUH's timings, otherwise they have 21 738's which operate in 16/138, so that can be an issue.
But 9W reducing frequencies of Gulf flights is very wierd, reducing JNB I could understand, 9 hour flight on an A332, a loss making DEL-DOH flight is much like a loss making DEL-MAA flight, either you completely terminate it or wait the daily flight to deliver.
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Did the 9W staff get their salary finally...Its the 3rd.
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| avbuff wrote: | Could this be due to aircraft shortage? Because within the same time they are starting 4 weekly DEL - DMM. But on the flip side the reductions seem to be permanent.
While I'm not aware of DEL - AUH performance, DEL - DOH is losing money ever since QR started the second daily on the route. |
9W seems to be in bad state financially if these short haul internationals are being removed for revenue issues |
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| ameya wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | Could this be due to aircraft shortage? Because within the same time they are starting 4 weekly DEL - DMM. But on the flip side the reductions seem to be permanent.
While I'm not aware of DEL - AUH performance, DEL - DOH is losing money ever since QR started the second daily on the route. |
9W seems to be in bad state financially if these short haul internationals are being removed for revenue issues |
Dunno, it's something else, doesn't appear to be that, firstly, its 20 routes (i hadn't accounted for DEL/CCU-BKK) which overlap with DEL-AUH, not 19, which leaves 9W with only 1 spare 737 and 2 routes to operate, unless the other 737-900ER takes over another 73H route.
Secondly, if they really decide upon slashing loss making routes, then I guess there'd be a lot more that they'd have cut back on than a couple of Gulf routes.
Thirdly, at this time, everything is going against them, rupee is down, ATF prices is insane, market is riddled with over capacity and underpricing, I guess in a matter of some time, things can only get better. They have tons of assets, they raised 76 crores by just selling 5 engines, they still have 40 planes that they own and almost Rs 500 crore due from the BKC land deal.
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Not to forget they have to service a 14000Cr debt, if I am not wrong. Though most of it is secured unlike KF.
IN todays markets, 500Cr before you realise. But none the less, lets wait and watch.
If they have a clear subfleet for these ops and they need space for maintenance / recovery then yes this move makes sence. But generally in such operations, you tend to make another aircraft ready for international ops and chop of something on the domestic. |
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Just took 9W from EWR to MAA. Transatlantic was half empty but EWR-MAA was full. Talking to the gate agent at BRU, I learned that many passengers on the MAA flight had come from ORD via AA. The main conclusion that I see is that MAA must be underserved.
If I were 9W management, I'd drop BOM and DEL and run the scissor connection with flights from AMD, BLR and MAA to EWR, ORD and ATL or DFW |
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Jaysit
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Scissor connection observations |
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| 2sk21 wrote: | Just took 9W from EWR to MAA. Transatlantic was half empty but EWR-MAA was full. Talking to the gate agent at BRU, I learned that many passengers on the MAA flight had come from ORD via AA. The main conclusion that I see is that MAA must be underserved.
If I were 9W management, I'd drop BOM and DEL and run the scissor connection with flights from AMD, BLR and MAA to EWR, ORD and ATL or DFW |
Airlines have tried AMD, BLR, etc.
But at the end of the day, BOM and DEL still sell seats, especially at the front of the plane. |
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Nimish
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Scissor connection observations |
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| 2sk21 wrote: | | If I were 9W management, I'd drop BOM and DEL and run the scissor connection with flights from AMD, BLR and MAA to EWR, ORD and ATL or DFW |
I think it would be foolish to exit the 2 highest yielding markets out there, but certainly makes sense to look at additional legs like BLR-BRU-ORD and perhaps AMD/HYD-BRU-XXX (some other east/ mid-west city).
Why can't 9W launch perhaps 3X pw say ex AMD and 4x pw say HYD thereby getting an actual feel of the potential from such cities (and before EK/ QR/ EY harvest the complete mind share of Indian travelers).
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15a
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| me111993 wrote: | | ameya wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | Could this be due to aircraft shortage? Because within the same time they are starting 4 weekly DEL - DMM. But on the flip side the reductions seem to be permanent.
While I'm not aware of DEL - AUH performance, DEL - DOH is losing money ever since QR started the second daily on the route. |
9W seems to be in bad state financially if these short haul internationals are being removed for revenue issues |
Dunno, it's something else, doesn't appear to be that, firstly, its 20 routes (i hadn't accounted for DEL/CCU-BKK) which overlap with DEL-AUH, not 19, which leaves 9W with only 1 spare 737 and 2 routes to operate, unless the other 737-900ER takes over another 73H route.
Secondly, if they really decide upon slashing loss making routes, then I guess there'd be a lot more that they'd have cut back on than a couple of Gulf routes.
Thirdly, at this time, everything is going against them, rupee is down, ATF prices is insane, market is riddled with over capacity and underpricing, I guess in a matter of some time, things can only get better. They have tons of assets, they raised 76 crores by just selling 5 engines, they still have 40 planes that they own and almost Rs 500 crore due from the BKC land deal. |
It does seem to be aircraft availability led. Del dmm is 1367, del auh is 24567 & del doh is 12345. 14 weekly frequencies with 2 aircraft. |
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