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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will the loss in pay be compensated when things get streamlined & profits return.


Nope. At least not according to the random stranger I happened to hear about this from.

Coincidentally, I happened to be sitting to a Jet pilot-in-training in the doctor's waiting room yesterday.

We just struck up a random conversation and he mentioned the same thing: that Jet had just sent them all letters cutting their future pay by almost 2/3.

Also, Jet apparently take 20 lakh from pilot hopefuls to cover the cost of training. Half of it is a straight charge, the other half a deposit, which is returned after a set period of time.

These trainee pilots can't do anything about the pay cut, but they were hopeful that Jet would either increase the amount of deposit to be returned or start refunding it sooner. But it seems neither is going to happen; rumour has it that the period may be extended.

And I am amused, in a feeling sorry sort of way, that this notice from Jet too started with their new favourite cant: oil - waa - costs - waa - economy - waa waa.
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Jet Airways delays December salary

Trouble for airline companies continues, as India largest airline by market share, Jet Airways has delayed payment of salary for the month of December.

The worst hit are the pilots, engineers and senior management, who will receive their salaries on the 14th of January. The remaining employees will get their salaries by 7th of January.

The airline informed the employees about this latest development via an official mail send out by the company's HR head. No reasons were mentioned in the mail as to why the salaries have been delayed.

Typically Jet Airway's employees receive their salaries by the 4th or 5th of every month. ET NOW is in possession of the letter send out by the HR.

After Kingfisher Airlines and Air India, Jet Airways is the latest to join the list of companies that have delay salaries. Earlier this week, the airline also slashed salaries of its trainee pilots,

Jet Airways has close to 950 pilots and 12000 employees.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/jet-airways-delays-december-salary/articleshow/11340857.cms
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Normally the trend is to compensate the loss to the employee when profits return....its speaks of a professional company....If 9W is not doing that its very disapointing.
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GECAS has leased three of its newly ordered -72/600s to Brazilian regional carrier TRIP Linhas Aéreas and has signed with Jet Airways in India for another five units.


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GECAS has leased three of its newly ordered -72/600s to Brazilian regional carrier TRIP Linhas Aéreas and has signed with Jet Airways in India for another five units.


Will be the very first time that Jet has mentioned anything about its ATR fleet plans, BEFORE taking delivery!

Btw, ATR 72-600s FTW!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dad just completed a round trip on BOM-BKK-BOM on 9W - Business class.
He is hating the decision.

His core factors of selecting 9W was the new 0730 dep from BOM so that he would work when he lands since he was to return by the evening 2055 dep the next day.

BOM - Decent experience, lounge not upto the mark.
BKK - No lounge access was given, there was some arguments between some business class pax and the jet staff

Onboard:
Outbound - Decent service, seats were not very comfertable. Food just about OK.
Inbound - Poor Service. There were used napkins in his seat pockets. Limited drinks service and the crew said they forgot to upload nuts and other items to be served along with the drinks service.
NonVeg option got over in Business class !!!!!!!!

Guess he is too used to *A standards, since most of his travels come on *A.
But jet is not going anywhere with this service. Having best timings, good connectivity and hub structure is one part of the story, having best service, good aircrafts and happy guest is another...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, given the short duration of the flight, Jet's J seats are perfectly good for the route. They're no beds, sure, but do the job just fine.

Al BOM, Jet's offering is the same as Al Yemda's, so of course it's going to be below the mark. At BKK, I wouldn't put it past Jet to withraw lounge access completely. Thai need to be paid, and with fuel prices - waa - and the ecomomy - waa - and good golly gosh have you seen the exchange rate - waa waa...

As for the crew, well, that's what you get when the recruitment office is between the see-saw and the swings in the baajoo walla playground.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Guess he is too used to *A standards, since most of his travels come on *A.
But jet is not going anywhere with this service. Having best timings, good connectivity and hub structure is one part of the story, having best service, good aircrafts and happy guest is another...


Looking at TG vs. 9W - both hubbed at either end - sounds like TG's overall experience/ consistency is far better than what your dad experienced on 9W. Has your dad flown TG on the route and how did he rate that compared to 9W?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consistancy is one thing you get with TG, and with most other legacy carriers, for that matter. IFE is something that lacks in TG though, can really make 4 odd hours very long.

@ameya, any idea how full the flight was? By what i've heard recently, there's been a great response to the 3rd daily BKK service, they've managed to pull in a great amount of tourist traffic + a lot of Gulf Transit traffic!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Consistancy is one thing you get with TG, and with most other legacy carriers, for that matter. IFE is something that lacks in TG though, can really make 4 odd hours very long.

@ameya, any idea how full the flight was? By what i've heard recently, there's been a great response to the 3rd daily BKK service, they've managed to pull in a great amount of tourist traffic + a lot of Gulf Transit traffic!


BOM-BKK : 13/16 and economy 90%
BKK-BOM : SOld out on both classes
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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me111993 wrote:
Consistancy is one thing you get with TG, and with most other legacy carriers, for that matter. IFE is something that lacks in TG though, can really make 4 odd hours very long.

@ameya, any idea how full the flight was? By what i've heard recently, there's been a great response to the 3rd daily BKK service, they've managed to pull in a great amount of tourist traffic + a lot of Gulf Transit traffic!


BOM-BKK : 13/16 and economy 90%
BKK-BOM : SOld out on both classes


Excellent!

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www.business-standard.com/india/news/jet-to-merge-two-low-cost-carriers-/461052/

The fact that 2 LCC's will be merged is catching wind again, this time around a source in Jet confirmed the same to Business Standard.

First of all, JetLite planes/flights will be taken under Jet Konnect.
Than these will be reconfigured to the same 8/162 configuration, as the presence of those additional 8 business class seats really helps give Jet the edge over the likes of 6E and SG.
There won't be any crew cross-overs though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yay! Let's continue the high-cost + lo-fare combination. Not to forget the increasing lo taste ingredients.

A winning combination if ever there were one. The bank manager better brace himself, the money's about to come pouring in like one wouldn't believe.
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Oh yay! Let's continue the high-cost + lo-fare combination. Not to forget the increasing lo taste ingredients.


if there's anyone who thinks that there's place for 650 daily full service flights in the Indian market, he should be living on mars.
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The Full service and LCC line has diminished considerably down the years. Let 9W and even IT get rid of all their hot meals etc and just keep them on routes which actually warrants that. The lines can be defined by airlines, say, hot meals only on flights 2hours and above and deliver those AIX style snack boxes on all other flights. Throw Konnect, Lite and all those brands in the dustbin. Let this side be compensated by a well defined network in India which connects to all international flights, more streamlined experience at airports, reservations etc and all other creative ideas 9W can come up with.

If 9W believes it's capabilities, they have to take this step. IT will soon follow and it will put pressure on 6E.

9W, IT HAVE to lower their operational costs; they do not have an option.
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Absolutely, the biggest need of the hour is to cut costs. As well, to rationalise their network, have at least one functioning and effective hub with actual banks, and resolve the dangerous identity crisis that has led to much of the problems we see today..

But they need to be careful where they make these cuts. Wholesale cutbacks for the most important customer base (top-level elites and premium passengers) is simply suicidal.

Also, really, there's no need to serve any meal of any sort on most domestic flights. A beverage run with wafers / biscuits is plenty. I don't know what the current crew complement is, but eliminating meal service may also help bring down crew costs by reducing staffing per flight to the mandated minimum.

On the other hand, there is plenty of truth in the saying that you need to spend money to make money.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/PressReleases/Jetairways_safety.aspx

Press Statement

January 10, 2012

In light of the media reports Jet Airways and JetLite would like to clarify that as India's leading domestic and international carrier the Jet Airways group complies with all International and national aviation norms. Jet Airways accords the highest priority to the safety of its guests, and all its cockpit and cabin crew alike and the airline takes all the necessary precautions to ensure onboard safety and security at all times.

It is pertinent to note that both Jet Airways and JetLite are certified by IATA’s International Operational Safety Audit (IOSA). This program is an internationally recognized and accepted evaluation system designed to assess the operational management and control systems of an airline. IOSA's quality audit principles are designed to conduct audits in a standardized manner.

With reference to the recently concluded financial audit carried out by the DGCA, both Jet Airways and JetLite have duly submitted 'Action Taken Reports' in line with Industry practice. As such Jet Airways and Jet Lite are in compliance with all regulatory requirements to ensure Safe operation.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jet Airways wrote:
Jet Airways accords the highest priority to the safety of its guests, and all its cockpit and cabin crew alike and the airline takes all the necessary precautions to ensure onboard safety and security at all times.

What complete garbage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jet Airways accords the highest priority to the safety of its guests, and all its cockpit and cabin crew alike and the airline takes all the necessary precautions to ensure onboard safety and security at all times.

What complete garbage.


oh, so now you have a problem with their safety too? How pathetic.

May god bless you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the claim that they always take it seriously? Absolutely.

http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=10692

But daddy says Jet are always beautifully best, so they must be, right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With the claim that they always take it seriously? Absolutely.

http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=10692

But daddy says Jet are always beautifully best, so they must be, right?


Naah.. just belv what a fren of urs had to say.. is he the one from Jhumri Talaiya, who transits through Sahar? Twisted Evil

An airline that has been flying for almost 20 years with no fatal accident (touch wood), you still have problems with their statement on safety. How unbiased Smile
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Jet Airways accords the highest priority to the safety of its guests, and all its cockpit and cabin crew alike and the airline takes all the necessary precautions to ensure onboard safety and security at all times.

What complete garbage.


Why is this complete garbage?

Do you have any evidence that safety isn't a priority at Jet? Not that its any thing to tout, given that safety should be inherent in an airline's charter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Head Naresh Goyal speak to NDTV yesterday for a 30 minute program. Spoke sence, calm, logical, unlike what others in the league and CEOs have spoken during the last few weeks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you have any evidence that safety isn't a priority at Jet? Not that its any thing to tout, given that safety should be inherent in an airline's charter.
  • Flight lands, with cabin appearing as if in mid-flight.
  • People, objects, beverages all go flying.
  • Crew would rather paint nails (so much more fun than securing the cabin and ensuring passenger safety).
  • Note (with pictures) sent to airline.
  • Jet's written response (paraphrasing here): Nothing of the sort happened. Eff off.


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Head Naresh Goyal speak to NDTV yesterday for a 30 minute program. Spoke sence, calm, logical, unlike what others in the league and CEOs have spoken during the last few weeks.

I didn't see that, but good to hear. Calm and logical is exactly the kind of response that is needed. Perhaps he read from a script, which is a good thing, because melodrama and crocodile tears is the last thing needed.
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Jaysit wrote:
Do you have any evidence that safety isn't a priority at Jet? Not that its any thing to tout, given that safety should be inherent in an airline's charter.
  • Flight lands, with cabin appearing as if in mid-flight.
  • People, objects, beverages all go flying.
  • Crew would rather paint nails (so much more fun than securing the cabin and ensuring passenger safety).
  • Note (with pictures) sent to airline.
  • Jet's written response (paraphrasing here): Nothing of the sort happened. Eff off.



And that happens on a regular basis? And even if this is a one-off incident, is there evidence as in a press report or an official complaint? You make it seem like this is a daily occurrence on Jet, and somehow I doubt that very much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Head Naresh Goyal speak to NDTV yesterday for a 30 minute program. Spoke sence, calm, logical, unlike what others in the league and CEOs have spoken during the last few weeks.


There was a show called Tycoons with Vir Sanghvi. On that show, Naresh Goyal (interview was conducted during the recession) was asked that he didn't look as troubled or shaken as others did by whats happening in the industry, to which he responded by saying that "if there are no crises ever, in the way things work then how on earth is your management supposed to learn how to deal with things!"

people might question him from top to bottom, but I like that guys' attitude.
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Jaysit wrote:
jasepl wrote:
Jaysit wrote:
Do you have any evidence that safety isn't a priority at Jet? Not that its any thing to tout, given that safety should be inherent in an airline's charter.
  • Flight lands, with cabin appearing as if in mid-flight.
  • People, objects, beverages all go flying.
  • Crew would rather paint nails (so much more fun than securing the cabin and ensuring passenger safety).
  • Note (with pictures) sent to airline.
  • Jet's written response (paraphrasing here): Nothing of the sort happened. Eff off.



And that happens on a regular basis? And even if this is a one-off incident, is there evidence as in a press report or an official complaint? You make it seem like this is a daily occurrence on Jet, and somehow I doubt that very much.


Welcome to the world of bund-bay!! Laughing

Having flown on a lot of different airlines, from my experience, after SQ, 9W is the most anal about cabin safety.
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Jet airways tweeted this link - Nokia Lumia plane in the making
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And that happens on a regular basis? And even if this is a one-off incident, is there evidence as in a press report or an official complaint? You make it seem like this is a daily occurrence on Jet, and somehow I doubt that very much.

It's basic safety we're talking about, not if the sambar was watery or the fish overcooked or the FA looked anorexic. Even one slip is one too many when it comes to safety.

And yes, there was an official complaint. And yes, there was more than one official response. And yes, the official responses basically did say "Didn't happen... go away".

A lot of it is documented in that link I posted.

You want to see the actual official response?
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Jaysit wrote:
And that happens on a regular basis? And even if this is a one-off incident, is there evidence as in a press report or an official complaint? You make it seem like this is a daily occurrence on Jet, and somehow I doubt that very much.

It's basic safety we're talking about, not if the sambar was watery or the fish overcooked or the FA looked anorexic. Even one slip is one too many when it comes to safety.

And yes, there was an official complaint. And yes, there was more than one official response. And yes, the official responses basically did say "Didn't happen... go away".

A lot of it is documented in that link I posted.

You want to see the actual official response?


Wow, talk abt taking a frens frens experience and passing it as your own facts. Didnt somebody point that out in an earlier post.. oh wait... that was you Wink

Plus that one incident has been tom-tomed as a daily occurrence and you use one wide stroke to paint the entire airline unsafe.Man, you shud be working for TOI Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said already, I was involved in the complaint, in that I actually wrote it myself. Plus I saw the pictures. Not quite "Everyone says, 100%..."


And I did apply to the Trash of India.

They rejected me. Said I wasn't clueless enough and hired a couple of JetChildren instead.
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JetLite has returned a Boeing 737-800, VT-SIK to its lessor and has had it ferried to Brussels.
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Jet Air to sale-and-leaseback of 10 aircraft by March

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http://www.livemint.com/2012/01/23152327/JetLite-to-be-rebranded-as-Jet.html

JetLite to be rebranded as Jet Airways Konnect by March-end

Jet Airways (India) Ltd, the country’s largest airline by passengers, will complete rebranding its low-fare carrier JetLite (India) Ltd as Jet Airways Konnect by end of March.

Jet Airways bought Sahara Airlines in April 2007 and renamed it JetLite.
The process of branding JetLite as Jet Airways Konnect will be complete by end of this quarter and the company will then focus more on its low-fare unit, K.G. Vishwanath, vice president, commercial strategy and investor relations, Jet Airways, said on Monday.

“The brand value of Jet Airways Konnect will be more after branding and we will be able to charge more,” he said.

Mint first reported on this development on 28 October 2010.

JetLite will remain a legal entity, a shell company that will continue to own the planes that will be operated under Jet Airways Konnect.

Jet Airways will continue to offer full services—first, business and economy classes—while Jet Airways Konnect will provide all-economy, budget services.

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More branding? I wonder what they will come up with next?

They've got the website, boarding pass, tray table, crockery, bulkhead and fuselage covered. Anything else I missed?

Facepainting passengers with "Growth is Life" and "Nirodh Vaapra" can't be far away.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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More branding? I wonder what they will come up with next?

They've got the website, boarding pass, tray table, crockery, bulkhead and fuselage covered. Anything else I missed?

Facepainting passengers with "Growth is Life" and "Nirodh Vaapra" can't be far away.


How about showing product adverts on the IFE (if they don't do that already), or attaching an ad banner to the tail of the airplane, so it flutters behind as the plane flies?

Painting ads on the underside of the wings can also be a good idea Razz

Hope Ryanair's reading this Wink
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I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jasepl wrote:
More branding? I wonder what they will come up with next?

They've got the website, boarding pass, tray table, crockery, bulkhead and fuselage covered. Anything else I missed?

Facepainting passengers with "Growth is Life" and "Nirodh Vaapra" can't be far away.


How about showing product adverts on the IFE (if they don't do that already), or attaching an ad banner to the tail of the airplane, so it flutters behind as the plane flies?

Painting ads on the underside of the wings can also be a good idea Razz

Hope Ryanair's reading this Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about pilot announcing ?

Good morning ladies and gentlemen, I am able to fly this plane only because i used abc shaving gel
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jaysit wrote:
And that happens on a regular basis? And even if this is a one-off incident, is there evidence as in a press report or an official complaint? You make it seem like this is a daily occurrence on Jet, and somehow I doubt that very much.


It's basic safety we're talking about, not if the sambar was watery or the fish overcooked or the FA looked anorexic. Even one slip is one too many when it comes to safety.


Yes, even one slip is too many, but as far as slips go, this is fairly minor (especially if the airline ensures that it doesn't happen again).

Besides, its a piffle when compared to even the great Singapore Airlines which took a perfectly good Boeing 744 and took it careening head first into construction equipment on a Taipei runway in 2000. Or Delta, which took a CRJ onto a taxiway instead of a runway and crashed it into a clump of trees.

So far (fingers crossed), Jet has been accident free in its 18 years of operations. That speaks more for its safety record than the fact that on one flight, a bunch of lazy FAs sat in the galley reading Stardust instead of collecting Limca cans.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9W did break an ATR at IDR. One of the MLGs smashed through the boundary wall.

Could someone shed some light on the circumstances?
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