Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Jet Airways News -- Part 12 Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:54 pm    Post subject: Jet Airways News -- Part 12 Almost done with Part 11, so starting on Part 12. - 9W's AUH-JFK flight shows 3-3-3 in Y, not 3-4-3, as believed earlier, so apart the early morning arrival into JFK this very flight has another slight advantage over EYs own JFK flight, that flight, however will get an A380 sooner or later. - As reported earlier, EY has started code-sharing 9Ws BRU-YYZ run, so as expected, on the days they don't fly their own metal to YYZ, flights are being routed via BRU so, BKK/KUL/SIN-AUH-YYZ-BRU-AUH-BKK/KUL/SIN type routings aren't uncommon. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 12 me111993 wrote: Almost done with Part 11, so starting on Part 12. Another part, another failure. Jetuna Matata! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Jet Airways News -- Part 12 jasepl wrote: me111993 wrote: Almost done with Part 11, so starting on Part 12. Another part, another failure. Jetuna Matata! hopefully Part 12 will bring better luck. 11 was terrible. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject: Hopefully. But like I say with Fibga, fingers crossed, breath not held. Q3 resluts (typo intentional) coming up. In the meantime: Another part, another fail But it's always true: Jet Airways, Jet Airways Fail, fail you _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:34 pm    Post subject: Let's hope Part 12 brings more clarify on 9W's long haul hub structure and connectivity. Can't wait for 9W to provide one-stop between most of India and most of Europe/ North America/ South America and Africa! _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:53 pm    Post subject: By the way, whatever happened to Gary? Why was he booted all of a sudden? I suspect it's because he had the gall to say Paris with that configuration and at those timings was a bad idea. Or that he had the temerity to suggest that the JetFolk need to put their heads down and do some honest work to weather their crisis. But who knows. Nimish wrote: Let's hope Part 12 brings more clarify on 9W's long haul hub structure and connectivity. Can't wait for 9W to provide one-stop between most of India and most of Europe/ North America/ South America and Africa! +1 But that's not going far enough. Why not non-stop flights between some of India (or at least one) and some of Europe / Americas / Africa? Just like AI and BA and KQ and UA and MS and LX do? _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top d3vski Member Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 440 Location: In the First Class lounge..... Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: Ooh, the excitement over one stop flights to Europe/America/Africa......hahaha! Biggest joke!!! They could have had non-stop to most places if continued to build up BOM or DEL....but wait, we Indians love travelling at stupid o clock timings and strange routings so that we can stretch our legs!!! Well done Jet, you will have the Indian market sewn up!! Give yourself a pat on the back!!! Me, I will stick to non stop direct flights thank you very much!!! Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:03 pm    Post subject: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:56 pm    Post subject: avbuff wrote: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 Any idea where this flights continues onward to? Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11353 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:24 pm    Post subject: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/jet-air-may-buy-50-boeing-planes-for-2-5-billion-btvi-says.html Jet Air May Buy 50 Boeing Planes for $2.5 Billion, BTVI Says Jan 21, 2014 Jet Airways, the nation’s second-largest airline by market share, may place an order for 50 Boeing aircraft worth $2.5 billion, Bloomberg TV India reported, citing people it didn’t identify. Jet, India’s biggest publicly traded carrier, may order 737 single-aisle planes, which will be used for local expansion, Bloomberg TV said in its report. Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject: justbala wrote: avbuff wrote: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 Any idea where this flights continues onward to? For a while, I guess it will remain in Abu Dhabi until 9W announces Chicago... I'm waiting for 9W to upgauge 9W584/583 and 9W582/581 from 737-800 to 777-300ER _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:22 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: justbala wrote: avbuff wrote: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 Any idea where this flights continues onward to? For a while, I guess it will remain in Abu Dhabi until 9W announces Chicago... I'm waiting for 9W to upgauge 9W584/583 and 9W582/581 from 737-800 to 777-300ER 9W 586 and 582 are ear-marked for the 77W. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:47 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Jet Air May Buy 50 Boeing Planes for $2.5 Billion, BTVI Says At least there's some sense in this order.... All they need are 737s to fly 99.9% of their flights. Now they can carpet-bomb every airstrip in India with flights to Abu Dhabi. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: 747-237 wrote: Jet Air May Buy 50 Boeing Planes for $2.5 Billion, BTVI Says At least there's some sense in this order.... All they need are 737s to fly 99.9% of their flights. Now they can carpet-bomb every airstrip in India with flights to Abu Dhabi. tell you what, with CDG/ORD/JFK, retention of BRU, we can pretty much dump the "regional feeder only" tag. think about it. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:59 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: tell you what, with CDG/ORD/JFK, retention of BRU, we can pretty much dump the "regional feeder only" tag. I can understand 9W operating any number of non-stops like BOM-CDG. But I don't understand why 9W needs 2 hubs for one-stop flights - one in AUH, and another in BRU. Why not consolidate all one-stop ops via AUH and drop BRU altogether (or retain a non-stop BOM-BRU terminator). _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:14 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: me111993 wrote: tell you what, with CDG/ORD/JFK, retention of BRU, we can pretty much dump the "regional feeder only" tag. I can understand 9W operating any number of non-stops like BOM-CDG. But I don't understand why 9W needs 2 hubs for one-stop flights - one in AUH, and another in BRU. Why not consolidate all one-stop ops via AUH and drop BRU altogether (or retain a non-stop BOM-BRU terminator). BRU is there for YYZ, you can't fly to Canada via the Gulf. Infact I was very surprised to see EY is codesharing on 9Ws YYZ-BRU flight, I thought even that would cause problems. We'll see a decision on EWR, sooner or later. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top abhigopal Member Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 172 Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: So had an encounter with the JetChild Wrote to them on 15th regarding an issue in my JP account w.r.t credit of miles etc.. Clearly explaining what i wanted, including a table showing them what exactly to do. Got an automated reply saying please give us 3 days. Jan 18 - nothing. then on Jan 21, got the same automated reply again saying give us 3 days. Jan 23 - (today) - got a reply from someone who has failed to even understand my problem, but deducted more miles from my account *facepalm* will need to call them tomorrow and yell, since they work till 6 Pm only according to their website. Absolute dolts! Back to top 15a Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 271 Location: Bangalore Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:03 am    Post subject: avbuff wrote: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 And from the same data AUH-HYD 9W 550 HYD 2025 AUH 2310 9W 549 AUH 1045 HYD 1610 B738 Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:30 pm    Post subject: 15a wrote: avbuff wrote: Effective 01MAR 9W announces daily BLR AUH 9W 504 BLR AUH 2030 2330 9W 503 AUH BLR 1030 1620 Daily B737-800 And from the same data AUH-HYD 9W 550 HYD 2025 AUH 2310 9W 549 AUH 1045 HYD 1610 B738 I'm expecting this to continue to JED, keeping in line with Gulf terminators. Speaking of which, 9W has already placed code share on EY's second daily flight to BOM/DEL , but I wonder what's keeping them from code sharing EY's AMD/BLR/JAI flights? Similarly why hasn't EY placed codes hare on existing 9W576/575 and 9W526/525? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject: 9W550/549. The HYD DXB flight numbers now for HYD - AUH. Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:47 pm    Post subject: avbuff wrote: 9W550/549. The HYD DXB flight numbers now for HYD - AUH. Ah, the irony! _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: I'm expecting this to continue to JED, keeping in line with Gulf terminators. See the schedules and how it all lines up... these aren't Gulf terminators anymore. What's becoming clear from these flights is that they're AUH-based aircraft/routes/airline. It's basically a series of AUH-XXX-AUH turns, with the XXX being any of a number of spokes in India or the Middle East. Most of the the planes overnight at home (in Dhabi), fly to wherever and after a relatively short (for Jet anyway) turn at the spoke return home. Average turnaround time at the spokes (BLR, HYD, KWI etc etc) is 4 hours. Average time at home between flights 10 hours. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:40 pm    Post subject: I suspect a lot of flights will be based in AUH. For Example, BLR - AUH - ORD; BLR AUH leg would be a 737 and AUH ORD on a B77W. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:46 pm    Post subject: avbuff wrote: I suspect a lot of flights will be based in AUH. For Example, BLR - AUH - ORD; BLR AUH leg would be a 737 and AUH ORD on a B77W. Basically two independent flights. And I still have my doubts about JFK ORD etc being Jet for Jet flights (unlike LHR or CDG). I'd love to be wrong, but let's see. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:51 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: avbuff wrote: I suspect a lot of flights will be based in AUH. For Example, BLR - AUH - ORD; BLR AUH leg would be a 737 and AUH ORD on a B77W. Basically two independent flights. And I still have my doubts about JFK ORD etc being Jet for Jet flights (unlike LHR or CDG). I'd love to be wrong, but let's see. That is happening actually, I can almost confirm it. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:52 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: avbuff wrote: I suspect a lot of flights will be based in AUH. For Example, BLR - AUH - ORD; BLR AUH leg would be a 737 and AUH ORD on a B77W. Basically two independent flights. And I still have my doubts about JFK ORD etc being Jet for Jet flights (unlike LHR or CDG). I'd love to be wrong, but let's see. AFAIK, They're working out logistics in DEL, apparently AI-GMR aren't being the best of hosts, or something along those lines. whats also possible is that they're waiting for the final report of the FAA because the whole downgrade scenario comes into play. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:02 am    Post subject: Ah okay. Be nice for Jet if that's how it turns out. But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:09 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: Ah okay. Be nice for Jet if that's how it turns out. But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? what makes you think EY is a great performer at JFK? At best, they too pack back-packers from the Indian-SubC, could obviously not afford another daily without another doze of Indian traffic. They way to make a mark on high volume markets is through frequencies, and an 8 am arrival / ~~ 2100 hrs departure is pretty sufficient. Same thing with ORD. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:12 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: Ah okay. Be nice for Jet if that's how it turns out. But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? EY gets to go double daily to JFK. Besides Jet's profit or loss is now for EY. So if Jet Loses, EY does and Jet does happen to make money, the profit goes to EY. So really doesn't matter. It's just Etihad Airways operating a flight using Jet planes. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:13 am    Post subject: I don't see the connection between my question and Etihad's performance in New York. And the feed from India too has no connection with the behind-the-scenes operational/financial decisions EY make. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:16 am    Post subject: This is what you asked right? Quote: But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? ""EY gets to go double daily to JFK. "" I just assumed this was understood. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:19 am    Post subject: me111993 wrote: This is what you asked right? Quote: But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? ""EY gets to go double daily to JFK. "" I just assumed this was understood. I wondered about EY allowing it to be a Jet-Jet flight (like LHR, CDG) instead of making it a Jet for EY flight (wet lease / dry lease / whatever). _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:26 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: me111993 wrote: This is what you asked right? Quote: But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? ""EY gets to go double daily to JFK. "" I just assumed this was understood. I wondered about EY allowing it to be a Jet-Jet flight (like LHR, CDG) instead of making it a Jet for EY flight (wet lease / dry lease / whatever). oh yes, but you see , Jet has proven that a Jet Jet flight to JFK wasn't the best of ideas. Plus, as it is, if we dig a little bit into ops, 9Ws 77Ws cannot make it into JFK from BOM nonstop without taking a hit on their payload, and more importantly, ATF in AUH, without discounts is ~~ Rs 51K per Ton, BOM is Rs 73K per ton. That. Makes all the difference in the world. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:05 am    Post subject: Oh dear Lord! My question had almost nothing to do with your precious Failga or their delicate 777s. I wonder why EY would be willing to let 9W operate it as a 9W route and earn only 24% + codeshare revenue, when they can earn 100% (less proportional costs in both instances). I would ask a similar question if it were a similar minority-ownership-but-total-control relationship between another pair of airlines. Take off the blue and yellow glasses and read again please (As to why JetFail still have a First product that's become more of a burden than a blessing is a whole other matter) _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:51 am    Post subject: me111993 wrote: jasepl wrote: me111993 wrote: This is what you asked right? Quote: But what incentive would EY have to allow it? Especially through their home base? ""EY gets to go double daily to JFK. "" I just assumed this was understood. I wondered about EY allowing it to be a Jet-Jet flight (like LHR, CDG) instead of making it a Jet for EY flight (wet lease / dry lease / whatever). oh yes, but you see , Jet has proven that a Jet Jet flight to JFK wasn't the best of ideas. Plus, as it is, if we dig a little bit into ops, 9Ws 77Ws cannot make it into JFK from BOM nonstop without taking a hit on their payload, and more importantly, ATF in AUH, without discounts is ~~ Rs 51K per Ton, BOM is Rs 73K per ton. That. Makes all the difference in the world. Why do u even bother responding to these rants?! Your answers are never going to satisfy the Aunty from Bundbay. She is going to whine and bitch no matter what. Of course when her white "massa" do the same out of AMS and CDG it is a brilliant strategy, the rest - "how dare they!!" Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: Oh dear Lord! My question had almost nothing to do with your precious Failga or their delicate 777s. I wonder why EY would be willing to let 9W operate it as a 9W route and earn only 24% + codeshare revenue, when they can earn 100% (less proportional costs in both instances). I would ask a similar question if it were a similar minority-ownership-but-total-control relationship between another pair of airlines. Take off the blue and yellow glasses and read again please this is interesting. Its a simple case of putting 1 and 1 together, either you're incapable of the same, which i somehow doubt or you don't wanna see logic, which I somehow expect, or or or, i'm on plane x and you're on plane c, again something I expect, given we never have common ground. as written earlier -- Quote: what makes you think EY is a great performer at JFK? ]At best, they too pack back-packers from the Indian-SubC, could obviously not afford another daily without another doze of Indian traffic. &&& Quote: "EY gets to go double daily to JFK. Quote: I would ask a similar question if it were a similar minority-ownership-but-total-control relationship between another pair of airlines. despite what seems to be the general thought, [b]it is not a total control stake EY has. 9W has solid leverage on their end as well. Quote: Why do u even bother responding to these rants?! its a slow sunday. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:14 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: ...apparently AI-GMR aren't being the best of hosts, or something along those lines Rishul, AI has a history of the dog-in-the-manger attitude and would not want competition for obvious reasons, but why GMR? They have nothing to lose as long as they get the moolah. I guess I am missing something here. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: me111993 wrote: ...apparently AI-GMR aren't being the best of hosts, or something along those lines Rishul, AI has a history of the dog-in-the-manger attitude and would not want competition for obvious reasons, but why GMR? They have nothing to lose as long as they get the moolah. I guess I am missing something here. Cheers, Sumantra. yeah, true, but AI rules in Dilli, right. Honestly, I don't know that well, this info is obviously unsubstantiated and partial knowledge is worse than no knowledge. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:36 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: Oh dear Lord! My question had almost nothing to do with your precious Failga or their delicate 777s. I wonder why EY would be willing to let 9W operate it as a 9W route and earn only 24% + codeshare revenue, when they can earn 100% (less proportional costs in both instances). I would ask a similar question if it were a similar minority-ownership-but-total-control relationship between another pair of airlines. Take off the blue and yellow glasses and read again please (As to why JetFail still have a First product that's become more of a burden than a blessing is a whole other matter) Do note, EY is short of ULH planes for the expansion. With 9W deal they get AI B777LRs and kaboom ... LAX, DFW announced along with a second daily JFK and soon second daily ORD. Even if that means in 9W aircraft operating, but that is as good as EY operating. EY has to catch up to Emirates and Qatar in terms of their network and buying airlines left, right and centre seems to be their strategy. EY is more interested in market presence, even if that means someone else operating on their behalf. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: ... It seems it's impossible to remove the blue and yellow lenses. Have they been permanently implanted? avbuff wrote: Do note, EY is short of ULH planes for the expansion. With 9W deal they get AI B777LRs and kaboom ... LAX, DFW announced along with a second daily JFK and soon second daily ORD. Even if that means in 9W aircraft operating, but that is as good as EY operating. EY has to catch up to Emirates and Qatar in terms of their network and buying airlines left, right and centre seems to be their strategy. EY is more interested in market presence, even if that means someone else operating on their behalf. Oh I more or less agree with that, and most of what me111193 is saying in regards to this JFK dealie. I'm just trying to understand the rationale behind: - 9W operated by and for 9W on 9W aircraft (with an EY code plonked on it) - EY operated by 9W on 9W aircraft (with a 9W code plonked on it) _________________ four years free of jetya punti! 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