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| avbuff wrote: | So as predicted and not to everyone's surprise, here is an article illustrating what I had foreseen when the deal was announced.
Lalaji is left powerless with nothing much he can do. Make f**k all policies of 5 yr / 20 ac international or putting multiple spanners in AIs way to Star. In this all time low of Indian aviation, a good percentage of blame goes to Lala as well.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/markets/has-etihad-tightened-its-grip-over-jet-airways-114032800128_1.html
Etihad is running the airline, who have absolutely no interest in Jet's domestic network beyond their feed to AUH and online Indian points of EY.
Jet Airways is just a name, it is actually Etihad Airways - India which is operating side by side in India. |
Yep - I'm pretty sure everyone knew that from the beginning, even the folks in denial about their Pet Airways' tragicomic decline into insignificance.
The sheiks bought Jet to fly the Dhabi Shuttle. JetGrist for the Etti Mill. That's it.
As for Lalaji, I suspect it's all part of his plan. The end results include more money for him personally and even more possibilities of flying Emirates.
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| jasepl wrote: | | avbuff wrote: |
Etihad is running the airline, who have absolutely no interest in Jet's domestic network beyond their feed to AUH and online Indian points of EY.
Jet Airways is just a name, it is actually Etihad Airways - India which is operating side by side in India. |
The sheiks bought Jet to fly the Dhabi Shuttle. JetGrist for the Etti Mill. That's it.
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If doing the Dhabi shuttles keeps 9W running, and more importantly, their cash registers ringing, so be it.
At the end of the day, they are a company like every other , and need to make money. If they can do that by doing nothing other than feeding Etti's network from the India end, it is good for them. Beats keeping planes on the ground any day.
Maybe we should all be thankful that Etti is actually helping Indian aviation by keeping an Indian operator relevant in some way.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Making money?
Only Etihad will make money, if any, in the grand scheme of things. For Jet is just means of staying alive. |
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| The_Goat wrote: |
If doing the Dhabi shuttles keeps 9W running, and more importantly, their cash registers ringing, so be it.
At the end of the day, they are a company like every other , and need to make money. If they can do that by doing nothing other than feeding Etti's network from the India end, it is good for them. Beats keeping planes on the ground any day. |
Oh I agree. As a business, there's no shame in doing whatever is necessary to keep your head above water. Shareholders and employees are owed that much at the very least.
But juxtapose this reality with the continued (delusional) declarations of JetGreatness and the whole thing is tragicomic.
I don't agree with your last bit though; we owe Etihad nothing for the Jet deal (though I'm happy to thank them for getting AI's 77Ls off of our wallets).
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Speaking of Jet's codeshares, what's their rationale behind the destinations they choose?
With AF and SN, they codeshare to some out-of-the-way places (for the Indian traveller) like Toulouse and Hamburg. But so many of the big draws are left out, such as Rome / Failano / Zurich / Amsterdam / Dusseldorf etc.
With United (which is a complete JetFail of a relationship, but never mind that) they codeshare to such great cities like Charleston / Kansas / Oklahoma / St Louis etc. But have nothing to places like Atlanta / Boston / Dallas / Houston / Miami / Fail York / Philadelphia etc. And not a single codeshare out of UA's Newark hub, which is the only place Jet actually fly to.
Is it:
a. JetLogic
b. "No Need"
c. AF/UA etc said they they're already carrying decent traffic between India and these left out places and aren't willing to share?
d. Something else. If so, what?
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| jasepl wrote: | | a. JetLogic |
Definitely this!
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| jasepl wrote: | c. AF/UA etc said they they're already carrying decent traffic between India and these left out places and aren't willing to share?
d. Something else. If so, what? |
Does AF have a code share on the flight on 9W's aircraft. If AF screws up at CDG, atleast they can put their passengers on 9W. |
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| Nimish wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | | a. JetLogic |
Definitely this! |
That's the only explanation I could come up with. It could be Etti, but that doesn't explain the time gone by and certainly doesn't explain Atlanta / Houston / Miami etc.
| iah87 wrote: | | Does AF have a code share on the flight on 9W's aircraft. If AF screws up at CDG, atleast they can put their passengers on 9W. |
Hahah! Replace the "if" with "when" !
And I don't think they have said they will codeshare on 9W's CDG-BOM flight yet, but I expect it will happen (they already do have AF codes on a bunch of domestic Jet flights).
But the codeshare doesn't automatically mean AF will re-book passengers on that flight. They could do it without the codeshare or on another airline if they wanted.
Besides, with the seamless 22-hour connections to Dhaka and Kathmandu, there's not going to be any room on the Jet flight, even if AF were inclined.
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Am I the only one to see that after a certain point of time, AF may relinquish CDG-BOM to 9W, or am I being a little stupid here?
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| abhijith16 wrote: | | Am I the only one to see that after a certain point of time, AF may relinquish CDG-BOM to 9W, or am I being a little stupid here? |
Well, first there'd have to be a JV for AF to want to relinquish - and Jet turned down that offer a couple of times already.
Even if there were a JV, I can see KL pulling out of India to make way for Jet to AMS, or even one of AF-DL-KL dropping a Europe-America segment, before dropping Paris-India.
Of course, there's every possibility of BOM-CDG becoming BOM-AUH-CDG, which will make it all moot.
But, honestly, I think there's room for two carriers on this route, if they work out the beyond BOM and beyond CDG bits properly.
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| jasepl wrote: | | abhijith16 wrote: | | Am I the only one to see that after a certain point of time, AF may relinquish CDG-BOM to 9W, or am I being a little stupid here? |
Well, first there'd have to be a JV for AF to want to relinquish - and Jet turned down that offer a couple of times already.
Even if there were a JV, I can see KL pulling out of India to make way for Jet to AMS, or even one of AF-DL-KL dropping a Europe-America segment, before dropping Paris-India.
Of course, there's every possibility of BOM-CDG becoming BOM-AUH-CDG, which will make it all moot.
But, honestly, I think there's room for two carriers on this route, if they work out the beyond BOM and beyond CDG bits properly. |
While everyone here holds that Etti will make everything XXX-YYY into XXX-AUH-YYY, I'm still giving them benefit of doubt.
I guess more AF codeshares will open up gradually.
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9W's groundside handling has gone to the dogs. My sister traveled from Singapore to India and paid for child assistance which was available from the Singapore -india-Singapore itinerary.
Her return routing was PnQ-Del-Sin.
When she landed at DEL, the ground handlers refused to acknowledge the booking of the service and she refused to disembark without one. Eventually the captain of the plane had to intervene and said that he had personally sent out the message for the same. Now the ground handling staff and the captain got into arguments over this issue while my sister and her infant were left helpless, watching. And now I learnt that when the DEL - SIN flight landed at SIN, again there was no response from child assistance inspite of advance notification.
This is just too much. WTF are Jet Airways up to these days ?? I have asked her to send a stinger of an email to Jet Airways on this issue. She's a lawyer- she knows how to handle it. |
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Jet Airways promoter's wife re-designated advisor to the CEO
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27-Mar-2014 11:10 AM
Jet Airways promoter Naresh Goyal’s wife, Anita Goyal, was reportedly re-designated advisor to the CEO while group executive officer Abdulrahman Albusaidy, responsible for Gulf markets, was appointed chief strategic planning officer and given wider powers (Business Standard, 26-Mar-2014). Anita Goyal might also join the airline’s board, which would be re-constituted. The board has two members from Etihad: CEO James Hogan and CFO James Rigney. |
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| sri_bom wrote: | Jet Airways promoter's wife re-designated advisor to the CEO
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27-Mar-2014 11:10 AM
Jet Airways promoter Naresh Goyal’s wife, Anita Goyal, was reportedly re-designated advisor to the CEO while group executive officer Abdulrahman Albusaidy, responsible for Gulf markets, was appointed chief strategic planning officer and given wider powers (Business Standard, 26-Mar-2014). Anita Goyal might also join the airline’s board, which would be re-constituted. The board has two members from Etihad: CEO James Hogan and CFO James Rigney. |
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| sri_bom wrote: | Jet Airways promoter's wife re-designated advisor to the CEO
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Jet Airways promoter Naresh Goyal’s wife, Anita Goyal, was reportedly re-designated advisor to the CEO while group executive officer Abdulrahman Albusaidy, responsible for Gulf markets, was appointed chief strategic planning officer and given wider powers (Business Standard, 26-Mar-2014). Anita Goyal might also join the airline’s board, which would be re-constituted. The board has two members from Etihad: CEO James Hogan and CFO James Rigney. |
I thought that EY was opposed to Anita? What happened now?
Some kissy-kissy patch up?
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| The_Goat wrote: | | I thought that EY was opposed to Anita? What happened now? |
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http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShow.php?fileR=20140401163412102&dir=2014/04/01
Jet Airways expands its code share partnership with Air France
01-APR-14
Jet Airways, India's premier international airline, and Air France, the flag carrier of France announce the expansion of their code share partnership, which will offer guests enhanced network connectivity to 12 major cities across Europe and the United Kingdom. The new code share flights open for sale from April 2, and will be available for travel effective May 14, 2014.
With the commencement of Jet Airways' Mumbai-Paris operations on the May 14, 2014, Jet Airways will now be placing its marketing code on Air France operated flights beyond Paris, providing seamless connections across domestic France, Europe and the United Kingdom.
With this expansion in the code share arrangement, Jet Airways' guests will be able to fly between India and Paris in France and beyond to various points across India and Europe on flights operated by both carriers.
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Star Alliance not interested in Jet Airways as member, not in discussion with IndiGo at formal level
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Star Alliance VP corporate Christian Klick said the alliance is not interested in Jet Airways as a future alliance member, stating that after the Etihad Airways-Jet Airways deal, "let me say that doors are shut for Jet" (Business Today, 27-Mar-2014). Mr Klick added: "India is a huge market and there will be need for additional services and we will need further partners in India," indicating the alliance's willingness for a second member airline in India. On potential interest in IndiGo, he said: "Star Alliance management will look at all possibilities and we are not yet disclosing anything. And we are not in discussion (with IndiGo) at a formal level". |
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Jet Airways expands its code share partnership with Air France |
Jet Airways and AIRFRANCE from 14MAY14 will convert codeshare partnership from unilateral to bilateral, as 9W-coded flight numbers being placed on selected AIRFRANCE European service. Planned codeshare routes as follow.
Paris CDG – Barcelona
Paris CDG – Birmingham
Paris CDG – Dublin
Paris CDG – Hamburg
Paris CDG – Lyon
Paris CDG – Madrid
Paris CDG – Manchester
Paris CDG – Marseille
Paris CDG – Newcastle
Paris CDG – Nice
Paris CDG – Prague
Paris CDG – Toulouse
Source: Airlineroute.net
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Jet Airways have withdrawn a 737-800 from the JetKonnect fleet. VT-SJH previously served as a JetLite aircraft, and was an original Air Sahara bird.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Jet Airways have withdrawn a 737-800 from the JetKonnect fleet. VT-SJH previously served as a JetLite aircraft, and was an original Air Sahara bird. |
...while the ex VT-SJG joined Jeju Air just yesterday.
Does this mean that we'll also see VT-SJI/J being withdrawn in the near future? |
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"Jetupdate" email :
Important update regarding check-in counter closure timings.
We bring an important update to make your next travel more convenient.
Effective April 14, 2014, check-in counters at airports across the country will close 45 minutes prior flight departure. This will ensure timely flight departures and arrivals. Hence, do make sure you arrive at the airport well in advance to complete the check-in process before counter closure.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Effective April 14, 2014, check-in counters at airports across the country will close 45 minutes prior flight departure |
^^ What's new here? Wasn't it always 45 minutes prior departure?
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| Nimish wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | Effective April 14, 2014, check-in counters at airports across the country will close 45 minutes prior flight departure |
^^ What's new here? Wasn't it always 45 minutes prior departure? |
Earlier it was limited to metros, now this has been extended to all cities.
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| sri_bom wrote: | Jet Airways promoter's wife re-designated advisor to the CEO
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Jet Airways promoter Naresh Goyal’s wife, Anita Goyal, was reportedly re-designated advisor to the CEO while group executive officer Abdulrahman Albusaidy, responsible for Gulf markets, was appointed chief strategic planning officer and given wider powers (Business Standard, 26-Mar-2014). Anita Goyal might also join the airline’s board, which would be re-constituted. The board has two members from Etihad: CEO James Hogan and CFO James Rigney. |
Well, SOMEONE has to be able to say "India's Premier airline" with a straight face.
Obviously, no one on the Etihad board can, so they hired Anita to spout the banalities she's so good at spouting. |
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| abhijith16 wrote: | | Earlier it was limited to metros, now this has been extended to all cities. |
Thanks for that clarification - I had (mistakenly) assumed it was always for all cities....
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| 747-237 wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | Jet Airways expands its code share partnership with Air France |
Jet Airways and AIRFRANCE from 14MAY14 will convert codeshare partnership from unilateral to bilateral, as 9W-coded flight numbers being placed on selected AIRFRANCE European service. Planned codeshare routes as follow.
Paris CDG – Barcelona
Paris CDG – Birmingham
Paris CDG – Dublin
Paris CDG – Hamburg
Paris CDG – Lyon
Paris CDG – Madrid
Paris CDG – Manchester
Paris CDG – Marseille
Paris CDG – Newcastle
Paris CDG – Nice
Paris CDG – Prague
Paris CDG – Toulouse
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With the exception of Marseille and Toulouse, all those destinations can be reached with just one stop from multiple points in India with EK.
What exactly is Jet trying to achieve with code-sharing to these places?
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| Quote: | With the exception of Marseille and Toulouse, all those destinations can be reached with just one stop from multiple points in India with EK.
What exactly is Jet trying to achieve with code-sharing to these places? |
I guess 9W is offering a similar deal i.e. 'guests' (shoot me if you will but i shall never consider myself a 'guest' of any airline.. I was, am and always will be a passenger and don't mind being called a passenger one bit) can reach these destinations using the seamless connection facilities in both BOM and CDG. I believe they are banking on the fact that eventually all domestic flights will move to the new terminal 2 at BOM (correct me if i am wrong) by early next year thus taking away the inter-terminal transfer nightmare currently faced.. |
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| The_Goat wrote: |
With the exception of Marseille and Toulouse, all those destinations can be reached with just one stop from multiple points in India with EK.
What exactly is Jet trying to achieve with code-sharing to these places? |
Well quite simple - if somone wishes to fly say BHX-BOM he/she has one more one-stop option now. Simple.
Going by your logic all codeshares would be futile, wouldnt they? |
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| luvleen wrote: | | [. I believe they are banking on the fact that eventually all domestic flights will move to the new terminal 2 at BOM (correct me if i am wrong) by early next year thus taking away the inter-terminal transfer nightmare currently faced.. |
If this happens I believe that it will boost Jet's loads and yields. The biggest hassle for many Indians (and for foreigners as well) was the transfer in BOM. If Jet can eliminate it, they can count on many passengers (provided the fares are still reasonable and competitive). |
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Just today I saw posts on my Facebook feed about folks asking for connections from India to the US without having to transit through any Indian airport (it was IXM-RDU in this case)! This is where 9W should score big time if it really becomes an effective feeder to EY and AUH - at least we can get to anywhere in the world from anywhere in India without having to be shuttled through an AAI designed nightmare.
The new airport at DEL and now BOM are steps in the right direction, but they're too little too late IMO.
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| justbala wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: |
With the exception of Marseille and Toulouse, all those destinations can be reached with just one stop from multiple points in India with EK.
What exactly is Jet trying to achieve with code-sharing to these places? |
Well quite simple - if somone wishes to fly say BHX-BOM he/she has one more one-stop option now. Simple.
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I wasn't really thinking about BOM, from where zillions of one-stop options already exist.
It was more about the other places in India. A person travelling from HYD to BHX can do so with one stop on EK/QR, but with 9W there would still be two stops required.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | It was more about the other places in India. A person travelling from HYD to BHX can do so with one stop on EK/QR, but with 9W there would still be two stops required. |
But from HYD - 9W would send them via AUH no?
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| sri_bom wrote: | | Jet Airways promoter's wife re-designated advisor to the CEO |
Haha! Maybe they decided to bring her back to finish the job she had started oh so well.
| The_Goat wrote: | With the exception of Marseille and Toulouse, all those destinations can be reached with just one stop from multiple points in India with EK.
What exactly is Jet trying to achieve with code-sharing to these places? |
Who knows? I doubt even Jet do.
That said, I see absolutely nothing wrong with these codeshares. There's no harm in codesharing to any destination, regardless of the actual demand (there is the matter of the cost of a listing, but those costs don't matter to La Pute; only things negatively affecting the passenger experience are subject to cost control).
Besides, some of them are so JetDelightful, they will make your head spin:
KTM-BOM + 22 hours timepass + BOM-CDG + 22 hours timepass + CDG-PRG
The bigger story is the places that they have prioritised for codeshares over others. As I said:
With AF and SN, they codeshare to some out-of-the-way places (for the Indian traveller) like Toulouse and Hamburg. But so many of the big draws are left out, such as Rome / Failano / Zurich / Amsterdam / Dusseldorf etc.
With United (which is a complete JetFail of a relationship, but never mind that) they codeshare to such great cities like Charleston / Kansas / Oklahoma / St Louis etc. But have nothing to places like Atlanta / Boston / Dallas / Houston / Miami / Fail York / Philadelphia etc. And not a single codeshare out of UA's Newark hub, which is the only place Jet actually fly to.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:08 pm Post subject: 9W domestic changes from 21st April |
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The big change is the end of the Central India milk runs.
There were 2 ATR aircraft doing AMD-BHO-RPR-BHO-AMD-JAI-IXC-JAI-AMD and AMD-IDR-PNQ-IDR-JAI-IDR-PNQ-IDR-AMD
Both these aircraft and their routes are gone.
1 ATR moves to HYD to do HYD-PNQ-IDR-PNQ-HYD-PNQ-IDR-PNQ-HYD
1 ATR moves to CCU and does 3 daily CCU-GAU
PNQ-HYD moves to 3 daily ATR
PNQ IDR stays at 2 daily
CCU-GAU moves to 3 daily ATR+1 daily 737 from 3 daily 737
CCU-IXA gets an additional flight to 2 daily 737
CCU-PAT gets an additional ATR service to go 2 daily
Further MAA-PNQ-MAA is also gone from the same day. Aircraft appears to be deployed to do an additional MAA-HYD-MAA rotation in the morning.
DEL PNQ remains 3 daily and all 3 flights appear to be turnaround flights from DEL (the earlier rotation I think was MAA-PNQ-DEL and vv) |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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so they're really pulling off a lot from AMD. 
thanks a lot for the update.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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So Mumbai Indians have ditched AI for 9W (and EY), it seems.
Fittingly, MI's IPL season kicks off at Abu Dhabi.
Just for the record, AI sponsor Delhi Daredevils, SG sponsor Sun Risers Hyderabd, so this, if happens, will be the third Indian airline to be present at the cricket grounds this season.
As for EY, this won't be the first time in the sporting industry (to name a few: rugby, F1 (title sponsors of the Etihad Aldar Spykar F1 team, and of course, Scuderia Ferrari  , and now the Eithad Airways Abu Dhabi GP), and some football stuff which I do not care about 
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/sports/etihad-jet-airways-likely-to-sponsor-mumbai-indians/article5896841.ece
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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...and confirmed now
http://www.firstpost.com/sports/mumbai-indians-rope-in-etihad-and-jet-as-principal-sponsors-1474909.html (thanks to Rishul for posting it on Facebook...)
| Quote: | | “As India continues to play an important part in the growth of Etihad Airways, this new sponsorship deal provides an excellent opportunity for us to reinforce our global brand in India, cement our partnership with Jet Airways and forge close and long-lasting relationships with the Indian travelling public, many of whom we know are huge cricket fans,” James Hogan, President and Chief Executive Officer of Etihad Airways, said. |
| Quote: | | Naresh Goyal, Chairman of Jet Airways, said: “We are excited to team up with Etihad Airways to sponsor the Mumbai Indians, as they prepare to take part in one of crickets’ most high profile tournaments featuring top cricketers from all over the world. "Cricket is a hugely popular sport around the world and especially in India. Sponsoring an all-star cricket team like the Mumbai Indians will surely provide our airlines with fantastic brand exposure on a global level and offer an impressive platform to connect with our customers while at the same time engaging with the community.” |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:21 am Post subject: |
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So will they have the Etihad logo on the front, a la soccer shirts ?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Logo on the back here.
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