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| Nimish wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo has stopped accepting credit cards for onboard payment as there is no technology to validate pin numbers in an offline mode. |
The PIN Numbers are all optional in reality - my banks rushed to send me cards with PIN for intl use as per RBI directives etc. - but turns out no terminal in the US accepts PINs. And of course it's out of the question for any internet transactions. From what I know the UK launched chip and PIN a decade or so ago, but those card holders had the same issues internationally - where PINs were not needed. The other thing I noticed was at a restaurant in BLR - where he took my chip/pin card, and just did a mag-swipe and gave me the charge slip (with auth code) to sign on. So it seems like an optional layer of security.
I always thought that the airline terminals would connect to the ground networks for authentication - esp. in a/c with WiFi enabled. I did not know that it's an offline auth. |
Handheld In flight Sales Machines are Offline . All they do is store the card information till the time the aircraft lands and only then is it connected and transaction completed .
There is no doubt an element of risk involved and airlines bear it . Purely because the revenue made from card sales can easily cover the few transactions which don't go through .
Also airlines chase up folk whose cards get declined . I know internationally if you pay by card onboard , your passport details are taken as well . |
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| airbus340 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo has stopped accepting credit cards for onboard payment as there is no technology to validate pin numbers in an offline mode. |
The PIN Numbers are all optional in reality - my banks rushed to send me cards with PIN for intl use as per RBI directives etc. - but turns out no terminal in the US accepts PINs. And of course it's out of the question for any internet transactions. From what I know the UK launched chip and PIN a decade or so ago, but those card holders had the same issues internationally - where PINs were not needed. The other thing I noticed was at a restaurant in BLR - where he took my chip/pin card, and just did a mag-swipe and gave me the charge slip (with auth code) to sign on. So it seems like an optional layer of security.
I always thought that the airline terminals would connect to the ground networks for authentication - esp. in a/c with WiFi enabled. I did not know that it's an offline auth. |
Handheld In flight Sales Machines are Offline . All they do is store the card information till the time the aircraft lands and only then is it connected and transaction completed .
There is no doubt an element of risk involved and airlines bear it . Purely because the revenue made from card sales can easily cover the few transactions which don't go through .
Also airlines chase up folk whose cards get declined . I know internationally if you pay by card onboard , your passport details are taken as well . |
Interesting.
But then how does one track down using passport details? I was curious to know as it is a very difficult task to chase passengers for a few $$$. Of course the instance may really be a one off where it might happen.
Or do they check all the charges from touch down to docking? Is it good enough time to validate all purchases? |
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Indigo seems to have moved 3x MAA-TRV-BOM-DEL to COK.
TRV-BOM fares seem to be higher (almost 2 times the COK fares), so the choice doesn't seem obvious |
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| avbuff wrote: | | airbus340 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo has stopped accepting credit cards for onboard payment as there is no technology to validate pin numbers in an offline mode. |
The PIN Numbers are all optional in reality - my banks rushed to send me cards with PIN for intl use as per RBI directives etc. - but turns out no terminal in the US accepts PINs. And of course it's out of the question for any internet transactions. From what I know the UK launched chip and PIN a decade or so ago, but those card holders had the same issues internationally - where PINs were not needed. The other thing I noticed was at a restaurant in BLR - where he took my chip/pin card, and just did a mag-swipe and gave me the charge slip (with auth code) to sign on. So it seems like an optional layer of security.
I always thought that the airline terminals would connect to the ground networks for authentication - esp. in a/c with WiFi enabled. I did not know that it's an offline auth. |
Handheld In flight Sales Machines are Offline . All they do is store the card information till the time the aircraft lands and only then is it connected and transaction completed .
There is no doubt an element of risk involved and airlines bear it . Purely because the revenue made from card sales can easily cover the few transactions which don't go through .
Also airlines chase up folk whose cards get declined . I know internationally if you pay by card onboard , your passport details are taken as well . |
Interesting.
But then how does one track down using passport details? I was curious to know as it is a very difficult task to chase passengers for a few $$$. Of course the instance may really be a one off where it might happen.
Or do they check all the charges from touch down to docking? Is it good enough time to validate all purchases? |
You will be surprised they don't check on touch down . They are charged in the next 24 hours or so .
Like i said there might be a few instances where the card might not work and requires chasing up . However on the whole its worth taking the risk .
There are some routes where airlines don't accept cards at all for duty free purchase . On the VS and BA network LOS is one such destination . All transactions are done by cash . |
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| airbus340 wrote: | | There are some routes where airlines don't accept cards at all for duty free purchase . On the VS and BA network LOS is one such destination . All transactions are done by cash . |
He he, no surprises there...
I am sure most of us received and still receiving email originating from LOS asking us to provide our bank details where those fraudsters promise to transfer millions and offer a share of the loot  .
I have used credit cards purchasing items on board with all kinds of airlines internationally, airlines like Wizzair, Vueling etc, no one asked for passport details..
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| PAL@YWG wrote: | | I have used credit cards purchasing items on board with all kinds of airlines internationally, airlines like Wizzair, Vueling etc, no one asked for passport details.. |
I presume they have your passport information based on your seat # and hence PNR and hence APIS information.
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Indigo to go 9x daily on DEL-BLR and 3x daily on DEL-GOI
New flights eff 22Dec
MAA_TRV leg cancelled, thus cancelling TRV_BOM
It ll be a daily MAA COK TRV, also in prep for air asia may be ? |
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| Nimish wrote: | | PAL@YWG wrote: | | I have used credit cards purchasing items on board with all kinds of airlines internationally, airlines like Wizzair, Vueling etc, no one asked for passport details.. |
I presume they have your passport information based on your seat # and hence PNR and hence APIS information. |
Spot on !! |
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| airbus340 wrote: | You will be surprised they don't check on touch down . They are charged in the next 24 hours or so .
Like i said there might be a few instances where the card might not work and requires chasing up . However on the whole its worth taking the risk .
There are some routes where airlines don't accept cards at all for duty free purchase . On the VS and BA network LOS is one such destination . All transactions are done by cash . |
I see.
So if I understand it rightly, on high risk points only cash is accepted and at low risk countries you go for the card. But what policy is implemented on medium risk countries, say, like India?
| Nimish wrote: | | I presume they have your passport information based on your seat # and hence PNR and hence APIS information. |
Barring USA, you can actually have tickets issued etc without the passport information. APIS is just for CKIN sake, so which does not mean it will be on the PNR.
Not that you cannot track it, but it just makes it complicated. |
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[quote="avbuff"] | airbus340 wrote: | You will be surprised they don't check on touch down . They are charged in the next 24 hours or so .
Like i said there might be a few instances where the card might not work and requires chasing up . However on the whole its worth taking the risk .
There are some routes where airlines don't accept cards at all for duty free purchase . On the VS and BA network LOS is one such destination . All transactions are done by cash . |
I see.
So if I understand it rightly, on high risk points only cash is accepted and at low risk countries you go for the card. But what policy is implemented on medium risk countries, say, like India?
| Nimish wrote: | | I presume they have your passport information based on your seat # and hence PNR and hence APIS information. |
Barring USA, you can actually have tickets issued etc without the passport information. APIS is just for CKIN sake, so which does not mean it will be on the PNR.
Not that you cannot track it, but it just makes it complicated.[/quote
Cards are accepted for payments on VS and BA on Indian flights . Don't really know about other foreign carriers . |
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| ameya wrote: | | Indigo to go 9x daily on DEL-BLR |
This is truly massive - 180 X 9 = 1620 seats each way per day. This is more than the full rake of the Karnataka or Rajdhani express (barring the unreserved coaches which routinely have double or triple the pax compared to capacity). Kudos to 6E for making this work.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Nimish wrote: | | ameya wrote: | | Indigo to go 9x daily on DEL-BLR |
This is truly massive - 180 X 9 = 1620 seats each way per day. This is more than the full rake of the Karnataka or Rajdhani express (barring the unreserved coaches which routinely have double or triple the pax compared to capacity). Kudos to 6E for making this work. |
They are just making it difficult for others to come in, like they made SG almost go away from the BOM-DEL market. No matter your blue skies, BOM-DEL remains profitable all year and is lucrative ! But SG just cudnt sustain in the weak months because all the business traffic was between AI/9W/6E |
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I was comparing daily non-stops in other domestic markets:
SFO-LAX: 14 UA non-stops
SFO-ORD: 3 VX, 6 AA, 14 UA non-stops
FRA-HAM: 17 LH non-stops
(Pseudo domestic due to the EU): FRA-LHR - LH has 12 non-stops on this route
DEL-BOM: 13 AI, 8 G8, 14 6E, 13 9W, 7 SG non-stops
DEL-BLR: 4 AI, 2 G8, 6 6E, 8 9W, 3 SG
Based on this, I think there's still room for any airline to grow on the DEL-BLR sector with non-stops (The 9 for 6E includes one-stop services (2X AMD and 1X PNQ) operating DEL-BLR).
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| Nimish wrote: | I was comparing daily non-stops in other domestic markets:
SFO-LAX: 14 UA non-stops
SFO-ORD: 3 VX, 6 AA, 14 UA non-stops
FRA-HAM: 17 LH non-stops
(Pseudo domestic due to the EU): FRA-LHR - LH has 12 non-stops on this route
DEL-BOM: 13 AI, 8 G8, 14 6E, 13 9W, 7 SG non-stops
DEL-BLR: 4 AI, 2 G8, 6 6E, 8 9W, 3 SG
Based on this, I think there's still room for any airline to grow on the DEL-BLR sector with non-stops (The 9 for 6E includes one-stop services (2X AMD and 1X PNQ) operating DEL-BLR). |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_passenger_air_routes#By_aircraft_movements
Turns out GIG-GRU is the busiest. DEL-BOM is 11th on the list. |
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| I think 9x are excluding the one stops |
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| ameya wrote: | | I think 9x are excluding the one stops |
Not as per the Flightstats schedule site. They showed 6 non-stop and 2/AMD and 1/PNQ routing for BLR-DEL.
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IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFX.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFX. |
And another as VT-IFW today, making it 2-in-2.
Meanwhile VT-INO has been withdrawn from the fleet and ferried to Shannon today, on her way to join SAS.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFX. |
And another as VT-IFW today, making it 2-in-2.
Meanwhile VT-INO has been withdrawn from the fleet and ferried to Shannon today, on her way to join SAS. |
So how many of the original order of 100 remain? Acc to airfleets, 6E has 73 (71+2 above) active and 17 withdrawn. That makes 90. Were any leased from 3rd parties and not linked to the original 100 ? |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/IndiGo-to-launch-10-new-domestic-flights/articleshow/27371081.cms
IndiGo to launch 10 new domestic flights
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Budget carrier IndiGo on Saturday said that it will launch 10 new services on its domestic network from December 15, 2013.
"It gives me immense pleasure in announcing these new frequencies from Bengaluru, Chennai, Delhi, Goa, Hyderabad and Kolkata," said Aditya Ghosh, president and executive director, IndiGo.
According to the airline, from December 15 it will introduces new daily non-stop flights between Chennai-Hyderabad, Chennai-Kolkata, Hyderabad-Goa and Chennai-Goa (via Hyderabad).
The airline added that effective from December 22 new daily non-stop flights between Delhi-Bengaluru and Delhi-Goa will also be added.
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Indigo is getting ready for AirAsia India by introducing more from MAA and also competing with Air Costa which recently introduced MAA-HYD. When AirAsia India enters, there will be some casualties, Air Costa and Spicejet will struggle.
It is time that Spicejet introduce some kind of a frequent flyer program, perhaps on the lines of Southwest airlines, which is fare based. |
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| I believe Indigo also have a new aircraft VT-IFX. Saw her on FR24/ |
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| abhigopal wrote: | | I believe Indigo also have a new aircraft VT-IFX. Saw her on FR24/ |
| 747-237 wrote: | Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:21 am
IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFX. |
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| 747-237 wrote: | | abhigopal wrote: | | I believe Indigo also have a new aircraft VT-IFX. Saw her on FR24/ |
| 747-237 wrote: | Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:21 am
IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFX. |
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IMO, Spicejet is making the right moves by announcing all the intl connections. There is no doubt that SG will struggle once Air Asia comes, but I hope it will be able to pull through.
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| shivendrashukla wrote: | IMO, Spicejet is making the right moves by announcing all the intl connections. There is no doubt that SG will struggle once Air Asia comes, but I hope it will be able to pull through.
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lets see what AirAsia does.
SG is struggling with working capital as it is, but do have a decent capture on market share.
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6E will now be 9x daily on BOM-BLR sector eff 1st feb
Also the MAA-CCU-IXB-DEL and v.v would originate at BLR , thus making BLR-MAA 2x Daily, with the new morning flight giving a day return ex BLR
The new frequency on BLR-BOM-BLR is fitted in the slot vacated due to PNQ runway closure and is not an new fleet addition |
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6E is adding Varanasi to its network. Looks like another exclusive SG destination has fallen off the map.
Traditionally SG was very strong in IXJ / IXB/GAU/VNS /AMD/JAI/COK
And brick by brick, 6E has gained ground, VNS remained the last of destinations where it had a free run ! |
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IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFY.
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| ameya wrote: | 6E is adding Varanasi to its network. Looks like another exclusive SG destination has fallen off the map.
Traditionally SG was very strong in IXJ / IXB/GAU/VNS /AMD/JAI/COK
And brick by brick, 6E has gained ground, VNS remained the last of destinations where it had a free run ! |
It is still very strong in IXM...
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| abhijith16 wrote: | | ameya wrote: | 6E is adding Varanasi to its network. Looks like another exclusive SG destination has fallen off the map.
Traditionally SG was very strong in IXJ / IXB/GAU/VNS /AMD/JAI/COK
And brick by brick, 6E has gained ground, VNS remained the last of destinations where it had a free run ! |
It is still very strong in IXM... |
I think that is the last one ! |
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| ameya wrote: | | abhijith16 wrote: | | ameya wrote: | 6E is adding Varanasi to its network. Looks like another exclusive SG destination has fallen off the map.
Traditionally SG was very strong in IXJ / IXB/GAU/VNS /AMD/JAI/COK
And brick by brick, 6E has gained ground, VNS remained the last of destinations where it had a free run ! |
It is still very strong in IXM... |
I think that is the last one ! |
Air Asia India is on their way. |
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/indigo-market-share-shrinks-for-2nd-month-in-a-row-in-december/articleshow/29175847.cms
IndiGo market share shrinks for 2nd month in a row in December
22 Jan, 2014
India's largest passenger carrier IndiGo lost market share for the second consecutive month as its market share slipped marginally to 28.2% in December 2013 as compared to 28.6% in the previous month.
For experts, IndiGo's declining share for the second successive issue was not a serious issue. "It's just a marginal drop in market share and such luctuations keep happening.
They have kept it more or less at November levels. But November was a big drop and that was due to an aircraft on ground for maintenance which meant it had lower capacity while GoAir added its capacity in November by taking delivery of another aircraft," an aviation industry consultant who did not want to be quoted said. |
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| 747-237 wrote: | | IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFY. |
And another today, as VT-IFZ.
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6E will blitzkrieg into Varanasi by offering 3 Daily DEL-VNS, and each flight will be extended both ways via DEL onto BOM/HYD and BLR effective from 21 February. This however does not mean that 6E will be adding another daily into these destinations, as they are extending existing ones..
6E118 BLR0935 - 1230DEL1305 - 1425VNS 320 D
6E125 VNS1455 - 1615DEL1650 - 1945BLR 320 D
6E308 HYD0610 - 0825DEL0855 - 1010VNS 320 D
6E307 VNS1830 - 1950DEL2020 - 2225HYD 320 D
6E176 BOM1405 - 1605DEL1635 - 1800VNS 320 D
6E175 VNS1045 - 1215DEL1305 - 1505BOM 320 D
Spicejet has a lot to fear from indiGo's arrival!
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Cool new routes from 6E - hope they're able to fill them up. VNS should have good demand given how it's a tourist destination, and serves a large tract of eastern UP.
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| Nimish wrote: | | Cool new routes from 6E - hope they're able to fill them up. VNS should have good demand given how it's a tourist destination, and serves a large tract of eastern UP. |
More so because it's ( the state) one of the most densely populated place on earth with a population of >20cr.
I'm sure 6E has done good research before launching so many flights. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| lavence7 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | Cool new routes from 6E - hope they're able to fill them up. VNS should have good demand given how it's a tourist destination, and serves a large tract of eastern UP. |
More so because it's ( the state) one of the most densely populated place on earth with a population of >20cr.
I'm sure 6E has done good research before launching so many flights. |
I am not sure if u can co-relate density of population to flight schedules in India.
Bihar and West Bengal hv denser population than UP - which does not necessarily translate to more flights.
End of the day its all about yields. Varanasi flights are predominantly aimed at tourists from what I have seen. |
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ameya
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Location: Pune,Maharashtra
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| justbala wrote: | | lavence7 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | Cool new routes from 6E - hope they're able to fill them up. VNS should have good demand given how it's a tourist destination, and serves a large tract of eastern UP. |
More so because it's ( the state) one of the most densely populated place on earth with a population of >20cr.
I'm sure 6E has done good research before launching so many flights. |
I am not sure if u can co-relate density of population to flight schedules in India.
Bihar and West Bengal hv denser population than UP - which does not necessarily translate to more flights.
End of the day its all about yields. Varanasi flights are predominantly aimed at tourists from what I have seen. |
That is true and I wondered why 6E has not launched it as yet considering that SG was very strong there they could have gone behind SG long back |
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