Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  IndiGo News - Part 3 Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: saurabhm_101 wrote: For those of you who don't know how crew are treated in IndiGo. http://theflyingengineer.com/out-of-the-blue/dissatisfied-flightcrew/ A letter written to management by Pilots. This has got to be a joke? Is this how senior pilots communicate with management? This letter seems like it's written by a bunch of juvenile testosterone-driven muscle heads. Not by intelligent, sane and balanced folks (which is what I assume a pilot needs to be). _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: saurabhm_101 wrote: For those of you who don't know how crew are treated in IndiGo. http://theflyingengineer.com/out-of-the-blue/dissatisfied-flightcrew/ A letter written to management by Pilots. This has got to be a joke? Is this how senior pilots communicate with management? This letter seems like it's written by a bunch of juvenile testosterone-driven muscle heads. Not by intelligent, sane and balanced folks (which is what I assume a pilot needs to be). Wow. I didn't bother after the first sentence.... Until I reached the end and saw the lone comment, which I love: "quite evidently written by Dahli (delhi) crew" I like this Dipika! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:14 pm    Post subject: These pilots are welcome to quit if they don't like it, right? Why don't they go and work in the Gulf or Malaysia or somewhere else like many of their counterparts have done? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: These pilots are welcome to quit if they don't like it, right? Why don't they go and work in the Gulf or Malaysia or somewhere else like many of their counterparts have done? And that's the whole point. These pilots are unwanted in the ME and Malaysia, thanks to their inexperience. They treat some, not all, as school children because many of them are barely college pass outs who cannot draft a sentence properly in English. The IndiGo pilots do have a choice, and that is to quit. IndiGo is no Air India or Jet airways where it will accept any sort of bullying from the pilots. Back to top stealthpilot Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:14 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: Why don't they go and work in the Gulf or Malaysia or somewhere else like many of their counterparts have done? I doubt other airlines hire clowns On a serious note, this cant be a serious complaint. Probably just some email impulsively shot off if its even real. _________________ eP007 Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:41 pm    Post subject: stealthpilot wrote: On a serious note, this cant be a serious complaint. Probably just some email impulsively shot off if its even real. Well - the comments on blog posts related to "email" are mostly of the chest-thumping-we-are-being-wronged variety. No one seems to be questioning why 6E hires and keeps such immature pilots. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:05 pm    Post subject: IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFU. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: saurabhm_101 wrote: For those of you who don't know how crew are treated in IndiGo. http://theflyingengineer.com/out-of-the-blue/dissatisfied-flightcrew/ A letter written to management by Pilots. Any updates on what happened after that letter? Are the main "protagonists" still employed at 6E? _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top lavence7 Member Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 101 Location: Mumbai, India, Juhu Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: saurabhm_101 wrote: For those of you who don't know how crew are treated in IndiGo. http://theflyingengineer.com/out-of-the-blue/dissatisfied-flightcrew/ A letter written to management by Pilots. Isn't English, manners and work-ethics expected from a pilot ? I think they should make TOFEL or IELTS a compulsory requirement for pilots. I don't know what they would do if they had to work for a Middle eastern or SE Asian carrier considering their strict work environment. Sounds like a lazy former pilot of AI who isn't used to the discipline at 6E. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: lavence7 wrote: Isn't English, manners and work-ethics expected... It's Air India; employee ethics is a contradiction in terms. At best, it means turning up to work most of the time (provided there's a chauffeur-driven car sent to fetch) and not stealing everything, but leaving a little bit for the passengers/taxpayers. As for English, I will hold my comments on account of my recent promise _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Jeh Member Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Posts: 669 Location: Delhi, India Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: lavence7 wrote: Isn't English, manners and work-ethics expected... It's Air India; employee ethics is a contradiction in terms. At best, it means turning up to work most of the time (provided there's a chauffeur-driven car sent to fetch) and not stealing everything, but leaving a little bit for the passengers/taxpayers. What does this have to do with Air India? The letter was written by an Indigo pilot, to the management of that airline. Or perhaps you don't even need a context now to spray your ill-informed bile all over the place? Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:54 pm    Post subject: Whoops. My bilious statement is still true, but certainly out of context. I suppose it can be filed under "I have never had anything remotely to do with AI,in any form or at any time, but my heart bleeds for their wretched employees, who are all, every single one, the picture of innocence, hard work, ethics and honesty." It's entirely possible these were AI employees who are having difficult time adjusting to life on the outside. That's understandable, because going to the workplace and then doing work is a very different proposition from simply showing up. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top stealthpilot Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:51 pm    Post subject: lavence7 wrote: Isn't English, manners and work-ethics expected from a pilot ? I think they should make TOFEL or IELTS a compulsory requirement for pilots. I don't know what they would do if they had to work for a Middle eastern or SE Asian carrier considering their strict work environment. Work ethic and manners = sure thing, although I would guess it's a trait required for most jobs With regard to a TOEFL or equivalent ... well .... the bad English was humorous but not unprofessional in that sense- let me rephrase. The language and by that I mean the threatening nature certainly was unprofessional, but bad English in itself isn't the end of the world. _________________ eP007 Back to top lavence7 Member Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 101 Location: Mumbai, India, Juhu Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:00 am    Post subject: stealthpilot wrote: Work ethic and manners = sure thing, although I would guess it's a trait required for most jobs With regard to a TOEFL or equivalent ... well .... the bad English was humorous but not unprofessional in that sense- let me rephrase. The language and by that I mean the threatening nature certainly was unprofessional, but bad English in itself isn't the end of the world. But because of his bad English, the letter appears even more unprofessional and disrespectful, because of his poor choice of words. Something like "leave this cheapness " . An MNC would kick an employee out for even having sh*t in its email. The letter was unprofessional in every sense. Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: As for English, I will hold my comments on account of my recent promise It is increasingly becoming like that, unfortunately. A disturbingly large number of Indians speak and write pathetic English, despite having gone through more than twelve years of English medium education. And they all claim in their CVs that their English is fluent!! It does bother me a lot, particularly when I see French kids who spoke no language other than their native one, returning with perfectly acceptable English after spending a year in the US or UK. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:06 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: jasepl wrote: As for English, I will hold my comments on account of my recent promise It is increasingly becoming like that, unfortunately. A disturbingly large number of Indians speak and write pathetic English, despite having gone through more than twelve years of English medium education. And they all claim in their CVs that their English is fluent!! It does bother me a lot, particularly when I see French kids who spoke no language other than their native one, returning with perfectly acceptable English after spending a year in the US or UK. It is incredible how the vast majority of "English-medium" educated people simply cannot string one coherent sentence together in English. Most can read and comprehend English, but they may as well be writing and speaking Uzbek. The most glaring example being our newspapers, especially the Trash of India. Shockingly poor. And I know what you mean about the French kids... My cousins have for long spoken perfect English- infinitely better than my francais - learnt primarily over a few vacations spent in India. Of course, they won't speak it unless they have to, but that's a whole different discussion! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top nadarji Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 305 Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: I studied in one of the best schools in Trivandrum. The way that kids in the west are taught languages is different. They learn to express ideas from an earlier age. I agree to the writing skills - I wonder why technical writing is not taught in Indian Engineering colleges. It could change the quality perception of the software industry. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:12 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: IndiGo have added a new A320 to the fleet today, as VT-IFU. And another today, as VT-IFV. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:34 pm    Post subject: [/quote] And they all claim in their CVs that their English is fluent!! .[/quote] Interviewing candidates.....the first thing I do is ask them to elaborate on their resume and most times they dont know what they meant...... _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Star has started to court Brazilian LCC Azul and Indian LCC IndiGo to join the potential programme, which would facilitate connections with participating Star members. http://skift.com/2013/10/29/star-alliance-is-also-looking-to-attract-low-cost-airlines-following-skyteam/ Back to top theflyingsikh Member Joined: 08 May 2010 Posts: 551 Location: United Kingdom Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:29 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Star has started to court Brazilian LCC Azul and Indian LCC IndiGo to join the potential programme, which would facilitate connections with participating Star members. http://skift.com/2013/10/29/star-alliance-is-also-looking-to-attract-low-cost-airlines-following-skyteam/ If Star Alliance is thinking that after dumping Air India they will be able to get Indigo into the alliance. Then I seriously wish both Star and Indigo loads of good luck so they manage to get the relevant permissions from Govt Of India. Will this ever happen? _________________ Aerosexual...! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Star has started to court Brazilian LCC Azul and Indian LCC IndiGo to join the potential programme, which would facilitate connections with participating Star members. http://skift.com/2013/10/29/star-alliance-is-also-looking-to-attract-low-cost-airlines-following-skyteam/ I don't think 6E is even remotely looking at an alliance, considering they have not bothered with even the semblance of a FFP. I suspect this is more hot air from *A wrt it's India strategy. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: 6E expansion eff 1st dec AMD-BOM-GAU-IXB-CCU-BLR and another a/c ll do the reverse The existing 5:50 dep ex AMD continues with this rotation, earlier it used to go to IXC and now it does CJB 4x weekly at 0725hrs IXB will then be connected with DEL Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: 6E expansion eff 1st dec AMD-BOM-GAU-IXB-CCU-BLR and another a/c ll do the reverse The existing 5:50 dep ex AMD continues with this rotation, earlier it used to go to IXC and now it does CJB 4x weekly at 0725hrs IXB will then be connected with DEL So Bagdogra's a new destination for 6E? When's Mangalore's turn??? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:22 am    Post subject: http://www.routes-news.com/news/1-news/2135-indigo-continues-domestic-expansion IndiGo continues domestic expansion 18 November 2013 IndiGo has added Bagdogra as its 30th domestic and 35th overall destination in its winter schedule. New daily non-stop flights will be launched between the destination and both Guwahati and Kolkata, with the potential for passengers to connect to Mumbai and Bengaluru, respectively. The airline is also launching its seventh daily non-stop service between Delhi and Kolkata, and between Mumbai and Guwahati. IndiGo will also fly seven times daily between Delhi and Kolkata. All the new routes will commence by December 1. The carrier’s president, Aditya Ghosh, commented: “Bagdogra is going to be an important part of our destination network because it holds good prospect for commercial business apart from the region of Darjeeling, Siliguri and New Jalpaiguri. “We are planning to increase the connectivity to and from Bagdogra and expand our operations with additional flights.” _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: 6E is starting HYD GOI flights eff 15 Dec MAA_HYD-GOI is how they would operate SG used to operate direct MAA GOI flights which did not work out Havent been able to find out the complete rotation but a lot of flights are being re jigged in the process Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: 6E will also go 4x daily on CCU-MAA-CCU The rotation so far is MAA-CCU-MAA-HYD-GOI-HYD-MAA Now sure what it does from here .. a lot of gap in MAA .. i think it does one more HYD run Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:04 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: 6E will also go 4x daily on CCU-MAA-CCU The rotation so far is MAA-CCU-MAA-HYD-GOI-HYD-MAA Now sure what it does from here .. a lot of gap in MAA .. i think it does one more HYD run Is a rotation being cancelled to make way for this route or is it a completely new rotation? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:30 pm    Post subject: http://www.firstpost.com/business/indigo-plans-to-expand-fleet-with-smaller-aircraft-1245427.html IndiGo plans to expand fleet with smaller aircraft IndiGo airline’s promoter Rahul Bhatia said today he is looking to acquire smaller aircraft though no plans have been firmed up as yet on either the manufacturer or the number of planes to be bought. Agency reports quoted him saying, “There is certainly a market for smaller aircraft in India. We are looking at it but at what time we will induct these aircraft I cannot say.” Bhatia was speaking to reporters after the launch of a pilot simulator training facility in Greater Noida, near Delhi. Some months back, Firstpost had quoted official sources to say that IndiGo is planning to start regional operations by launching a separate subsidiary company. IndiGo operates a single aircraft type fleet of the Airbus 320 family in a single class configuration, primarily deploying them on metro routes as a low cost carrier (LCC). In today’s interaction, Bhatia did not speak of either setting up any new subsidiary or of a timeline by which smaller aircraft would be inducted but the intent is clear – it is looking at increased regional operations. Earlier, there were reports of IndiGo planning to place an order for up to 20 ATR aircraft but no confirmation is available on this still. IndiGo’s possible regional foray could change the dynamic of domestic aviation. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:42 am    Post subject: ^^ Finally! My bet would be a fleet of ATRs as they are the most cost effective and reasonably comfortable now... _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: ^^ Finally! My bet would be a fleet of ATRs as they are the most cost effective and reasonably comfortable now... or maybe a fleet of ERJ170 or CRJs. Wasn't there something being mentioned about a mysterious Indian customer for the Sukhoi Superjet? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top Optimus.Prime Member Joined: 21 Dec 2009 Posts: 302 Location: VAJJ (No, not Va-Jay-Jay) Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:18 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: ^^ Finally! My bet would be a fleet of ATRs as they are the most cost effective and reasonably comfortable now... I second that. Airbus (EADS) wont let such a loyal customer escape! _________________ Why can't Donuts be square? Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:31 am    Post subject: Looks like a difficult choice. Should they get into Regional Jet market or into Turbo Prop. Once you have turbo prop - people start getting ideas of crazy expansion and it does not go well with the LCC philosophy Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:39 am    Post subject: Dad did a few back to back flights - 6E BLR PNQ was the last of it. 10 mins delay in dep and arr, even when the flight had arrived on time from COK to BLR Announcements made that it was due to infrastructure issues at BLR. The buses took long to ferry pax to the plane Quick service and good crew Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: ameya wrote: Looks like a difficult choice. Should they get into Regional Jet market or into Turbo Prop. With the lower infrastructure and fuel costs of the Turboprops, they'd be foolish not to sign up for the ATRs. The waived AAI/ airport charges are the icing on the cake IMO. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top nadarji Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 305 Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:45 pm    Post subject: The AAI concessions are based on the number of seats, and should be available for RJs as well. E170 could open up long thin routes (from TRV, I would think HYD and DEL for example), and maybe also thin routes to the Gulf from BOM? Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: nadarji wrote: The AAI concessions are based on the number of seats, and should be available for RJs as well. E170 could open up long thin routes (from TRV, I would think HYD and DEL for example), and maybe also thin routes to the Gulf from BOM? You are right, here's what I could find as the policy: Quote: Incentive to domestic airlines by not charging landing & parking charges if they are operating with aircraft with a maximum certified capacity of less than 80 seats But with capital & operational costs much higher for RJs, and given the poor financial health of our airlines, are RJs really the right option? Sure - they would help for long-thin routes, but the intention of the AAI discounts is to promote regional connectivity, not necessarily long-thin routes. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top iah87 Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2566 Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: In general people hate turbos especially when they have a competing Jet service and it takes less time on the Jet. It may be worth it on some long thin routes, definitely better than a 320 or 737, when you have a hard time filling it. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11358 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: IndiGo has stopped accepting credit cards for onboard payment as there is no technology to validate pin numbers in an offline mode. "An aircraft in air cannot verify pin numbers and hence cannot be used for transactions. We are seeing how this issue can be worked out," said a bank official. Sources say IndiGo, the only Indian airline to offer card swiping, has even offered to accept the risk of any mistake for in-flight swiping. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Pin-numbers-cut-off-card-swipes-on-IndiGo/articleshow/26714226.cms _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: IndiGo has stopped accepting credit cards for onboard payment as there is no technology to validate pin numbers in an offline mode. The PIN Numbers are all optional in reality - my banks rushed to send me cards with PIN for intl use as per RBI directives etc. - but turns out no terminal in the US accepts PINs. And of course it's out of the question for any internet transactions. From what I know the UK launched chip and PIN a decade or so ago, but those card holders had the same issues internationally - where PINs were not needed. The other thing I noticed was at a restaurant in BLR - where he took my chip/pin card, and just did a mag-swipe and gave me the charge slip (with auth code) to sign on. So it seems like an optional layer of security. I always thought that the airline terminals would connect to the ground networks for authentication - esp. in a/c with WiFi enabled. I did not know that it's an offline auth. _________________ We miss you Nalini! 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