Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  First look at Air India's 787-8s - Part II Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: I don't see why pax - aviation geeks aside, should necessarily be disappointed. AI's J and Y products on the 77Ls are far superior than on the 787s and moreover, either aircraft provide a better experience than a 320 or a 737 which is what a flier is likely to get should he opt for the tried and tested method of choosing one of the many domestic carriers. It would only be more disappointing if you paid your bucks for the advertised craft only to see an A320-200 stationed at the gate. I can imagine a lot of folks flipping out at the gate over that! _________________ Yeah. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:12 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: vikramv2 wrote: Any clue what VT-AND is gonna do? Apparently intl routes - DXB & SIN. DEL - DXB on the 787 starts 9/26. This is also the first intl route for the AI 787s. AI995 DEL 2025 – DXB 2220 AI996 DXB 0005 – DEL 0445 _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: The Dreamliner in sight @ DEL. All set to fly the 787 to BLR!!! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:38 pm    Post subject: Spiderguy252 wrote: I don't see why pax - aviation geeks aside, should necessarily be disappointed. AI's J and Y products on the 77Ls are far superior than on the 787s and moreover, either aircraft provide a better experience than a 320 or a 737 which is what a flier is likely to get should he opt for the tried and tested method of choosing one of the many domestic carriers. It would only be more disappointing if you paid your bucks for the advertised craft only to see an A320-200 stationed at the gate. I can imagine a lot of folks flipping out at the gate over that! Spidey - specifically because of the advertising blitz that the 787 has received and it's being touted as the reason to fly the AI403/404 sectors. Otherwise I'm pretty sure it would never have been overbooked in the first place. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: justbala wrote: The Dreamliner in sight @ DEL. All set to fly the 787 to BLR!!! Great, Bala - we look forward to a trip report! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Spidey - specifically because of the advertising blitz that the 787 has received Nimish - you can hardly call it a blitz. There was such a lot of uncertainty about when ANH would actually come in, and even most of us got to know of the routes when we shared rumours across. The actual advertising took place some 2-3 days before the actual flight. We aviation enthusiasts may be fine with such things, but I am not sure if the general public would react with such enthusiasm - well, they did, which is a pleasant surprise. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject: sumantra wrote: justbala wrote: The Dreamliner in sight @ DEL. All set to fly the 787 to BLR!!! Great, Bala - we look forward to a trip report! Cheers, Sumantra. TR posted - http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=118149#118149 Enjoy!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: DEL - DXB on the 787 starts 9/26. This is also the first intl route for the AI 787s. AI995 DEL 2025 – DXB 2220 AI996 DXB 0005 – DEL 0445 Hope no one bought a ticket - the planned 787 DEL - DXB route has now been scrapped ! _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:16 am    Post subject: The 787 is to be deployed on the DEL - CCU route AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 The 787 on the DEL - BLR route is being bumped up from 1 x to 2 x daily AI803 DEL 0635 – BLR 0910 AI505 BLR 1010 – DEL 1225 AI403 DEL 1630 – BLR 1910 AI404 BLR 2010 – DEL 2245 DEL - MAA remains is to continue unchanged for the moment AI439 DEL 0700 – MAA 0940 AI430 MAA 1045 – DEL 1325 _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Any idea if BOM is to be included in the scheduled plan...if so when...... _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: HAWK21M wrote: Any idea if BOM is to be included in the scheduled plan...if so when...... Not yet - perhaps when the 787 fleet grows. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: So the 2nd plane comes into operations DEL-BLR-DEL-CCU-DEL DEL-MAA-DEL-BLR-DEL being the first. BOM will not come online so soon for domestic because of bay issues at BOM Domestic Relatively it is easier at MAA, CCU, BLR to have remote and buss pax. At BLR I think they can even use the aero bridge Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Hope no one bought a ticket - the planned 787 DEL - DXB route has now been scrapped ! On the other hand, this has been a very pleasant surprise for my father, who had his AI 020 - AI 764 tickets booked quite some time back! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: BOM will not come online so soon for domestic because of bay issues at BOM Domestic. Relatively it is easier at MAA, CCU, BLR to have remote and buss pax. At BLR I think they can even use the aero bridge Trust our resident encyclopaedia to explain all technical issues to us - thank you, Ameya! Though I am looking forward to making a BOM-DEL trip on the 787 if a 787 is used on that route in December! I plan to take The Wife and Junior also along. If not, I may try any of the 777s on the BOM-DEL leg. A question: at the AI Flying Returns office in 2010, I was told that a redemption ticket for an AI ticket on the domestic leg of an international flight would cost more than an IC pure-domestic ticket (more taxes). Would you know why, since this is not so on the website. On the other hand, currently, the website does not have an online redemption option - it was announced that it would be down for a while. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: So what happens to the already very idle 772s / 77Ws / 77Ls ? Where are they going to hang out? At least Jet - who are equally dumb by buying more and more planes when they too don't know what to do with the ones they have - have their planes flying for Thai and THY. No one even wants to boy or lease AI's planes. By the way, has anyone flown the planes yet? Do the interiors look as awful in real life as they do in the pictures (as if bodily fluids were excreted from all three orifices all over the cabin)? _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: ameya wrote: BOM will not come online so soon for domestic because of bay issues at BOM Domestic. Relatively it is easier at MAA, CCU, BLR to have remote and buss pax. At BLR I think they can even use the aero bridge Trust our resident encyclopaedia to explain all technical issues to us - thank you, Ameya! Though I am looking forward to making a BOM-DEL trip on the 787 if a 787 is used on that route in December! I plan to take The Wife and Junior also along. If not, I may try any of the 777s on the BOM-DEL leg. A question: at the AI Flying Returns office in 2010, I was told that a redemption ticket for an AI ticket on the domestic leg of an international flight would cost more than an IC pure-domestic ticket (more taxes). Would you know why, since this is not so on the website. On the other hand, currently, the website does not have an online redemption option - it was announced that it would be down for a while. Cheers, Sumantra. AFAIK, it has to do with pre integration days redemption, where the two airlines worked like it is a code share. So IC pays AI more for a ticket and v.v for whatever reasons and the same concept was applied to redemption. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: AFAIK, it has to do with pre integration days redemption, where the two airlines worked like it is a code share. So IC pays AI more for a ticket and v.v for whatever reasons and the same concept was applied to redemption. That's because they were always separate legal entities, even after NACIL was created. That meant they had to maintain separate books of accounts. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:54 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: So what happens to the already very idle 772s / 77Ws / 77Ls ? They are sunning themselves on the tarmacs of BOM and DEL. DEL at least sees a fair utilisation of the birds, making money is a different question, though. Their hubbing seems to be working quite well - the banks of 777 operations, as I have written before, look quite good in terms of connections, that too, many being well before sunset. By the way, the (772+772A) type has long been returned to the lessors- Megh Malhar, Neelambari, Hamsadhwani, Kalyani, with the latter having being painted into the new colours. jasepl wrote: By the way, has anyone flown the planes yet? Do the interiors look as awful in real life as they do in the pictures (as if bodily fluids were excreted from all three orifices all over the cabin)? I wish I could write as well as many on the Trip Reports section of this forum - alas, I produce more quantity than quality. I have taken quite a few trips on these, and talking of bodily fluids, one could only drool over both the hardware, as well as the service. 21. Eats, Shoots, and Leaves: Beijing, 2011 Part 3 http://www.airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/airlinersindia-ftopic12452.html 19. North By Northwest...er, AI and CA: Beijing, 2011 Part 1 http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/airlinersindia-ftopic12348.html 1. IGI T3, AI 314 DEL-HKG and AI 311 HKG-DEL http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/airlinersindia-ftopic10018.html ...and all of these have been circa 2010 and later, when much to my pleasant surprise, I noticed that the service was quite like the heydays I had seen on my DEL-JFK-DEL trip in December 2008. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: AFAIK, it has to do with pre integration days redemption, where the two airlines worked like it is a code share. So IC pays AI more for a ticket and v.v for whatever reasons and the same concept was applied to redemption. Thanks a lot, Ameya and Jason- yes, that would to be the reason, since the Flying Returns programme was perhaps more IC than erstwhile AI, though I saw points accrue seamlessly on both carriers on my trips. I guess I can try redemptions on the international wide-bodies, without straining my pockets too much. Back to top aeroblogger Member Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: The 787 on the DEL - BLR route is being bumped up from 1 x to 2 x daily AI803 DEL 0635 – BLR 0910 AI505 BLR 1010 – DEL 1225 AI403 DEL 1630 – BLR 1910 AI404 BLR 2010 – DEL 2245 BLR loads have been very good. I guess AI decided to try to go after the market more instead of trying out a new route. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Loads yes. But there would be multiple things. Operational feasibility in terms of airside at airport Limited no. of inflight crew, pilots, engineers restricting rotation and duty hours and probably hence the 4 flights a day per aircraft Back to top aeroblogger Member Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Sumantra, why don't you route DEL-BLR-BOM? Some avgeeks in my family even routed PNQ-HYD-BLR-DEL just to try the 787 this weekend _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:22 pm    Post subject: Air India Dreamliner's in-flight entertainment system a game changer: Thales http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2012/09/25/283--Air-India-Dreamliner-s-in-flight-entertainment-system-a-game-changer-Thales-.html _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: aeroblogger wrote: Sumantra, why don't you route DEL-BLR-BOM? Some avgeeks in my family even routed PNQ-HYD-BLR-DEL just to try the 787 this weekend You are lucky to have a nice avgeek family I'm waiting for some official work to come by, so that I can do BLR/MAA/CCU from DEL soon. My father got lucky with his AI 020 and AI 701 being on the 787! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: VT-ANI was moved to outside the Charleston delivery center today, in preparation for delivery later this week. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Any reason for the staggered seating on the AI B787s. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top aeroblogger Member Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:38 pm    Post subject: HAWK21M wrote: Any reason for the staggered seating on the AI B787s. It allows more seats to be squeezed into the same floorspace. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger Back to top rajeev.jaya Member Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 193 Location: Chennai Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: any idea when the 787 will be used on the HYD sector. _________________ Rajeev Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:40 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: The 787 is to be deployed on the DEL - CCU route AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 Loads on the innaugral DEL-CCU-DEL run on 09/26 : AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 : 162 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 : 246 _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top rajeev.jaya Member Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 193 Location: Chennai Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:58 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: 747-237 wrote: The 787 is to be deployed on the DEL - CCU route AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 Loads on the innaugral DEL-CCU-DEL run on 09/26 : AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 : 162 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 : 246 Decent loads on the CCU sector. Heard the loads on the MAA and BLR routes are around 45-55% only !!! _________________ Rajeev Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: rajeev.jaya wrote: 747-237 wrote: 747-237 wrote: The 787 is to be deployed on the DEL - CCU route AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 Loads on the innaugral DEL-CCU-DEL run on 09/26 : AI020 DEL 1400 – CCU 1555 : 162 AI701 CCU 1700 – DEL 1910 : 246 Decent loads on the CCU sector. Heard the loads on the MAA and BLR routes are around 45-55% only !!! The flight that I took was chock-a-bloc. 100% in Y between DEL and BLR. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: VT-ANJ is scheduled to fly to Fort Worth, TX today (9/29) to get a paint job into full Air India colors. Hopefully ANI would have left CHS (scheduled early next week as of now) by the time ANJ gets back. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:00 am    Post subject: [sorry, repeat post from the AI news thread] Some AI updates, from the grapevine: - Possibly both 332s in action now, on 5xxx numbers (charters including Haj ones). At least, VT-IWA seen in the skies, I had spotted IWB on Fri night coming back form a Haj charter. - DXB starts today on the 787, possibly VT-AND, which is doing the DEL-BLR-DEL-CCU-DEL segments. ANH had been briefly indisposed, so AND had done the DEL-MAA-DEL-BLR-DEL runs, putting the first rotation back on the 320 series (Papa got an old 320 on 28 Sep, AI 020, DEL-CCU ) - VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Will be delivered 10/01, arrival in DEL 10/02 (as of now, that is). _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: sumantra wrote: VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Will be delivered 10/01, arrival in DEL 10/02 (as of now, that is). Will it be named Mahatma Gandhi ? Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: 747-237 wrote: sumantra wrote: VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Will be delivered 10/01, arrival in DEL 10/02 (as of now, that is). Will it be named Mahatma Gandhi ? Yeah, & no alcohol will be served aboard it ..... ever !!! _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: 747-237 wrote: DEL - DXB on the 787 starts 9/26. This is also the first intl route for the AI 787s. AI995 DEL 2025 – DXB 2220 AI996 DXB 0005 – DEL 0445 Hope no one bought a ticket - the planned 787 DEL - DXB route has now been scrapped ! Route commenced today 09/30. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: ameya wrote: sumantra wrote: VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Will it be named Mahatma Gandhi ? Yeah, & no alcohol will be served aboard it ..... ever !!! Ha ha, nice ones, Ameya, and 747-237! Perhaps, no non-veg food on it, on the delivery flight - it is a Tuesday! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:08 am    Post subject: sumantra wrote: 747-237 wrote: ameya wrote: sumantra wrote: VT-ANI possibly coming in on Tuesday Will it be named Mahatma Gandhi ? Yeah, & no alcohol will be served aboard it ..... ever !!! Ha ha, nice ones, Ameya, and 747-237! Perhaps, no non-veg food on it, on the delivery flight - it is a Tuesday! Cheers, Sumantra. yeah, no alcohol and non-veg is how it happens in Gujarat. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: Someone mentioned that the Windshield on the B787 had a paint touchup done....Or was it condensation...... _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! 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