Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  First look at Air India's 787-8s - Part II Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: If I remember right, it was being spoken of a long time ago that one of the main reasons for AI ordering the 787 was to provide direct international connectivity to a few destinations from places like MAA, HYD, AMD, BLR and CCU. I wonder what happened to that. In other words, to replace the A310s. But in the meantime all of those routes have either transferred to IX (IXE-DXB, COK-SHJ, etc.) or shut down altogether (COK-KWI, BOM-DOH). _________________ Yeah. Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Spiderguy252 wrote: The_Goat wrote: If I remember right, it was being spoken of a long time ago that one of the main reasons for AI ordering the 787 was to provide direct international connectivity to a few destinations from places like MAA, HYD, AMD, BLR and CCU. I wonder what happened to that. In other words, to replace the A310s. But in the meantime all of those routes have either transferred to IX (IXE-DXB, COK-SHJ, etc.) or shut down altogether (COK-KWI, BOM-DOH). No, not the A310 replacement. The plan that was being discussed a few years ago was that AI would have a hub in Europe, like 9W in BRU (FRA, MUC, BEG etc were all being thrown about as potential hubs) . They would then connect various cities in India via that hub, to North American destinations using 787s. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:53 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Air India starts DEL-FRA on the 787 on 10/15. AI 121 DEL 1330 – FRA 1755 AI 120 FRA 2130 – DEL 0945 _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Air India starts DEL-FRA on the 787 on 10/15. I suppose they're still hopeful that some booty-shaking with the new goodies at FRA - "look at me... see what I got" - coupled with "Allah ne naam se le le Lufthansa" will do the trick? _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top rutvij Member Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1390 Location: Skies of Fire! Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:21 am    Post subject: Vishal Jolapara clicked a nice Tarmac view of the Aircraft at it's base, something that we don't get to see at all, given the security paranoia! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Delhi Spotters report some disturbing interior kludges in Air India's new Dreamliners. My first reaction was, well, is this AI's old ugly lack-of-maintenance head rearing up again? A taped-over overhead bin on Princess ANI. [all credits with the photographer] http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/547048_10151245986466054_1248366138_n.jpg Air India's `New Hope' ANH also reported similar sightings on its first revenue flight, DEL-MAA. This is something which even the AI maintenance of the 1980s/1990s would find it hard to do on a brand-new plane. Apparently Boeing has had some shoddy interior jobs on the 787s, and Al-Baker has had misgivings about the QR one, which I hear has not yet flown to DOH. On the other hand, Delhi Spotters report some sullen members of the cabin crew on one DEL-CCU leg, and photocopied Safety cards. Hmm...that is not nice! Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top rutvij Member Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1390 Location: Skies of Fire! Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: ^ Well, there you have it ! The New AI at its very best. The pug marks make me feel like a CAT was called in to seal it. If it was shoddy job on part of Boeing, AI MX/Engg Team should have noticed it. They must have been too beejjee sightseeing around WA/SC. Anything of this sort being reported on ET/LAN/JAL/ANA ? Atleast, I haven't come across. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:42 pm    Post subject: Poor maintenance job............what are they thinking.....you have a new aircraft,take care of it.........even handprints can be removed....whats so tough. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:23 pm    Post subject: Yes, Rutvij and Meljoe, there is no excuse for leaving paw-prints on a repair job, and black-and-white photocopied safety cards handed out. These do not cost much - it just takes proper planning, and good work. I just hope this was one of `those' instances, and AI will get back to the `new' mantra, as we have seen of late, of that of things getting better. For the bins coming apart, these could have come about after the plane came back: I wonder if standard procedures look at random tests, or complete tests, wherein personnel check each and every interior part in every nook and corner. Or did Boeing know what to expect from AI, and...that is a scary thought. Bigger Mx issues: (this I quote from a prominent Delhi Spotter's post) the hydraulics failure on ANH after coming back from from CHS, the AC issue, and finally, the cargo door latch disintegration. ANA's initial period with the Dreamliner were not exactly smooth, the despatch reliability took a hit, from what we hear. I hope these are sorted out soon, as it is still a very new aircraft. And AI should get its act in order, with regard to small details, things which are very much in its control. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: ...continuing on my previous posts, complaints about the interior have been seen on QR and AI at least - we haven't heard much from the others. Boeing possibly has had problems with the interiors. Another prominent Delhi Spotter took this image (he is/was also a member of this forum) of VT-ANH, and to quote him, ``more like loosely-fitted Lego blocks just about holding together!'' http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557626_3877228934540_1581174086_n.jpg [All rights with the photographer] Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: 747-237 wrote: Air India starts DEL-FRA on the 787 on 10/15. AI 121 DEL 1330 – FRA 1755 Air India's first 787 long haul flight: VT-AND arrives at FRA as AI 121 on 10/15. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: The third SC built 787, VT-ANK had her first flight this morning (10/21). _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Air India 787 domestic ops on all existing & future routes have been extended till Dec 31, 2012. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:28 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: The third SC built 787, VT-ANK had her first flight this morning (10/21). The forth SC built 787, VT-ANL had her first flight yesterday (10/22). _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Currently there are three Air India 787s on the CHS flightline: VT-ANJ (2nd SC buillt), Painted VT-ANK (3rd SC buillt), Unpainted VT-ANL (4th SC buillt), Unpainted _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top harshwcam3 Member Joined: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 114 Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: Any idea on the whereabouts of VT-ANA, ANB, ANC. Are they still languishing in some corner of Paine field. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:53 am    Post subject: harshwcam3 wrote: Any idea on the whereabouts of VT-ANA, ANB, ANC. Are they still languishing in some corner of Paine field. They are undergoing "change incorporation" so it'll be a while before they are ready. Back to top Aseem Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: sammyk wrote: harshwcam3 wrote: Any idea on the whereabouts of VT-ANA, ANB, ANC. Are they still languishing in some corner of Paine field. They are undergoing "change incorporation" so it'll be a while before they are ready. now what is this change incorporation??? VT-ASJ _________________ [url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri] [/url] Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: Aseem wrote: now what is this change incorporation??? http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/first-modified-787-returns-from-change-incorporation-in-texas-364989/ While in San Antonio, the Airplane 23 underwent extensive changes including wholesale replacement of its environmental control system air-conditioning packs and modification of ducting and baffling in the aircraft's cabin, as well as motor and fan changes related and related software. Further, modifications were made to the aircraft's flight control system hardware and software, changing out the outboard ailerons, outboard and inboard flaps and flaperons, as well as making changes to the elevator and rudder systems. The aircraft now features a new wiring configuration, along with the fully certified version of the updated electrical power distribution system that was changed after a November 2010 fire aboard test aircraft ZA002. The first 65 787s that rolled off of the assembly line require some level of change incorporation before to pre-flight operations. Incidentally, the first 787 to not undergo change incorporation belongs to Air India. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:49 am    Post subject: harshwcam3 wrote: Any idea on the whereabouts of VT-ANA, ANB, ANC. Are they still languishing in some corner of Paine field. Along with ANE, & ANG. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Air India 787 domestic ops on all existing & future routes have been extended till Dec 31, 2012. DEL-LHR is being added to the Air India 787 long haul routes. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: 747-237 wrote: Air India 787 domestic ops on all existing & future routes have been extended till Dec 31, 2012. DEL-LHR is being added to the Air India 787 long haul routes. DEL-FRA has been extended till March 30, 2013. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:43 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Air India 787 domestic ops on all existing & future routes have been extended till Dec 31, 2012. Apparently, there won't be any other new domestic routes. From DEL, MAA, BLR, CCU - that's it. I was hoping for BOM...but not too many chances of that, it seems. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: So these brilliant minds at AI are plonking the 787s on 777 routes. Where will the 777s be deployed? Jaipur and Jamnagar? Back to top PAL@YWG Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 438 Location: YWG, Canada Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: AI should use 787 on DEL- CDG route which is currently using 77L. I am getting a 787 ride on DEL- CCU sector (AI 20) in Dec but would be nice to have 787 on CDG-DEL too Things may change from now till Dec though! Keeping my fingers crossed! _________________ Tally Sheet: 41 Countries ||55 Aircraft types ||60 Airlines ||75 Airports Back to top sumantra Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: So these brilliant minds at AI are plonking the 787s on 777 routes. Where will the 777s be deployed? Jaipur and Jamnagar? Sanjay, the 77Ls on the ground burn less taxpayers' money, which isn't too bad. From what I hear, the operating economics of the 77Ls and 77Ws in their current configurations have been a major factor in the route planning under Rohit Nandan. Horses for courses. PAL@YWG wrote: I am getting a 787 ride on DEL- CCU sector (AI 20) in Dec but would be nice to have 787 on CDG-DEL too Mr. Pal, don't we look forward to yet another fabulous trip report? On a different front, there is very little chance of having a 787 on a new domestic route, or a new international route apart from BOM-LHR and perhaps, DEL-LHR, from what I hear here. I had a AI 020-AI 701 combo targetted for 28 Oct'12 - 30 Oct'12, but this did not work out. The official meeting was cancelled . My wait to fly the Dream)liner domestically, gets longer. Cheers, Sumantra. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject: VT-ANK (3rd SC built) is currently being painted in Fort Worth. VT-ANL (4th SC built) is due to be painted in Fort Worth next week. VT-ANJ & VT-ANK are slated to be delivered to Air India in November. VT-ANL is (currently) slated to be delivered to Air India in December. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: sumantra wrote: Jaysit wrote: So these brilliant minds at AI are plonking the 787s on 777 routes. Where will the 777s be deployed? Jaipur and Jamnagar? Sanjay, the 77Ls on the ground burn less taxpayers' money, which isn't too bad. From what I hear, the operating economics of the 77Ls and 77Ws in their current configurations have been a major factor in the route planning under Rohit Nandan. Horses for courses. Then these geniuses need to change the configs of their 77Ls. Or sell them at a loss. Back to top aeroblogger Member Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: Then these geniuses need to change the configs of their 77Ls. Or sell them at a loss. They've been trying to get rid of the 77Ls for a while now... I don't think they have the capital to plow into a reconfig at this point. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: VT-ANJ & VT-ANK are slated to be delivered to Air India in November. http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindia/2012/10/31/air-india-seeks-250-million-loan-to-pay-for-dreamliners/ Air India Seeks $250 Million Loan to Pay for Dreamliners October 31, 2012 Air India Ltd. plans to take a bridge loan of up to $250 million to take delivery of two new Dreamliner planes from Boeing in November, a senior executive at the airline said Wednesday. The national carrier has asked banks and financial institutions to submit their offers for the loan by Nov. 9, the executive, who didn’t wish to be named, told Dow Jones Newswires. He said the loan’s tenure would range from six months to a year. The Air India executive said the company will seek additional loans when it takes delivery of more Dreamliner planes. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: VT-ANL (4th SC built) is on her way to Fort Worth today (11/04) to receive full Air India colors. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top aeroblogger Member Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:22 am    Post subject: Flew on UA's 787 today. The exit signs were colored red, and there were no additional safety demos. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: VT-ANL (4th SC built) is on her way to Fort Worth today (11/04) to receive full Air India colors. While VT-ANK (3rd SC built) returned to CHS today, after being painted at Fort Worth. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Meanwhile, the 5th SC built 787 for Air India, VT-ANM, has seen the light of day, and has been moved out onto the Charleston flightline today. Can't tell much from this, but she is one of the two pictured this morning. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:35 am    Post subject: News from the other side of the country with Air India related activity at KPAE. VT-ANE has begun the process to undergo change incorporation (what's that? - see above). She will be the next Everett built 787 to be delivered to Air India (after VT-ANH and VT-AND), sometime in 2013. Upcoming Air India 787s Charleston flightline: VT-ANJ (2nd SC built), Painted VT-ANK (3rd SC built), Painted VT-ANL (4th SC built), Being painted at Forth Worth VT-ANM (5th SC built), Unpainted Everett flightline: VT-ANE (3rd Everett built to be delivered to AI), undergoing change incorporation _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:34 am    Post subject: According to Air India's commercial director, the reason BOM does not figure in AI's 787 domestic route plans is the lack of a 787 compatable jetway at BOM's domestic terminal, and the airline does not want to use the international terminal for domestic runs. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: According to Air India's commercial director, the reason BOM does not figure in AI's 787 domestic route plans is the lack of a 787 compatable jetway at BOM's domestic terminal, and the airline does not want to use the international terminal for domestic runs. Suddenly their against using buses and stairs? Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:23 am    Post subject: sammyk wrote: Suddenly their against using buses and stairs? Only for their shiny new toy, apparently. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: According to Air India's commercial director, the reason BOM does not figure in AI's 787 domestic route plans is the lack of a 787 compatable jetway at BOM's domestic terminal, and the airline does not want to use the international terminal for domestic runs. Does not make sense......more likely reason would be lack of bays in the domestic airside to accomodate the B787....Then still the parking could be on the international side and pax ferried from the domestic terminal as others do. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: Air India has issued a new tender for bridge financing for the next 2 x 787s (ANJ / ANK) due to be delivered this month. In all likelyhood, this will cause a delay in delivery. http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tender/RFP-Bridge%202012.pdf _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. 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