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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Also axed is the BLR-IXM route. Heard it was doing poorly except during weekends _________________ <a><img></a> |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: |
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SG has been playing around with its schedule pretty often, as I have mentioned before as well.
This will result in negative sentiment in the market. What eventually happens is that the sales people themselves are not aware as to how long a flight would operate and just give up in the market.
They are blessed that IT is out of action but dont seem to make the most of the situation.
This however also indicates that their capacity to sustain losses is very low at the moment |
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Karan69 Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Yup, I wanted to book tickets to ATQ for November , my dates were fixed since July however SG was not showing the flight for sale in November up until the 21st September , which is quite late IMO
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: |
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abhijith16 wrote: | Also axed is the BLR-IXM route. Heard it was doing poorly except during weekends |
SG has been tinkring with their schedules too often offlate and this route started only recently being axed completely.
Also not able to understand the logic of operating 3X daily with 737 to CJB and IXM. _________________ Rajeev |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: SpiceJet rethinks business model for smaller planesPage Menu |
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Source http://www.yourmoneysite.com/news/2012/oct/spicejet-rethinks-business-model-for-smaller-planes.html
The government's policy of increasing regional air connectivity could be hit as a result of a DGCA decision to allow airports to levy parking charges on small aircraft. Bloomberg TV India learns that this could result in SpiceJet altering its strategy on small aircraft routes.
On one hand, the government is trying to push regional connectivity in the interest of overall growth of the aviation sector and on the other, one sees the government allowing airport operators like Delhi Airport to charge landing fee on smaller aircraft - planes that have less than 80 seats, which were earlier exempted.
Bloomberg TV India has learnt from sources that both Mumbai Airport and AAI that manages and operates 126 airports and 329 airstrips are asking the government to allow it to levy landing charges on smaller aircraft. This will obviously discourage airlines to connect smaller cities with metros who found an incentive with the exemption on charges.
So, SpiceJet and Jet Airways are likely to be impacted. Spicejet has a fleet of 12 Bombardier Q400 planes; it had placed order for 30 bombardier Q400s in August 2011- these 12 for now accounts for 25% of its fleet. With growing concerns of additional charges now, sources say that SpiceJet may have to tweak strategy of smaller planes. It may re-evaluate its business model for smaller planes.
At a glance:
Another worry for Spicejet
Sources
- DIAL implements Rs 10,000 landing charge for sub-80 seat aircraft
- Other airports likely to follow with landing charge on small aircraft
- DGCA removes earlier exemption on small aircraft
- Charge on small aircraft hits government's regional connectivity push
SpiceJet's small planes rethink
Top Mgmt Sources Say
- May have to tweak strategy of smaller planes
- May re-evaluate biz model for smaller plans
- Plans to have 30 Bombardier aircraft in fleet _________________ Rajeev |
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theflyingsikh Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Hay Guys,
Any info when did Spicejet launch Bombay-Chandigarh-Bombay (non stop) flights? _________________ Aerosexual...! |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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theflyingsikh wrote: | Hay Guys,
Any info when did Spicejet launch Bombay-Chandigarh-Bombay (non stop) flights? |
14 sept |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | theflyingsikh wrote: | Hay Guys,
Any info when did Spicejet launch Bombay-Chandigarh-Bombay (non stop) flights? |
14 sept |
Is the route still on. _________________ Rajeev |
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abhigopal Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: Delays Recently |
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Any idea why so many SG flights are getting delayed nowadays, especially out of MAA / BLR. I have seen that this occurs mostly with the Bombardier Q400 aircraft, but also with 737 fleet sometimes. |
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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rajeev.jaya wrote: | abhijith16 wrote: | Also axed is the BLR-IXM route. Heard it was doing poorly except during weekends |
SG has been tinkring with their schedules too often offlate and this route started only recently being axed completely.
Also not able to understand the logic of operating 3X daily with 737 to CJB and IXM. |
Their logic is hard to understand. They now have 2 flights daily on the HYD-Madurai route (is there that much traffic ?), and removed the TRV leg from HYD-CCJ flights. Now the flight is only HYD-CCJ-HYD. I thought this flight was primarily for TRV passengers !! |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:54 am Post subject: |
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iah87 wrote: | rajeev.jaya wrote: | abhijith16 wrote: | Also axed is the BLR-IXM route. Heard it was doing poorly except during weekends |
SG has been tinkring with their schedules too often offlate and this route started only recently being axed completely.
Also not able to understand the logic of operating 3X daily with 737 to CJB and IXM. |
Their logic is hard to understand. They now have 2 flights daily on the HYD-Madurai route (is there that much traffic ?), and removed the TRV leg from HYD-CCJ flights. Now the flight is only HYD-CCJ-HYD. I thought this flight was primarily for TRV passengers !! |
Though it shown 2 flights in the schedules for the HYD-IXM route, it is actually only 1 flight at 940 AM which proceeds onwards to CMB and returns back to HYD at around 1615 from Madurai. The other timing is actually the old timing which is still showing in the schedules.
Also strange that SG is not marketing HYD-CMB as it is actually a one stop service direct flight on a single aircraft, rather they offer HYD-CMB via MAA !!! _________________ Rajeev |
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Karan69 Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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@ Rajeev
It could be to do with Immigration
They would have to operate the HYD-IXM flight from the international side of the terminal , might not have got permission from HYD Airport or IXM airport would be over capacity
Just guessing
Karan |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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News papers claim Spicejet will launch BLR-IXG(Belgaum)-BOM with Dash8 - 400 effective from November 15. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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Karan69 Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thats one of the former air deccan routes.good to see it get back online |
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747-237 Member
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ameya Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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So the international expansion is on hold ?
Since bookings have not opened, its certain that HK, Guangzhou, Tashkent, Male, etc is not coming online soon.
I suppose the 2 birds with NAS would also be back soon if not already
Any idea when the next deliveries are ? |
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Karan69 wrote: | @ Rajeev
It could be to do with Immigration
They would have to operate the HYD-IXM flight from the international side of the terminal , might not have got permission from HYD Airport or IXM airport would be over capacity
Just guessing
Karan |
Getting permission from HYD airport is generally easy and the airport is big enough to accomodate. Not sure about Madurai, but it is still the same aircraft, it would not be overcapacity. Since there is an open bilateral between Indian and Sri Lanka, they can easily market this as a one stop flight. |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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SG 151 & 152 will not be a south bound flight from Mumbai from 29th Oct onward. Instead of South, it will now head up North
Mon/Wed/Fri
SG 151 will be DEL-STV-BOM-ATQ-SXR & SG 152 SXR-ATQ-BOM-STV-DEL
Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun
SG 151 will be DEL-STV-BOM-IXC-SXR & SG 152 SXR-IXC-BOM-STV-DEL
The existing Q400 service between ATQ/IXC-SXR will be cxld. ATQ-SXR will reduce to 3pw while IXC-SXR will increase to 4pw
BOM-IXE will be a seperate service
SG341 BOM1230 -1400IXE/SG344 IXE1515 - 1645BOM
IXE-BLR will be dropped
All effective from October 29. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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iah87 wrote: | Karan69 wrote: | @ Rajeev
It could be to do with Immigration
They would have to operate the HYD-IXM flight from the international side of the terminal , might not have got permission from HYD Airport or IXM airport would be over capacity
Just guessing
Karan |
Getting permission from HYD airport is generally easy and the airport is big enough to accomodate. Not sure about Madurai, but it is still the same aircraft, it would not be overcapacity. Since there is an open bilateral between Indian and Sri Lanka, they can easily market this as a one stop flight. |
I guess they wanted to target IXM-CMB market alone. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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SpiceJet have added a new B737-800 w/l to the fleet today, as VT-SZB.
Here she is leaving BFI on her way home.
_________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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ameya Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Those are the changes for WS-12 eff this sunday
I guess the afternoon slot which was earlier JAI and later IXC from BLR has now been used for IXE
Also, the first time that a BOM-ATQ service would operate directly |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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MAA-TRZ is dropped effective from 29 October _________________ <a><img></a> |
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theflyingsikh Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | Those are the changes for WS-12 eff this sunday
I guess the afternoon slot which was earlier JAI and later IXC from BLR has now been used for IXE
Also, the first time that a BOM-ATQ service would operate directly |
This means. Now Atq is connected to Bombay with two daily flights. One non-stop with SG and the other one-stop service with 9W.
My parents travelled Atq to Bom on the 9W and said the flight was full and not many people got off in Delhi that morning.
Recently 9W service has been converted into a full service flight. When my parents travelled it was 9W konnect.
Guess 9w is doing well on this sector. But good to see some competition now.
Good Luck Spicejet. _________________ Aerosexual...! |
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theflyingsikh Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Guys any information when did Spicejet cancell the Nanded service? This is not available to book online and does not even appear on SG destinations map. _________________ Aerosexual...! |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:51 am Post subject: |
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SG dropped BOM-NDC from Sep 12, Then dropped NDC altogether in October.
So Spicejet's total tally:-
36 Domestic & 4 International
Dropped Domestic Destinations:- Nanded, Trichy, Nagpur (please add if I've missed any) _________________ <a><img></a> |
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theflyingsikh Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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abhijith16 wrote: | SG dropped BOM-NDC from Sep 12, Then dropped NDC altogether in October.
So Spicejet's total tally:-
36 Domestic & 4 International
Dropped Domestic Destinations:- Nanded, Trichy, Nagpur (please add if I've missed any) |
Hay Abhijith16,
Thanks for the information. _________________ Aerosexual...! |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:39 am Post subject: |
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The winter schedule is a pathetic utilization of Q400s in DEL
DEL-ATQ-DEL x 2 daily
DEL-IXC-DEL x 3 D
DEL-DED-DEL x2 D
DEL-JLR-BOM-JLR-DEL
DEL-IDR-DEL
Have they relocated one bird to south ?
Additionaly they intend to launch PAT/BBI and all such stations
And obviously recently closed NDC and few more in the south |
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sumantra Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | Additionaly they intend to launch PAT/BBI and all such stations. And obviously recently closed NDC and few more in the south |
Any update on PAT's runways' status: has PAT finally been downgraded?
NDC: So G8 is the sole operator now...
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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sumantra wrote: | ameya wrote: | Additionaly they intend to launch PAT/BBI and all such stations. And obviously recently closed NDC and few more in the south |
Any update on PAT's runways' status: has PAT finally been downgraded?
NDC: So G8 is the sole operator now...
Cheers, Sumantra. |
PAT continues to be as it is.
AAI n DGCA says shut the damn airport, State says they will prune the trees
When - all entities are silent |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | The winter schedule is a pathetic utilization of Q400s in DEL
DEL-ATQ-DEL x 2 daily
DEL-IXC-DEL x 3 D
DEL-DED-DEL x2 D
DEL-JLR-BOM-JLR-DEL
DEL-IDR-DEL
Have they relocated one bird to south ?
Additionaly they intend to launch PAT/BBI and all such stations
And obviously recently closed NDC and few more in the south |
BBI is intended to be connected to DEL and CCU as per the winter schedule uploaded on DGCA site. _________________ Rajeev |
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Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Indian budget carrier SpiceJet Ltd. may buy more aircraft as it looks to increase the number of its local and international flights, its top executive said Tuesday.
The airline may consider buying aircraft from Boeing Co. as well as Airbus, SpiceJet Chief Executive Neil Mills said.
He added that the airline currently has 36 Boeing and 12 Bombardier Q400 planes, but it could buy Airbus aircraft if it gets a good deal.
He didn't give any timeline for the purchase plan.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578088403918724038.html _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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Devesh Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:26 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | Indian budget carrier SpiceJet Ltd. may buy more aircraft as it looks to increase the number of its local and international flights, its top executive said Tuesday.
The airline may consider buying aircraft from Boeing Co. as well as Airbus, SpiceJet Chief Executive Neil Mills said.
He added that the airline currently has 36 Boeing and 12 Bombardier Q400 planes, but it could buy Airbus aircraft if it gets a good deal.
He didn't give any timeline for the purchase plan.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578088403918724038.html | Yeah right. SpiceJet buying A320s. Guys, I have a few bridges to sell you.
Insiders at SpiceJet tell me, they aren't even looking at MAX right now. Deliveries of the Q400 are bogged down in financing. I think Neil Mills is just trying to gauge the pulse of Boeing by throwing an A320 bogey. _________________ ----------------------
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ameya Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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SG is still at a stage where it can shift from one type to another pretty quickly
As I understand the Q400 deal, it was to be financed by Bombardier. Apart from the loans and financing, SG itself is not sure how to use them.
Keeping aside the talk of growth coming from tier 2 , tier 3 and what not, the fact remains that these markets are price sensitive and would rather go by bus or train (VGA-HYD, VTZ-HYD, IXM-BLR, etc)
Besides the Q400 are showing lower utilization which is bound to burn cash for SG |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:16 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | SG is still at a stage where it can shift from one type to another pretty quickly
As I understand the Q400 deal, it was to be financed by Bombardier. Apart from the loans and financing, SG itself is not sure how to use them.
Keeping aside the talk of growth coming from tier 2 , tier 3 and what not, the fact remains that these markets are price sensitive and would rather go by bus or train (VGA-HYD, VTZ-HYD, IXM-BLR, etc)
Besides the Q400 are showing lower utilization which is bound to burn cash for SG |
HYD-VTZ is a reasonably good route having great potential. Remember, it was among the very few profitable routes for AI. SG is making a killing on this route. _________________ Rajeev |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: |
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AI profitable routes has got a lot to do with the LTC / Government traffic.
Almost all the routes which shows substantial government traffic, military and paramilitary included, are showing profitable for AI.
Eg: PNQ - with such a large base of central institutes, and the services setup, with just 2 flights (2nd started last winter) the flights go full at high fares and turn profitable as compared to private carriers which make seasonal loss.
VTZ again has a lot of military traffic as is the case with certain sectors in the NE |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Devesh wrote: | Insiders at SpiceJet tell me, they aren't even looking at MAX right now. Deliveries of the Q400 are bogged down in financing |
Interesting - so I wonder why SG is struggling on their Q400s? Would the ATRs have been a cheaper/better option for them? Is SG able to command a premium for the Q400s (given they consume approx 25% more fuel and cost a similar amount more than the comparable ATRs)? Or is this just SG not being able to figure out which routes to launch with the Q400s? I would have thought that routes like MYQ etc. would have been started by now. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | Devesh wrote: | Insiders at SpiceJet tell me, they aren't even looking at MAX right now. Deliveries of the Q400 are bogged down in financing |
Interesting - so I wonder why SG is struggling on their Q400s? Would the ATRs have been a cheaper/better option for them? Is SG able to command a premium for the Q400s (given they consume approx 25% more fuel and cost a similar amount more than the comparable ATRs)? Or is this just SG not being able to figure out which routes to launch with the Q400s? I would have thought that routes like MYQ etc. would have been started by now. |
It all has to do with the planning of routes. ex Instead of 3 boeings on the MAA-IXM/CJB routes, deploying 6X Q's would make more sense and better yields. _________________ Rajeev |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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SG has dropped HYD-IXU. Is this permanent or a temporary cancellation.
Dont think SG has a specific plan for their Q's. _________________ Rajeev |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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rajeev.jaya wrote: | SG has dropped HYD-IXU. Is this permanent or a temporary cancellation.
Dont think SG has a specific plan for their Q's. |
In all probabilities they would drop IXU altogeather then !
DEL-IXU is not as lucrative as well.
The LF has been lower than 70% across the year and now they have AI + 9W already on the route
I have said this before and I repeat, SG is not able to sustain itself with Qs |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | rajeev.jaya wrote: | SG has dropped HYD-IXU. Is this permanent or a temporary cancellation.
Dont think SG has a specific plan for their Q's. |
In all probabilities they would drop IXU altogeather then !
DEL-IXU is not as lucrative as well.
The LF has been lower than 70% across the year and now they have AI + 9W already on the route
I have said this before and I repeat, SG is not able to sustain itself with Qs |
How are the other routes with Q's doing. Lot of tampeing with the timings of IXE as well.
Looking at their schedules, they are dumping a lot of capacity at MAA. _________________ Rajeev |
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