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ameya Member
Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, now another thing
The aircraft does HYD-BLR-SOMETHING-BLR-CJB-BLR-SOMETHING-BLR-HBX-BLR-HYD
Need to find out these 2 SOMETHINGS |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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They may be to TRV or IXG? Or will hold the IXE-BLR flight after 27 October? _________________ <a><img></a> |
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rajeev.jaya Member
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 193 Location: Chennai
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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abhijith16 wrote: | Ameya, you beat me to it!
Also beginning from 27th April, BLR-CJB
SG1081 BLR1225 - 1310CJB DH8 D
SG1082 CJB1330 - 1415BLR DH8 D
SG is also increasing BLR-HYD to 2x Daily, with the new flight being operated by the Q400. |
BLR-HYD is already double daily @ 10.10 and 21.00 something _________________ Rajeev |
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rajeev.jaya Member
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Posts: 193 Location: Chennai
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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MAA goes 4 times daily from 27th Sep.
VTZ-BLR will be at 10.20 instead of the eve. dep. So which a/c does the VTZ-TIR route as the route is still on.
Lot of tinkering with the Q routes at too frequent intervals _________________ Rajeev |
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Nimish Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Cool - good to see the new schedule connecting BLR and HBX! _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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sri_bom Member
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2365 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: |
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SpiceJet delays delivery of three Bombardier aircraft to Delhi
12-Sep-12 10:12 AM
SpiceJet CEO Neil Mills noted the impact of increased airport charges at Delhi, stating, “We were going to receive all seven Bombardier aircraft soon, but to begin with, we have taken only four for Delhi and want to see how it goes. The earlier plan was to take the risk of fielding the seven machines from the Delhi airport. But now, with the user development fees (UDF) as a proportion of tariff becoming so high in the short-haul sector, there is too much risk sitting on the company” (Business Standard, 12-Sep-2012). GMR Group CFO Airports Sidharath Kapur said: “SpiceJet is a valued customer; but, if they don’t want to fly more aircraft from Delhi, it’s their call. The new rates are for all.” He added the increased airport charge and UDF was not more than 8-9% of the fare. “The additional burden of higher parking and landing charges would not be more than Rs 40 per passenger, while UDF and ADF together will be around Rs 400, while their average fare is about Rs 5,000,” he said. |
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Devesh Member
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 564 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:45 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | SG 1087 BLR 19:50 20:45 HBX 21:05 22:00 BLR SG 1088 | Solves only one end of the need. KFA used to have a flight leaving BLR in the morning to HBX. Then on to BOM. Doing a circuit and returning back in the evening BOM-HBX-BLR. Thus allowing BLR and HBX passengers options for same day return.
If I have to do HBX overnight, I might as well take the train. _________________ ----------------------
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747-237 Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11363 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom
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sri_bom Member
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2365 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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SpiceJet to raise salaries by 5-10%
14-Sep-12 9:17 AM
SpiceJet CEO Neil Mills said the carrier will raise salaries by 5-10%, reflecting increased living costs (TNN, 13-Sep-2012). Mr Mills said employees on lower salary grades will gain a large increase, stating, "Cost of living is going up and no hike would have meant that employees are effectively earning less than last year. I can't hold my loader responsible for the aviation industry woes or rise in cost of living." The decision is in stark contrast to the situation at Kingfisher Airlines, where salaries are yet to be paid for Apr-2012, with similar issues at Air India. |
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con spirito Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 577 Location: Inflight
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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sri_bom wrote: | SpiceJet to raise salaries by 5-10%
14-Sep-12 9:17 AM
SpiceJet CEO Neil Mills said the carrier will raise salaries by 5-10%, reflecting increased living costs (TNN, 13-Sep-2012). Mr Mills said employees on lower salary grades will gain a large increase, stating, "Cost of living is going up and no hike would have meant that employees are effectively earning less than last year. I can't hold my loader responsible for the aviation industry woes or rise in cost of living." The decision is in stark contrast to the situation at Kingfisher Airlines, where salaries are yet to be paid for Apr-2012, with similar issues at Air India. |
Good move! _________________ India is one of the richest countries in the world.
The only problem is........all the wealth is distributed in the wrong hands. |
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I was reading through some reviews on Skytrax (Yep, I do that sometimes), and came across this:
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SpiceJet customer review : 23 July 2011 by Siddhant Verma (India)
Customer Rating : 0/10
SpiceJet from Hyderabad-Delhi. My sister had booked a ticket for me using an international credit card but when she realised the ticket should be booked using Indian credit card if the ticket owner is not travelling, she managed to get an Indian credit card from her friend and called customer care of SpiceJet and made the payment using the Indian credit card. When I reached check-in I was told I can't board the flight because payment had been made using a credit card of someone else. They didn't listen to me, we had checked 4-5 times with the airline when making the payment that this would be okay. I was harassed by the staff and they asked me to pay the money in cash. Finally they took cash and asked me to sign a declaration and only then could I board the flight. When I reached home and called their customer care they just said, sorry it's our system's fault. |
Does this qualify as a legal offence? _________________ Yeah. |
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aeroblogger Member
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's definitely illegal. The author of that SkyTrax review would probably win a lawsuit, if he mounted one. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger |
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Aseem Member
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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They and for that matter any vendor can refuse third person credit card. It is a method of preventing fraud/theft. Not sure if they're equipped to verify the authorization by the owner of the card.
VT-ASJ _________________ [url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri]
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sri_bom Member
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2365 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:56 am Post subject: |
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SpiceJet to launch service from Surat to Dubai
17-Sep-12 11:04 AM
SpiceJet plans to launch service from Surat to Dubai via Mumbai and Delhi (TNN, 16-Sep-2012). "SpiceJet operates daily flights to Mumbai and Delhi from Surat. Now, it is has decided to connect Surat with Dubai via Mumbai and Delhi. However, passengers who want to fly to Dubai can book tickets online or from the travel desk at Surat airport," the carrier said. |
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ameya Member
Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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sri_bom wrote: | SpiceJet to launch service from Surat to Dubai
17-Sep-12 11:04 AM
SpiceJet plans to launch service from Surat to Dubai via Mumbai and Delhi (TNN, 16-Sep-2012). "SpiceJet operates daily flights to Mumbai and Delhi from Surat. Now, it is has decided to connect Surat with Dubai via Mumbai and Delhi. However, passengers who want to fly to Dubai can book tickets online or from the travel desk at Surat airport," the carrier said. |
What non sence of a press release. It is like any other connection ! |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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There is more nonsense floating around in the Ahmedabad SSC forums, please! I have even heard crap like " I wish UNITED launch EWR-AMD with their 787s "
Please, it would not be called Trash of India, if it doesn't post crap like this _________________ <a><img></a> |
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ameya Member
Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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abhijith16 wrote: | There is more nonsense floating around in the Ahmedabad SSC forums, please! I have even heard crap like " I wish UNITED launch EWR-AMD with their 787s "
Please, it would not be called Trash of India, if it doesn't post crap like this |
Completely agree, due to paucity of time I have been missing out on the SSC entertainment.
Without commenting on other forums, I would like to re-iterate how places like AMD are super price sensitive markets, with realistically a INR 100 increase can shift loyalties, amongst claims that there is traffic.
I had an opportunity to go meet the travel agents few years ago, met the top 10 agents in AMD and figured out that it is chicken and egg problem. They say launch flights, people will come.
( Read : Launch flights, people wont come, then drop fares, then people will come )
For the existing flights, the RASK is lowest on DEL-AMD and they still complain that pricing is an issue. |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, you can't seem to drill this into their heads.. Rishul tried and failed miserably, with some going on to calling him spreading "Anti-AMD propaganda"! They come up with absurd claims that PNQ was launched by political influence(correct me if I'm wrong), and going to comparing how many 5-star hotels there were in Pune and Ahmedabad! I kind of sympathize Rishul...
Haha, If only they knew running an airlines was a risky business. India is sadly a price-sensitive market. They would rather stop at hubs like DOH,DXB, AUH rather than use direct flights when there is a difference of just over Rs100. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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Spiderguy252 Member
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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abhijith16 wrote: | Unfortunately, you can't seem to drill this into their heads.. Rishul tried and failed miserably, with some going on to calling him spreading "Anti-AMD propaganda"! They come up with absurd claims that PNQ was launched by political influence(correct me if I'm wrong), and going to comparing how many 5-star hotels there were in Pune and Ahmedabad! I kind of sympathize Rishul...
Haha, If only they knew running an airlines was a risky business. India is sadly a price-sensitive market. They would rather stop at hubs like DOH,DXB, AUH rather than use direct flights when there is a difference of just over Rs100. |
Where did this discussion take place? Any links? _________________ Yeah. |
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me111993 Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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The best possible comment i've ever heard from them is that the central govt cancels all flight requests for AMD because they're scared that AMD will take all traffic away from Mumbai, and that 40% of intl traffic out of BOM is from AMD.
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=810150&page=95
link to pg 95, this drama started from pg 30. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze.
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Caliguy Member
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 723 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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BOM benefits from having much more premium demand. This allows for cheaper econ seats than say to AMD. Also people forget that many US based Gujus chose AI because they get to stop for free in BOM. Many of those families are split between gujarat and bombay and might also have business interests in bom even if the remaining family lives in AMD. |
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abhijith16 Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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me111993 wrote: | The best possible comment i've ever heard from them is that the central govt cancels all flight requests for AMD because they're scared that AMD will take all traffic away from Mumbai, and that 40% of intl traffic out of BOM is from AMD.
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=810150&page=95
link to pg 95, this drama started from pg 30. |
Correction:- This drama started when AJ came into the thread, if you know who I mean!
Meanwhile, crappers (oops, forumers) have said politicians hampered Surat's air connectivity, even going far as to claiming that if STV became an fully fledged airport, it would steal a huge chunk of the traffic!!
I just love these retards! I'm going through those posts right now! _________________ <a><img></a> |
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747-237 Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11363 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:51 am Post subject: |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/SpiceJet-to-ship-in-fuel-from-Singapore/articleshow/16469640.cms
SpiceJet to ship in fuel from Singapore
Sep 20, 2012
Low-cost carrier SpiceJet is all set to become the first Indian airline to directly import aviation turbine fuel (ATF) or jet fuel. The airline will ship in consignments of ATF from Singapore to two south Indian ports and then send them by trucks to airports wherever logistically possible. The move comes as ATF prices for domestic flights are currently at an all time high and SpiceJet — which spends about Rs 200 crore a month as fuel expense — expects substantial saving through direct imports.
"We will know the exact savings after one or two cycles of ATF import. Before that I would not like to hazard a guess. The average sales tax levied by states on jet fuel is 24% and the maximum saving could be that percentage," SpiceJet CEO Neil Mills said, adding that the process would begin as soon as the airline gets one final clearance from the government. Initially, the airline wants to meet 25%-30% of its demand through import.
"In July, August 2008, crude was at $150 and the exchange rate was Rs 38 to a dollar. At that time, ATF prices were the highest. Now, crude is at $113 but rupee is down to Rs 56 to a dollar and jet fuel is costliest ever. Apart from that, oil companies price ATF 10%-15% higher than what the price should be hiked proportionately. Then there is sales tax that averages at 24%. All these factors together means a tough cost environment for airlines," Mills said.
What's worse, airlines point out that India exports over half of the jet fuel here and a substantial part goes to the Gulf. Still, Indian carriers are looking at direct import. "After the latest hike, our fuel bill has gone up 7.7% or by Rs 50 lakh a day. The cost environment is getting progressively worse instead of improving," said Mills. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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This will be tricky right - I can't imagine AAI/ BIAL etc. allowing a 3rd party to come in and provide fuel without the commission in the airport makes on the whole deal. Anyway - good luck to SG and anything they can do to reduce costs must be welcomed. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Low Cost Carrier (LCC) SpiceJet has sought government nod to fly to 10 new destinations, majority of which are in the former Soviet Union and China, as per a TOI report by Saurabh Sinha. These include places like former Kazakh capital Almaty, Uzbek capital Tashkent and Chinese Special Administered Region (SAR) Macau. The airline will launch flights to Chinese SAR Hong Kong next month along with Guangzhou, informed Neil Mills, CEO, SpiceJet. Furthermore, the airline will bring Male, Riyadh and Dhaka on its network soon.
"We follow a blue ocean strategy for international flights which means flying to places where not too many airlines go. We would like to fly to more points in China," Mills said. At present, no Indian carrier flies to the former Soviet republics, while their airlines have started flying to India. Similarly, Guangzhou and Macau are not on the network of any other Indian carrier. _________________ Rajeev |
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Karan69 Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | Ok, now another thing
The aircraft does HYD-BLR-SOMETHING-BLR-CJB-BLR-SOMETHING-BLR-HBX-BLR-HYD
Need to find out these 2 SOMETHINGS |
Those two something's seem To be MAA
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aeroblogger Member
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 788 Location: PVD, HYD, IXE
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:39 am Post subject: |
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rajeev.jaya wrote: | Low Cost Carrier (LCC) SpiceJet has sought government nod to fly to 10 new destinations, majority of which are in the former Soviet Union and China, as per a TOI report by Saurabh Sinha. These include places like former Kazakh capital Almaty, Uzbek capital Tashkent and Chinese Special Administered Region (SAR) Macau. The airline will launch flights to Chinese SAR Hong Kong next month along with Guangzhou, informed Neil Mills, CEO, SpiceJet. Furthermore, the airline will bring Male, Riyadh and Dhaka on its network soon.
"We follow a blue ocean strategy for international flights which means flying to places where not too many airlines go. We would like to fly to more points in China," Mills said. At present, no Indian carrier flies to the former Soviet republics, while their airlines have started flying to India. Similarly, Guangzhou and Macau are not on the network of any other Indian carrier. | I'm very impressed with SG's expansion strategy... It's doing what AI ought to be doing. _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: |
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aeroblogger wrote: | I'm very impressed with SG's expansion strategy... It's doing what AI ought to be doing. |
Don't speak too soon, so far it seems to be all talk and no action.
A route to China, eh? I'll believe it when I see it. _________________ Yeah. |
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aeroblogger Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | aeroblogger wrote: | I'm very impressed with SG's expansion strategy... It's doing what AI ought to be doing. |
Don't speak too soon, so far it seems to be all talk and no action.
A route to China, eh? I'll believe it when I see it. | They've launched Kabul...
I agree, more action would be nice, but they're going somewhere... _________________ Editor of AeroBlogger |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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aeroblogger wrote: | Spiderguy252 wrote: | aeroblogger wrote: | I'm very impressed with SG's expansion strategy... It's doing what AI ought to be doing. |
Don't speak too soon, so far it seems to be all talk and no action.
A route to China, eh? I'll believe it when I see it. | They've launched Kabul...
I agree, more action would be nice, but they're going somewhere... |
How is the Kabul route doing. _________________ Rajeev |
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rajeev.jaya Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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SpiceJet launched its inaugural flight to Colombo from Madurai on Thursday with much fanfare. But what many did not know was that the usual Trichy-Chennai SpiceJet was cancelled on the same day. Passengers speculated that this Chennai-Trichy-Chennai SpiceJet was diverted to Madurai-Colomobo-Madurai, and the neglect of Trichy's airport was complete as Friday's Chennai-Trichy-Chennai service too was cancelled.
Denying that the Trichy flight was diverted to Colombo, a SpiceJet manager said, "There were many cancellations on Thursday due to technical reasons." A ticketing staff said fewer than 12 passengers had been booked on the Trichy-Chennai 70-seater flight on Thursday, and it was cancelled due to commercial reasons. Those passengers who had booked on SpiceJet on Thursday and Friday were refunded. However, the Saturday flight would resume as scheduled, said the staff. There are three flights to Chennai from Trichy daily; SpiceJet operates one at 5.30, and the other two services are operated by Jet Airways at 3.50 pm and 7.30 pm respectively. Kingfisher, that was operating to Colombo and Chennai until five months ago, has been grounded indefinitely.
Passengers are worried that Trichy is slowly and steadily being neglected since the PM announced that it would be elevated to an international airport, feel residents of the city. Moreover, this airport does not as yet operate domestic services to cities like Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Delhi, Pune, Cochin, Coimbatore or even Trivandrum. Indigo, India's low-cost carrier that operates two daily services to New Delhi via Chennai and Mumbai, has yet to land in Trichy. _________________ Rajeev |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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rajeev.jaya wrote: | SpiceJet launched its inaugural flight to Colombo from Madurai on Thursday with much fanfare. But what many did not know was that the usual Trichy-Chennai SpiceJet was cancelled on the same day. Passengers speculated that this Chennai-Trichy-Chennai SpiceJet was diverted to Madurai-Colomobo-Madurai, and the neglect of Trichy's airport was complete as Friday's Chennai-Trichy-Chennai service too was cancelled.
Denying that the Trichy flight was diverted to Colombo, a SpiceJet manager said, "There were many cancellations on Thursday due to technical reasons." A ticketing staff said fewer than 12 passengers had been booked on the Trichy-Chennai 70-seater flight on Thursday, and it was cancelled due to commercial reasons. Those passengers who had booked on SpiceJet on Thursday and Friday were refunded. However, the Saturday flight would resume as scheduled, said the staff. There are three flights to Chennai from Trichy daily; SpiceJet operates one at 5.30, and the other two services are operated by Jet Airways at 3.50 pm and 7.30 pm respectively. Kingfisher, that was operating to Colombo and Chennai until five months ago, has been grounded indefinitely.
Passengers are worried that Trichy is slowly and steadily being neglected since the PM announced that it would be elevated to an international airport, feel residents of the city. Moreover, this airport does not as yet operate domestic services to cities like Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Delhi, Pune, Cochin, Coimbatore or even Trivandrum. Indigo, India's low-cost carrier that operates two daily services to New Delhi via Chennai and Mumbai, has yet to land in Trichy. |
Agreeing on one point of the article :- Trichy is losing flights from both international and domestic corner. The recent withdrawal of IX's MAA-TRZ-AUH and TRZ-BOM. Plus the loss of non-stop TRZ-KUL/SIN is hitting them very hard. Feeling sad for Trichy at the moment.
However, I completely disagree with the fact that the TRZ-MAA sector was cancelled to accomodate SG's IXM-CMB. Plain crap. SG operates a HYD-IXM-CMB routing. Why did they ever wonder this would not happen? Cancellations happen frequently. This isn't anything new. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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TRZ is much closer to MAA with multiple overnight connections. Its less than 350 kms which is a driving distance so there would always be limited traffic.
Also, is HYD CMB ticket being sold via IXM ? |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | TRZ is much closer to MAA with multiple overnight connections. Its less than 350 kms which is a driving distance so there would always be limited traffic.
Also, is HYD CMB ticket being sold via IXM ? |
Regardless of which, there was a huge amount of traffic flying MAA-TRZ, IX reported their MAA-TRZ to go 80% full! Add to this the huge amount of Tamilians in the Gulf + Singapore/KL, it's a recipe for success!
No, HYD-IXM is on seperate flight number. Any passenger travelling HYD-CMB will be routed through MAA _________________ <a><img></a> |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/dgca-asks-spicejet-to-start-flying-to-kargil-17875
DGCA asks SpiceJet to start flying to Kargil
The airline declines on the ground that the terrain is unsafe
September 28, 2012
The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) has asked SpiceJet Ltd to start passenger flights to Kargil in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K). This move has been resisted by the budget airline on the grounds that it’s unsafe, as per a Live Mint report by Tarun Shukla.
The DGCA Deputy Director of Air Safety wrote to Neil Mills, CEO, SpiceJet last fortnight, asking the carrier to connect Srinagar with Kargil, according to a government official who declined to be named. The DGCA spokesperson wasn’t available for comment despite several attempts to reach him. The government official said DGCA considers that only Bombardier Q400 turboprop planes can meet the criteria for landing at the Kargil airfield. SpiceJet is the only carrier in India with Q400 planes.
Safety experts believe that the conditions at Kargil, set in the Himalayas, are such that lives will be put at risk. “The terrain in the region makes it a completely visual conditions flight with low clouds,” the government official said, which means that pilots have to depend on their eyes to be able to land and not on their instruments. “How can this flight go?” he added.
“DGCA is actively pursuing us to start the flight, which is fundamentally unsafe. Who will be responsible if there is a crash? It is complete craziness,” said a SpiceJet official.
Typically, it’s up to the airline to choose where it wants to fly as long as the routing conforms to the regulator’s rules. Other airlines such as Jet Airways (India) Ltd and Air India Ltd also have smaller turboprop aircraft but these don’t meet the specifications that qualify a plane for landing in Kargil.
The government official said some DGCA officials have flown in a small Jammu and Kashmir state government aircraft to Kargil and now SpiceJet is being asked to conduct a test flight. The initial safety assessment of Kargil by these DGCA officials had said “commercial operations to Kargil aerodrome on Q400 aircraft type are not recommended for many reasons”. It said the normal maximum rate of descent for the flight should 1,200 feet per minute during the final approach but has to be sharper 2,000 feet per minute because of mountains. Given the terrain, the onboard automatic safety system will issue warnings, asking pilots to “pull up”.
Bombardier Inc. said the aircraft can land in airfields at an altitude of up to 10,000 feet. Kargil is at a height of 9,604 feet above sea level. Leh, at an altitude of 11,562 feet, is India’s highest airfield in use, with daily regular commercial flights. “The Q400 is certified by all major national authorities, including Transport Canada, the FAA (Federal Aviation Authority) and of course the Indian DGCA to operate from airfields with an altitude of 10,000 feet, well in excess of its primary competitor’s ability,” Bombardier’s spokesperson said in an email from Toronto.
The decision to connect Kargil seems to have been taken by DGCA under political pressure, said Mohan Ranganathan, Air Safety Expert and Member of the Civil Aviation Safety Advisory Council. “Theoretically, the aircraft may meet the performance criteria (for Kargil) but the hills surrounding the runway makes it dangerous,” he said.
He stated, “Whoever cleared civil flight operations to Kargil should read the Colgan Air crash report, where icing conditions not recognised by the crew resulted in the fatal accident.” He was referring to a Q400 that crashed near Buffalo, New York, in 2009 killing all 49 people on board and one person on the ground. “It appears that the DGCA is under political pressure to commence flights to Kargil. The airfield is unfit for civilian flights. If a fatal accident takes place, there is no accountability. We will be left with dead bodies,” he said. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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[i]DGCA asks SpiceJet to start flying to Kargil
The airline declines on the ground that the terrain is unsafe
Safety experts believe that the conditions at Kargil, set in the Himalayas, are such that lives will be put at risk. “The terrain in the region makes it a completely visual conditions flight with low clouds,” the government official said, which means that pilots have to depend on their eyes to be able to land and not on their instruments. “How can this flight go?” he added.
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Doesn't the IAF regularly do Jammu-Kargil using AN-32s? Why can't the Q400s do it then? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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The_Goat wrote: | 747-237 wrote: |
[i]DGCA asks SpiceJet to start flying to Kargil
The airline declines on the ground that the terrain is unsafe
Safety experts believe that the conditions at Kargil, set in the Himalayas, are such that lives will be put at risk. “The terrain in the region makes it a completely visual conditions flight with low clouds,” the government official said, which means that pilots have to depend on their eyes to be able to land and not on their instruments. “How can this flight go?” he added.
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Doesn't the IAF regularly do Jammu-Kargil using AN-32s? Why can't the Q400s do it then? |
1. An-32's engines are a lot powerful that Q-400's.
2. They usually do IXC-Kargil/Leh/Thoise.
3. Money. I am not sure Kargil-Srinagar/Jammu flight will be economical or not.
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As per Spicejet W12 Schedule, BOM-TRV is completely axed _________________ <a><img></a> |
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abhijith16 wrote: | As per Spicejet W12 Schedule, BOM-TRV is completely axed |
Ever VTZ - TIR is also compeltely axed.
Where can we view the complete W12 schedule. _________________ Rajeev |
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abhijith16 Member
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rajeev.jaya wrote: | abhijith16 wrote: | As per Spicejet W12 Schedule, BOM-TRV is completely axed |
Ever VTZ - TIR is also compeltely axed.
Where can we view the complete W12 schedule. |
They don't update their flight schedules quite often. You will need to wait for sometime. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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