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http://www.livemint.com/Companies/fMr6ZHG6y18GVc0NaiiS7N/TataSingapore-Airlines-orders-Airbus-A320s-for-India-launch.html

Tata-Singapore Airlines orders Airbus A320s for India launch: sources

The full-service carrier will take up to 20 A320s worth $1.83 billion at list prices

Jan 09 2014

Singapore Airlines Ltd (SIA) has picked Airbus SAS’s A320 aircraft over Boeing Co.’s 737 for the launch of its Indian airline joint venture with Tata Sons Ltd, sources familiar with the decision said.

The full-service carrier will take up to 20 A320s worth $1.83 billion at list prices. The planes will be sourced from leasing companies, rather than purchased direct from Airbus.

A project team set up by Singapore Airlines evaluated both aircraft and decided to place orders for the A320, two sources said. The decision extends the European planemaker’s domination of India’s single-aisle aircraft segment.

A Singapore Airlines spokesman referred queries to the joint venture’s office in India, while an Airbus spokesman in Singapore said: “We do not comment on commercial discussions with existing or potential customers.”

The new airline, which has not yet been formally named, is expected to begin operations in the second half of this year. It has begun recruiting pilots and is close to confirming its top executives, including a Singapore Airlines executive as its chief executive officer.

The airline applied for a “no-objection certificate” from India’s civil aviation ministry and an air operators’ certificate from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation in late December.

Edit: Title of thread changed to add official name.

The_Goat · Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:56 am Post subject:

Given that they are getting them from leasing companies, they should be able to start operations rather quickly.

The article also suggests that DEL-BOM and DEL-BLR will be the first routes.
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ameya · Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:57 am Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:19 pm Post subject:

Unless mistaken.....I feel the fleet would comprise of A320/A330/B777s

This is one start up awaited by thpose in the Industry too...very keenly Smile

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The_Goat · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:58 am Post subject:

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[quote="The_Goat"]Given that they are getting them from leasing companies, they should be able to start operations rather quickly.

The article also suggests that DEL-BOM and DEL-BLR will be the first routes.[/quote

I dont if this is bad karma or not, Kingfisher also started these first routes and Kingfisher was also a full service airline.

The_Goat · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:52 am Post subject:

behramjee · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:51 pm Post subject:

Though I understand the commercial logic of keeping costs low with a standardized fleet, I would have still opted for a mix fleet of A321s and A320s for the 20 unit order as this is a full service airline and not LCC.

The A321s in 2 classes would seat 174 pax approx where as the A320 would seat 140. This is in a proper J/Y class layout with 16J class seats. You are here getting 24% more capacity for only 8% more total operating costs and this additional capacity is required on the main trunk route BOM-DEL as well as the longer domestic flights such as DEL-MAA.

Also A320s more easily available in the used market place at competitive prices versus B738s which are now commanding a premium dry leasing monthly rate approximately 10-15% more than the A320 !
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d3vski · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject:

Really look forward to this venture starting out. It's got solid backing in the form of the Tatas and SIA.

Hopefully will make Jet realise what a bonkers decision they made to become a feeder for Etihad.

Long term wishful thinking is that Tata-SIA merge with Air India under the control of Tata-SIA.

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:50 am Post subject:

Interested to note what they decide to name the carrier in the months to come.
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747-237 · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:14 pm Post subject:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/22/aviation-finance-india-idINDEEA0L07V20140122

BOC to lease Airbus jets to new Indian airline - sources

Jan 22, 2014

Singapore-based BOC Aviation looks poised to supply aircraft to India's latest airline as new players jostle to capture growth in Asia's third-biggest economy, two industry sources said.

The move is an important step in plans by Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines (SIAL.SI) to set up a full-service airline to compete for business amid India's crowded low-cost market.

Industry sources who asked not to be named said the deal, or a significant part of it, was expected to go to BOC Aviation, the aircraft leasing subsidiary of Bank of China.

BOC Aviation and Airbus declined to comment.

"At this moment all that we can confirm is that Tata-SIA will be taking 20 A320 Airbus aircraft on a lease basis," a spokesman for the airline said by email.

747-237 · Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:34 pm Post subject:

BOC Aviation Pte said it is in final talks to lease 20 Airbus Group NV A320 aircraft to a new Indian airline founded by Singapore Airlines Ltd. (SIA) and Tata Group.

“We are on schedule in terms of timing,” BOC Aviation’s Chief Executive Officer Robert Martin said in an interview in Singapore today. “I can say that planes that we have are ready to go in the fourth quarter.”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-14/boc-aviation-set-to-lease-planes-to-tata-singapore-air-venture
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747-237 · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:06 am Post subject:

http://www.aviationpros.com/news/11317074/tata-singapore-airlines-seeks-catchy-brand-name

Tata-Singapore Airlines Seeks Catchy Brand Name

February 24, 2014

Tata Sons Ltd and Singapore Airlines Ltd's (SIA) joint venture has asked advertising agencies to create a catchy new brand name that will reflect the freshness of the proposed full-service airline instead of using the established and trusted Tata or Singapore Airlines brands.

The proposed airline, which is awaiting final clearances from the government, has approached two advertising agencies to suggest a new brand name ahead of its launch, according to two people close to the development who declined to be named.

The new name will not bear the names of the two partners, but will reflect freshness and connect to Indian flyers, said one of the people cited above.

"Tata-SIA has asked (two advertising agencies) to explore a different and fresh name," said the second person cited above. "Nothing has been finalized about naming the airline." The branding will happen only after achieving certain milestones including receiving clearances from the government, he added.

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abhijith16 · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:48 am Post subject:

Caliguy · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:00 am Post subject:

i think TATA should go for a mix on their J class. some planes with a US style F class seat and the rest the European way of first three rows with more leg room and middle seat empty and table coming down on that middle seat. This way it can swing to meet market needs. For most flights all you need is 36" pitch a nice meal and the ability to board first. Also think they should go the us route of upgrading high tier elites on domestic routes if there is space and if they buy at least a mid level economy fare

The_Goat · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject:

Forget the name , the TATA-SIA JV needs to ensure they have the right managers with proper accountability in place.....
This is a very tricky business industry and if not handled properly can be counterproductive quite rapidly.
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iflytb20 · Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:49 am Post subject:

How about Tapori airlines Razz

It's catchy.
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747-237 · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:24 pm Post subject:

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/d5GmOly5bh9i5TNcHroKaP/Tata-SIA-Airlines-project-cleared-by-aviation-ministry.html

Tata SIA airline venture cleared by aviation ministry

The airline now needs a permit from the regulator DGCA to start operations

Apr 02 2014

The aviation ministry on Wednesday gave its clearance to Tata SIA Airlines, the joint venture between Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines Ltd, taking it a step closer to the start of operations. “The proposal has been cleared today and there are no hitches now,” a top ministry official said, requesting anonymity.

The airline now needs a permit from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), the industry regulator, to start operations.
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http://www.livemint.com/Companies/ZvQ5S2nqKoqnO6huoBUnoO/TataSIA-airline-venture-eyes-October-launch.html

shivendrashukla · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:50 am Post subject:

Tata-SIA JV applies for schedule licence

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Star Alliance could be interested in Tata-SIA
News
5-May-2014 11:51 AM
Star Alliance CEO Mark F Schwab reportedly indicated that the alliance, which is scheduled to induct Air India into the alliance in Jul-2014, is considering Tata-SIA as a second Indian member into the alliance (TNN, 05-May-2014). Singapore Airlines is currently a Star Alliance member. Mr Schwab however said there were no talks between Star and SIA-Tata at present, stating: "It is too early to comment on how the proposed Tata-SIA would be like. Yes we want another member airline from India but have not zeroed in on which that would be".

rutvij · Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:34 am Post subject:

That would be the first time in *A history that they are looking to induct an airline group that hasn't even begun operations yet! And that too when both airlines are based out of the same city/airport. Just goes to show how much confidence they have in the new TATA-SIA Management. And also, so much bharosa on AI and its service standards, or the lack of. Smile

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:19 pm Post subject:

Can this airline fly international routes from the get go, or do they have to await the arrival of twenty aircraft and half-a-decade to fly by (pun intended) before they're extended the pleasure?
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abhijith16 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 5:56 pm Post subject:

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Nothing will be done until after the elections. In addition, I am sure the existing airlines do not want to change the rules, they would rather have Tata and other airlines wait for 5 years.

747-237 · Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject:

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/27835-first-a320-for-tata-sia-airlines-revealed

First A320 for Tata SIA Airlines revealed

Tata SIA Airlines will take delivery of cn 6311 as its first A320-200.
The Singapore Airlines subsidiary will source its fleet of twenty A320s from lessors, among which Singapore-based BOC Aviation is considered the strongest contender.

rutvij · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:48 am Post subject:

^ What a misleading title to the report!

Here we are discussing about the new born airline company seeking catchy names for its brand name, and someone reports new A320 "revealed" ! Got so excited. Smile

747-237 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 5:46 am Post subject:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/tata-sia-airlines-reveals-route-maps-for-first-4-years/articleshow/34854235.cms

Tata SIA Airlines reveals route maps for first 4 years

9 May, 2014

While the brand name is yet to be decided, work on other fronts has moved at a faster pace for Tata SIA. Its application states that the airline proposes to start operations by September 1, 2014. In its application, it has revealed the route network for the first four years of operations.

Tata SIA plans to operate from Delhi as its hub to Mumbai, Goa, Patna, Chandigarh, Srinagar, Hyderabad and Bangalore in its first year of operations, according to its submissions to DGCA. Initially, the airline is likely to have two flights a day to Mumbai, with one of them going onwards to Goa. The initial phase will also see two flights a day each to Bengaluru, Ahmedabad and Hyderabad.

Besides major metros, the airline will have one flight a day to Srinagar, Patna and Chandigarh and Jammu. The airline has plans for aggressive expansion. And according to its submissions to DGCA, it will add destinations like Chennai, Pune, Lucknow, Varanasi, Jaipur, Kolkata, Amritsar, Bagdogra, Indore and Cochin within the first four years of its operations.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tata-sia-plans-september-launch-114050801111_1.html

The airline’s application says it will use Airbus A320 and A320 Neo planes, which are being taken on dry lease from Wilmington Trust SP Services (Dublin) Ltd for six and 12 years, respectively. The carrier’s operations and maintenance base will be in Delhi. All flights, including linked ones, will originate from Delhi and all aircraft will return to Delhi for night halt, the application says.

The application also lists the airline’s “proposed route patterns” over the next four years. Its actual schedules might vary when it starts operations. In the second year, the airline will nearly double the number of flights to 168 a week, adding flights to Chennai, Lucknow, Pune, Varanasi, Jaipur, Gauwahati and Kolkata. It will add flights to Amritsar, Bagdogra, Indore in the third year and to Kochi in the fourth.

shivendrashukla · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 7:05 am Post subject:

Mods, Posed the above in wrong forum. I wanted to post the below story. Can you please move the above post to the correct forum Please. Thanks

DGCA fast-tracks nod to Tata-SIA airline

Spiderguy252 · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:07 am Post subject:

Nimish · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:25 am Post subject:

I hope Tata SIA does not get into all the showmanship of IT - and come down collapsing like them! It would be fabulous if they linked up with *A in the time to come, that would give us 2 domestic *A carriers to work with Smile

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HAWK21M · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject:

Strongly awaited launch in Aviation inner circle.
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shivendrashukla · Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 3:01 pm Post subject:

Singapore Airlines India joint venture eyes September launch

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So TATA SIA proposed routes are listed

http://www.dgca.nic.in/public_notice/PN-TATA%20SIA.pdf

No surprises - Exactly by the text book- follows Route Dispersal guidelines to the T.

Typical conservative TATA strategy with no fire works and homework well done.

The proposed route structure is an excellent primer for aspiring Indian airline network planners.

Well done.

However I am not believing that they wll wait for Year 5 to base another aircraft outside DEL. BOM and BLR should see aircraft based in Year 2 and HYD and CCU by Year 3.