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mayankarora1411
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| JustBala, that's for people to go try Premium Economy. |
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justbala
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| mayankarora1411 wrote: | | JustBala, that's for people to go try Premium Economy. |
Mayank - 9W offers similar discounted fares on J for people to try. But in all cases, there are lower Y fares available.
If people are opting for a higher fare Y over a lower fare P.E., then there is a marketing problem. I am guessing this also has to do with travel policies of various companies that purely look for "Cheapest Economy" fares only. |
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B-HOX
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| also open is BLR-BOM-BLR |
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justbala
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| B-HOX wrote: | | also open is BLR-BOM-BLR |
UK 889 DEL 0640 0930 BLR
UK 875 BLR 1010 1150 BOM
UK 850 BOM 1715 1855 BLR
UK 876 BLR 1935 2220 DEL
Starting June 16th. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| B-HOX wrote: | | also open is BLR-BOM-BLR |
Nice catch
BOM AMD (currently 2 daily) is being reduced to 1 daily.
Also open is twice daily DEL LKO (1 daily from 18th May, 2 daily from 16th June)
UK 927 DEL 0730 LKO 0840
UK 936 LKO 0925 DEL 1040
UK 970 DEL 1200 LKO 1305
UK 933 LKO 1355 DEL 1510 |
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ameya
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Vistara adds LKO & BLR to its network - Some Key Stats
Full service carrier Vistara – a JV of Tata Group & Singapore airlines, which is battling low Load Factors since it started flying in January, has announced its next phase of expansion. The airline will start services to Lucknow and Bengaluru effective 18th May and 16th June 2015 respectively. With this addition, the airline will fly to 10 destinations with a fleet of 6 aircraft.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| 15a wrote: |
BOM AMD (currently 2 daily) is being reduced to 1 daily.
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The timings of Vistara ex-AMD are strange. Cannot cater to the biz traveller and is too early for the Intl traveller transiting through BOM and DEL. not very convenient for namy tourists taking connecting flights/trains from BOM/DEL. Morning/Evening flights would attract more fliers. |
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ryder1650
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Vistara is so far on the path of Kingfisher. Extremely low load factors, forced to lower fares for even lower yields, and expanding quickly to highly competitive routes. |
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Caliguy
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| I just don't understand why Indian carriers don't try and grab and then hold FFs? If I was Vistara I would be giving business travelers a reason to come over to an airline that has low frequencies - double miles, free upgrades, status matches etc. All they have to do is copy what global airlines do. It works. And they can always stop offering the extra bonuses at any time (US airlines show the way here) |
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iah87
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This Tata airline has entered the Indian market when competition is fierce in all sectors. There are few sectors which have no competition, and even if there is Vistara is not flying there. In India, the vast majority of the passengers do not want to pay for premium economy or business class fares even if they can afford it.
Instead of copying the US airlines in how frequent flyer programs should run, they are copying other Indian carriers. Even Jet and AI have better FF programs. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | I just don't understand why Indian carriers don't try and grab and then hold FFs? If I was Vistara I would be giving business travelers a reason to come over to an airline that has low frequencies - double miles, free upgrades, status matches etc. All they have to do is copy what global airlines do. It works. And they can always stop offering the extra bonuses at any time (US airlines show the way here) |
Some things never change. When I first saw the details of their FF program, it was clear these guys are going down the 9W route. I doubt if any of these guys running this business really explored the world. It seems a very desi obsession to offer as little 'extra' as possible. And, like you said, you can always make a limited time offers, and take them away once a base of business travelers is built up.
Hopefully, they will do better that 9W in the long run for their sake and for our sake. But I am not too hopeful. |
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Vistara: India is a 'very late booking trend market'
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29-Apr-2015 11:08 AM
Vistara CEO Phee Teik Yeoh said the Indian market is different to other markets as it has a "very late booking trend market" (Business Standard, 29-Apr-2015). He explained: "A lot of passengers don’t book early unlike in other markets. I think it is an entrenched behaviour for far too long and this is something we have to get used to and adjust". On other market behaviour, he noted: "Contrary to what other airlines have made it out to be that they only go for lowest fares, Indian passengers are ready to pay a little more for comfort features. They appreciate the innovations we offer in the airlines. There is a whole range of different set of customers and there is a huge group of them, which demands quality." |
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Caliguy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The funny thing about India is that India knows how to do freebies, upgrades, enhancements really well - just to friends and family and not to $$$ customers |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | The funny thing about India is that India knows how to do freebies, upgrades, enhancements really well - just to friends and family and not to $$$ customers |
Sad but true - esp. true on AI, not sure if that happens on 9W as well - and there's hardly any other FSC around to dole out benefits on!
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:25 pm Post subject: Club Vistara's disasterous redemption Chart |
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Vistara seems to be wanting to turn a blind eye to the market reality, and just announced all the features of the Club Vistara program, where they will be offering minimum redemptions for 4000 CV points a sector. Have a look at the award chart https://www.airvistara.com/trip/clubVistara#redeem-points.
I also posted an analysis here.
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Caliguy
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Here's the best line from the T&Cs
A member can redeem an Award flight only for self.
Seriously??? So not even families. Vistara just wants to shoot itself in the foot. I find it hard to believe that SQ is coming up with this CRAP. Why not have an industry world class program, build your FF base and then SCREW your FF base once you make MONEY. Some times I feel like Indian aviation is in a twilight zone. I used to blame it mostly on the ME3 and corruption but here its just management. |
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It seems to me that all this Tata-SIA stuff was mere hoopla.
Basically both Tata and SIA seem to have handed the running of this venture to clueless, self-seeking managers, most of whom must be from defunct carriers like KF. They are all in it solely for the money, and have neither the passion for running a successful airline nor have learned anything about the business in spite of being in it for so long.
I hope I am proved wrong but it looks like Vistara will be the next Indian airline to bite the dust.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | Basically both Tata and SIA seem to have handed the running of this venture to clueless, self-seeking managers, most of whom must be from defunct carriers like KF. |
From what I know, the management has inexperienced people in charge (inexperienced with regard to the Indian scenario), and having SQ forcing decisions, does not help. There are many experienced people around in the country (including our forum: many have served in the industry for long), if only the SQ-led management would see sense in taking in people with the right experience in Indian conditions, and having such Indians at senior positions. I am gradually getting a strong distaste of the much-vaulted SQ and Changi management (the Durgapur-Asansol Andal airport project). I do not know why the Tatas are sullying their name with such projects (in the plural, because of the Air Aisa India link as well).
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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| sumantra wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: | | Basically both Tata and SIA seem to have handed the running of this venture to clueless, self-seeking managers, most of whom must be from defunct carriers like KF. |
From what I know, the management has inexperienced people in charge (inexperienced with regard to the Indian scenario), and having SQ forcing decisions, does not help. There are many experienced people around in the country (including our forum: many have served in the industry for long), if only the SQ-led management would see sense in taking in people with the right experience in Indian conditions, and having such Indians at senior positions. I am gradually getting a strong distaste of the much-vaulted SQ and Changi management (the Durgapur-Asansol Andal airport project). I do not know why the Tatas are sullying their name with such projects (in the plural, because of the Air Aisa India link as well).
Cheers, Sumantra. |
I dont know if I agree. Other than premium econ, vistara's mistakes all seem so very Indian. Look at Delta, they turn their investments into mini Deltas. SQ has done a great job of getting and retaining customers. I cant understand why in India they arent emulating what they know works (remember sq owns silk air so not just super premium travelers). I think the comment that its been handed over by tatas and sq to bumbling local management seems more likely. Btw your comment that you are hearing that sq management doesn't get india reminded me of AI staff sabotaging things through rumor rather than professionals trying to launch an airline. Unfortunatley (and i will admit its probably not a fair assessment), when i think of indian aviation management, I dont think of great skill. Instead its cronyism, free trips for someone's 8th cousin and stealing liquor that comes to mind. |
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sumantra
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | I dont know if I agree...vistara's mistakes all seem so very Indian. |
Sir, have a look at the people in the important positions. While you may not agree with me, I cannot reveal my sources: I have some information from people in the industry.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Vistara should considered a non meal flights similiar to 6E
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mayankarora1411
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Vistara launches 3x weekly BOM-GOIvv flights ex Jul 17. Daily from sometime in Sep. |
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HAWK21M
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Full fare travel on Domestic routes dont seem to be working out.
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Vistara: More than 5% of pilots are female
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Vistara head of human resources and corporate affairs S Varadarajan said the carrier has a "healthy gender ratio of around 50:50 and have observed that women employees play a key role in creating a competitive edge for the business" (Economic Times, 06-Jul-2015). He said its percentage of female pilots is lower than the average but Vistara expects this to improve. "We already have more than 5 per cent women pilots," Mr Varadarajan said. |
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