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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ I think this is just a v1 of the plan, the plan will certainly go through a lot of changes in the future - which might involve basing a/c elsewhere or different routes/ frequencies.
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Would be interested in their livery. Hoping, just like their name, it too would be fresh and unconventional.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would be interested in their livery. Hoping, just like their name, it too would be fresh and unconventional.

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They've put out a name? What is it?
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would be interested in their livery. Hoping, just like their name, it too would be fresh and unconventional.

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They've put out a name? What is it?


Not as yet! Was reading previous posts where it is mentioned that they are looking for a refreshing and innovative name.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would be interested in their livery. Hoping, just like their name, it too would be fresh and unconventional.

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And I hope it keeps reds and blues to the minimum. Almost all airlines have significantly used both these colors for their liveries.
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Would be interested in their livery. Hoping, just like their name, it too would be fresh and unconventional.

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And I hope it keeps reds and blues to the minimum. Almost all airlines have significantly used both these colors for their liveries.


Don't count on it.


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Not sure if its a coincidence, but blue in livery or name is a reason for profits these days Smile
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From: http://www.firstbiz.com/corporate/tata-sia-airline-to-lease-20-a-320-aircraft-to-to-begin-flights-in-september-86707.html

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The airline, which would use A 320-200 aircraft and A320-200 (Neo), proposes to start operations by September and plans to operate from Delhi as its hub to Mumbai, Goa, Patna, Chandigarh, Srinagar, Hyderabad and Bengaluru in its first year of operations.

Initially, the carrier plans to operate two flights a day to Mumbai, with one of them going further to Goa. The initial phase would also see two flights a day each to Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Hyderabad.

Besides the major metros, the proposed airline would also connect Srinagar, Patna, Chandigarh and Jammu. Under its aggressive expansion plans, the Tata-SIA Airlines proposes to add destinations like Chennai, Pune, Lucknow, Varanasi, Jaipur, Kolkata, Amritsar, Bagdogra, Indore and Cochin within the first four years of operations.

Tata-SIA has also disclosed its four-year operational plan to the government. In the first year of operations, it will mount 87 flights a week to 11 destinations. This will be gradually scaled up to 301 flights and 21 destinations in the fourth year of operations.

In its filing before the Director General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), the airline said it would initially engage in domestic and eventually launch international air services, apart from doing cargo handling, renting and leasing (except financial leasing) of aircraft and other services incidental to air transport services.


More on their planned routes in the article above. Also BOC confirms it's ready with the A320s around Sep-Oct this year. The Diwali season should have a new entrant in the Indian skies!
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From: http://www.firstbiz.com/corporate/tata-sia-airline-to-lease-20-a-320-aircraft-to-to-begin-flights-in-september-86707.html

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The airline, which would use A 320-200 aircraft and A320-200 (Neo), proposes to start operations by September and plans to operate from Delhi as its hub to Mumbai, Goa, Patna, Chandigarh, Srinagar, Hyderabad and Bengaluru in its first year of operations.

Initially, the carrier plans to operate two flights a day to Mumbai, with one of them going further to Goa. The initial phase would also see two flights a day each to Bangalore, Ahmedabad and Hyderabad.

Besides the major metros, the proposed airline would also connect Srinagar, Patna, Chandigarh and Jammu. Under its aggressive expansion plans, the Tata-SIA Airlines proposes to add destinations like Chennai, Pune, Lucknow, Varanasi, Jaipur, Kolkata, Amritsar, Bagdogra, Indore and Cochin within the first four years of operations.

Tata-SIA has also disclosed its four-year operational plan to the government. In the first year of operations, it will mount 87 flights a week to 11 destinations. This will be gradually scaled up to 301 flights and 21 destinations in the fourth year of operations.

In its filing before the Director General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), the airline said it would initially engage in domestic and eventually launch international air services, apart from doing cargo handling, renting and leasing (except financial leasing) of aircraft and other services incidental to air transport services.


More on their planned routes in the article above. Also BOC confirms it's ready with the A320s around Sep-Oct this year. The Diwali season should have a new entrant in the Indian skies!


We will finally have an Indian airline which is well managed , has a great full service product , a proper hub focus on DEL and one which will turn a profit .
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Hopefully they manage well
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why am I getting a feeling that the long term object of Tata-SIA is to acquire AI?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why am I getting a feeling that the long term object of Tata-SIA is to acquire AI?


As they say in Hindi - "tere muh mein ghee shakkar" Smile. I personally doubt it, given the GoI's traditional passion to have it's own NetJets fleet. However with the NDA govt. and it's stated "Less Government, more Governance" approach - selling AI would be an ideal option.
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himmat01 wrote:
Why am I getting a feeling that the long term object of Tata-SIA is to acquire AI?


As they say in Hindi - "tere muh mein ghee shakkar" Smile. I personally doubt it, given the GoI's traditional passion to have it's own NetJets fleet. However with the NDA govt. and it's stated "Less Government, more Governance" approach - selling AI would be an ideal option.


Even if the NDA govt offered it to Tata, why would they want it. They will have to deal with the unions. I dont see this for atleast a few years, or atleast until the time it takes for Tata to establish in the ultra competitive Indian market. Even Tata will feel the pain initially as there will be 7 carriers in the domestic market.
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http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/tata-sia-airlines-to-lease-20-a320-aircraft-to-launch-flights-24164

Tata SIA Airlines to lease 20 A320 aircraft to launch flights

June 03, 2014

Tata SIA Airlines Limited, which is yet to get a flying permit, will acquire at least 20 Airbus aircraft on lease from a Singapore-based firm to launch their operations in India by this winter. “Tata-SIA has placed orders for leasing of 20 Airbus A320s from us,” Claire Leow, Head, Investor Relations, BOC Aviation Pte. Ltd., told PTI in Doha. She said the deliveries of these aircraft are likely to start from the third quarter of this year "around September-October".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to be spoilsport but my gut feeling is that 9W, AI and maybe even some of the Gulf biggies, are going to pull out all stops to ensure that Tata-Sia doesn't get off the ground.

A well run, full service airline, operated by the most respectable name in Indian business in collaboration with a world leader and offering a quality product, is going to have a lot of people ganging up against it.

It will then be interesting to see how well the MoCA obeys NaMo's diktat about actively discouraging lobbyists.
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I hate to be spoilsport but my gut feeling is that 9W, AI and maybe even some of the Gulf biggies, are going to pull out all stops to ensure that Tata-Sia doesn't get off the ground.



Lalajee played this dirty trick back in the 1990s and succeeded but times have changed. Modi won't take any bull shit form Lalajee and the others.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hate to be spoilsport but my gut feeling is that 9W, AI and maybe even some of the Gulf biggies, are going to pull out all stops to ensure that Tata-Sia doesn't get off the ground.



Lalajee played this dirty trick back in the 1990s and succeeded but times have changed. Modi won't take any bull shit form Lalajee and the others.


beyond that, Tata - Modi are extremely good friends. And most of the regulation part is over, only the AOP is left.

But we must'nt get ahead of ourselves, let them start operations first, then we lay our hopes of a good solid airline on them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea on the Source of the A320s .....are these new equipment.
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Any idea on the Source of the A320s .....are these new equipment.


Leased was what I read somewhere.

Let's not overrate Modi and this airline; instead let's just sit back and watch how this thing unfolds over the next half-decade.
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In my opinion it would be good for the nation if Air India gets sold to Tata-SIA. AI is not exactly a model airline, but it has some assets - planes, rights to fly certain routes, maintenance facilities, airline counters and such, and may be 30% of employees who are performing at the required level. By eliminating a major competitor the Tata run airline can prosper.

We may need a few more airlines to combine or disappear. There is not a market for 10 airlines, at least in the domestic sector.

All the major airports in India have got already got revamped or are in the process of getting a facelift - Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkota, Chennai, Bengaluru, Ahmedabad and Hyderabad. There should be at least 2 long runways in the above airports that can handle any type of aircraft in any weather. Widebodies should be able to take off without any payload restrictions. Let them start non-stops to all parts of the globe from India. That would make the gulf carriers redundant.
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Board clears Phee Teik Yeoh as Tata-SIA’s first CEO

Yeoh was divisional vice-president at Singapore Airlines before shifting to Gurgaon late last year to head Tata SIA


The airline is planning to be prudent with aircraft induction. It will have five Airbus A320s within a year of the date of its launch.


http://www.livemint.com/Companies/97xXocKciznnqVvRBFR6zO/Board-clears-Phee-Teik-Yeoh-as-TataSIAs-first-CEO.html
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This may be good news for some.

Tata SIA to go on hiring spree ahead of launch



The venture between Tata sons and Singapore Airlines will begin a major recruitment drive in a couple of days, hiring engineers, security personnel and cabin crew as it prepares itself for launching in the October-December quarter.

“We have received several applications but haven’t entertained them yet. The recruitment for these positions will start now,” said a spokesman for the airline. The salt-to-software conglomerate holds 51 per cent in the joint venture while Singapore Airline holds the rest.

Tata’s other airline venture with Malaysian carrier AirAsia will operate its first India flight on Thursday. Tata-SIA currently has a team of 20 top and second rung executives of the airline, most of whom have been recruited from either partner.

The top management includes Phee Teik Yeoh, ex- vice president at the parent airline’s IT division, as CEO; Giamming Toh, ex chief of the airline’s India division, as its head of commercial; Niyat Baru, former finance chief of Tata Realty and Infrastructure as CFO; Varadarajan Srinivasan, former HR head of Tata Teleservices, will head HR and corporate strategy; SIA captain Roshan Joshi will head flight operations while Rajinder Singh, also ex-SIA will head engineering services.

The airline has already shortlisted several pilots, mostly by connecting them from social media sites such as Linkedin.com and will have at least six sets of pilots by the time the airline is launched. It has leased 20 planes Airbus A320 planes.

The carrier plans to start operations with two planes and scale up to five. Tata-SIA airline is currently undergoing an audit by the Director General of Civil aviation before it is allowed an air operator’s permit. The company has appointed Ogilvy and Mather to help it finalise a brand name, but no decision has been made yet, said the spokesman.



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The airline has already shortlisted several pilots, mostly by connecting them from social media sites such as Linkedin.com and will have at least six sets of pilots by the time the airline is launched.


This part doesn't sound too professional, eh? Sounds like something the likes of Air Costa would do.
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The airline has already shortlisted several pilots, mostly by connecting them from social media sites such as Linkedin.com and will have at least six sets of pilots by the time the airline is launched.


This part doesn't sound too professional, eh? Sounds like something the likes of Air Costa would do.


I believe it is because they haven't got themselves a proper name yet. I doubt they are going to be called Tata-Sia Airways.

To have a website or to run newspaper ads, they need a name first. It is better, for the time being, to sound out potential employees through social media sites.

Which actually begs the question - what are they going to be called??
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Which actually begs the question - what are they going to be called??


True, they had better sort this triviality out real quick. What's in a name, if they've gotten ahead with a solid lease agreement for a batch of A320s and other such clearances?
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The airline has already shortlisted several pilots, mostly by connecting them from social media sites such as Linkedin.com and will have at least six sets of pilots by the time the airline is launched.


This part doesn't sound too professional, eh? Sounds like something the likes of Air Costa would do.


This is actually very professional and expected these days. It's the lowest cost of hiring, and gets folks who might be happily employed and Tata-SIA considers as good, not those desperate for a job.

Many companies follow the Linked in approach these days, and the ads in papers like ToI Ascent have come down from a 14 page pull out to a 4 page pull out.
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The_Goat wrote:
The airline has already shortlisted several pilots, mostly by connecting them from social media sites such as Linkedin.com and will have at least six sets of pilots by the time the airline is launched.


This part doesn't sound too professional, eh? Sounds like something the likes of Air Costa would do.


Since when did LinkedIn become a social networking site? Last I used it, it was still a Professional Networking website, and used quite considerably for recruitment purposes by companies the world over!
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http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Tata-SIA-expects-operator-permit-next-month--brand-name-in-Aug/1262474

Tata-SIA expects operator permit next month, brand name in Aug

“Few steps are left, like the proving flight by our own pilots. We expect to get the AOP by July, and the planes (Airbus A320s) will start coming from August. In the first year of operations, we will have five aircraft, increasing it to 20 over the first four years,” the official said.

He added, “We have appointed agencies to select a brand name, which we hope to announce in early August”.
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This is one welcomed Addition to the Industry......most will be keen on joining up.
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Dual brands are not the norm but there is precedent for this.

Comair in South Africa operate a full service carrier (as BA) under a franchise licence and a low cost carrier (kulula.com).

Looking forward to the Tata - SIA operation.
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DGCA dismisses objections against Tata SIA paving way for grant of AOP

July 9, 2014

The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) today disposed off objections clearing the decks for grant of an air operator's permit to Tata-Singapore Airlines (Tata-SIA) to start greenfield operations in the country.


"We had received six objections against Tata-SIA. We have disposed of all objections. With this the airline's application for AOP has been held valid and the permit will be issued as soon as all procedural requirements are met", said a senior official in DGCA.

The application for AOP, however, will be considered subject to the final order of the Delhi High Court where a hearing is scheduled on July 11 on the issue of permitting foreign direct investment (FDI) in greenfield airlines in India.

There were primarily two board objections raised against grant of AOP to Tata-SIA. The first objection pertained to the issue of allowing FDI in start-up airlines. The official added, "The issue is sub-judice before the Delhi High Court. Besides, the FIPB (Foreign Investment Promotion Board) has already clarified that FDI in airlines will be permitted in greenfield ventures. Given that, it was not within out jurisdiction to decide on the issue again."

Secondly, objections were raised related to apprehensions over whether the substantial ownership and effective control of the airline would remain in Indian hands given that SIA is a joint-venture partner.

There are three norms which were required to be addressed by Tata-SIA to address this concern. Their principal place of business had to be in India (the airline in head-quartered in Delhi). The chairman and two-thirds of the directors have to be Indian (Tata-SIA at present has a three-member board comprising two Indians chairman Prasad Menon and director Mukund Rajan; the other director Mak Swee Wah is a citizen of Singapore).

Another official explained, "Tata-SIA has said that the chairman of the airline would always be an Indian and be appointed by Tata Sons. They have also assured us that even if the board is reconstituted in future two-thirds of directors would be Indians appointed by Tata Sons. Effective control would therefore remain in Indian hands." Given that the airline met all laid-down norms, the regulator disposed off the objections raised against Tata-SIA.

Tata-SIA is currently in the process of completing documentation required for grant of AOP. The airline would subsequently have to demonstrate to the regulator its preparedness in operations, in flying commercially. The airline expects to take to skies in September this year.

DGCA, had on May 6, sought comments from industry stakeholders regarding the grant of AOP to Tata-SIA. The regulator had said at the time that the application of Tata-SIA for an AOP would be taken into consideration after the expiry of 30 days of issue of public notice and disposal of objections or suggestions.
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Tata-SIA Airline is to commence operations with an A320 SL registered VT-TTB.
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When Tata-SIA starts operations I feel that Tatas should get out of Air Asia India. They should instead try to take over Air India which is now a Star Alliance member.
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When Tata-SIA starts operations I feel that Tatas should get out of Air Asia India. They should instead try to take over Air India which is now a Star Alliance member.


The Government has made it very clear that AI will not be privatised. So good luck with that.

Besides there is only one thing that sensible business houses like the Tatas would want to do with an inefficient, bureaucrat run slobbery mess with a Rs 30000 Crore liability on its head, and that is, to avoid it like the plague.

Tata-SIA may be the second Star Alliance member in India.
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http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tata-sia-to-have-new-brand-identity-114071501057_1.html

Tata- SIA to have new brand identity

July 15, 2014

Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines, which has partnered to launch a full-service airline in the country by October this year, is going to unveil an all new brand identity for their proposed carrier later next month. Tata SIA Airlines Limited would not draw on the names of either of the parent companies. Simply put, the new airline will not have the Tata or the SIA name.

A spokesperson of the airline confirmed the development.

The new brand name is expected to be announced sometime in the first half of August. The airline would have one aircraft in India by early September and launch operations latest by October this year. The initial plan is to begin services in five cities and then go up to eleven cities within a year of operation. The airline will have 87 weekly flights and these will link Delhi with Mumbai, Goa, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Jammu, Srinagar, Patna and Chandigarh.

Sources in the know say that while the airline will mainly have a business and economy class configuration, it might have an additional product offering in between the economy and the business class.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Tata-SIA-eyes-October-launch-with-2-3-planes/articleshow/38584132.cms

Tata-SIA eyes October launch with 2-3 planes

The JV's original plan was to start operations from September 1, a date that has now got pushed back slightly. The launch is likely to be much before Diwali (October 23) as the festive rush begins weeks in advance.

The JV expects its first plane, an Airbus A-320, in September and plans to start operations a month later by when it would have two to three planes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a fake pic doing the rounds of facebook groups !

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Tata SIA Airlines Limited would not draw on the names of either of the parent companies. Simply put, the new airline will not have the Tata or the SIA name.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is a fake pic doing the rounds of facebook groups !

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Tata SIA Airlines Limited would not draw on the names of either of the parent companies. Simply put, the new airline will not have the Tata or the SIA name.


Also note, the test reg is F-WWDT not F-WWDA as shown. The a/c ordered is an A320-232SL (IAE V2500, sharklet) not an A320-214SL (CFM sharklet).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is this airline going to be called???

They have all their plans in place and are even recruiting people, but still no name. Isn't that weird?

The one thing that should not happen is SIA having a say in the naming. They'll end up with something more suited to potato chips or trainers like Raffles or Scoot!
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