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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/tata-sia-gets-ready-for-proving-passenger-flights-in-september/articleshow/38889982.cms
Tata-SIA gets ready for proving passenger flights in September
23 Jul, 2014
Tata-SIA Airlines has told the aviation regulator that it would be ready to conduct a demonstration in September to prove that it can operate passenger flights, an official at the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) said.
Its plan to carry out the proving flight in mid- or end-September means the joint venture between the Tata Group and Singapore Airlines would miss its initial target to launch flight operations on September 1.
Tata-SIA representatives conveyed the plan on the proving flight to the DGCA on Monday. "They have told us that the proving flight can be conducted either in middle or end-September and they are expecting their first aircraft in the first week of September," said the DGCA official. An airline spokesperson confirmed the development. |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | Tata-SIA Airline is to commence operations with an A320 SL registered VT-TTB. |
The future VT-TTB. No livery yet.
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | Tata-SIA Airline is to commence operations with an A320 SL registered VT-TTB. |
The future VT-TTB. No livery yet.
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It has VT-TTB painted under the wing already.
Can't wait for the livery and name!
Guessing time: Could it be Tata Trans Bharat Airlines? (TTB) _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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stealthpilot Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | Can't wait for the livery and name! |
Same here .... within 2-3 weeks right? _________________ eP007 |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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stealthpilot wrote: | The_Goat wrote: | Can't wait for the livery and name! |
Same here .... within 2-3 weeks right? |
Quote: | http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tata-sia-to-have-new-brand-identity-114071501057_1.html
The new brand name is expected to be announced sometime in the first half of August. |
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lavence7 Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | Tata-SIA Airline is to commence operations with an A320 SL registered VT-TTB. |
The future VT-TTB. No livery yet. |
Isn't it high time they chose something. Not even 2 months left now before they begin.
And more importantly, will they be a "blue" carrier or "red" carrier, or choose something else. |
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747-237 Member
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Caliguy Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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So I've had to launch some new businesses here in the states. My guess is they haven't announced the name as they are trying to either (1) purchase a brand already owned by someone else or (2) are trying to trademark the name in several countries. I assume they have a second choice name that is fully cleared and ready to go if their idea name doesn't work out. Just my 2 cents |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Well, the Kingfisher trademark is for sale. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: | Well, the Kingfisher trademark is for sale. |
Why? You want them to close down even before they start operating
They would rather call themselves Tower Air. Most people in India at least, don't associate that name with a disaster of an airline. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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Jeh Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps they're trying to bring back Vayudoot |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Perhaps they're trying to bring back Vayudoot |
Naming oneself after a flop show isn't good marketing is it, however appealing the name itself may sound?
I think the 'TB' in VT-TTB is actually the shortened form of the new name. Am trying to come up with possible ones. So far I could think of only Trans Bharat !
One thing that they could do is to acquire the old AI centaur logo for the new venture. It represents the golden era of Indian aviation and has a lot to do with the Tatas. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | I think the 'TB' in VT-TTB is actually the shortened form of the new name. Am trying to come up with possible ones. So far I could think of only Trans Bharat ! |
The "TT" has been chosen for obvious reasons, and aircraft will be registered from "TB" through "TZ". The only reason that airplane is "VT-TTB", is because "VT-TTA" has been used in the past (and DGCA does not recycle registrations for a number of years). [Incidentally this Dassault Falcon 200 has since been de-registered].
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Tata-SIA plans to unveil its official airline name on Monday (Aug 11). There is going to be an Indian Independence Day angle to all this. |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:05 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | The only reason that airplane is "VT-TTB", is because "VT-TTA" has been used in the past (and DGCA does not recycle registrations for a number of years). |
Any info on how long such a period lasts? _________________ Yeah. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | Any info on how long such a period lasts? |
Infinite... _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | Spiderguy252 wrote: | Any info on how long such a period lasts? |
Infinite... |
Well, not really. While I am unsure of the actual time frame, there are a couple of well documented cases of registration recycling, the most prominent of which (at least to me) is VT-DNZ [ Air India 707; Air Deccan / Simplifly Deccan A320 ]. Registration recycling on the same airframe is not allowed, as seen in the case of 9W's 77Ws / A332s. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | Well, not really. While I am unsure of the actual time frame, there are a couple of well documented cases of registration recycling, the most prominent of which (at least to me) is VT-DNZ [ Air India 707; Air Deccan / Simplifly Deccan A320 ]. Registration recycling on the same airframe is not allowed, as seen in the case of 9W's 77Ws / A332s. |
Interesting and thanks for the update. I wonder if DGCA has some documented processes around this area? _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | I wonder if DGCA has some documented processes around this area? |
I have looked for this topic on their website in the past, but found nothing. |
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ssbmat Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:22 am Post subject: |
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I am sure it will be something related to Indi- like Indi-fly or Fly-India.
I would love it to have a very Indian sounding name like Pushpak Vimana or Bharat Udaan or Parwaaz-e-Hind !!.. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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ssbmat wrote: |
Parwaaz-e-Hind !!.. |
That sounds like some Kabab joint on Mohammed Ali Road.
There is something about Urdu names that just doesn't sit well with modern phenomenon like airlines. Just my opinion though. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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justbala Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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How abt Air Hind?! |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:14 am Post subject: |
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http://www.livemint.com/Companies/XSkOafNZBxHOfNiX7ACNLK/TataSIA-to-pursue-outsourced-strategy.html
Tata-SIA to pursue outsourced strategy
Tata-SIA ties up with Air India, which will manage ground-handling and engineering services for the new airline
Aug 08 2014
Tata-SIA Airlines Ltd, the joint venture (JV) between Tata Sons Ltd and Singapore Airlines Ltd, is pursuing an outsourcing model for its operations in India and has tied up with state-owned Air India Ltd to execute parts of the strategy before its expected takeoff in October.
Air India will manage ground-handling and engineering services for Tata-SIA, said two executives at the national airline who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Their ground-handling and engineering checks will be done by us. For the big checks, they already have an MRO (maintenance, repair and overhaul facility) in Singapore,” one of the officials said.
The outsourcing strategy adopted by Tata-SIA sets a sort of precedent in India, where most airlines have their own staff to perform engineering checks on their fleet and for ground-handling functions. Airlines have even taken the government to court in the past for forcing them to hire external ground handlers.
Air India Engineering Services Ltd, a subsidiary of the national airline, will provide engineering services to Tata-SIA. Staff of Air India SATS Airport Service Pvt. Ltd are expected to perform ground-handling duties for the airline at major airports; Air India Air Transport Services Ltd will look after ground handling at non-metro airports. A Tata-SIA duty manager will oversee the ground handling. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | The outsourcing strategy adopted by Tata-SIA sets a sort of precedent in India, where most airlines have their own staff to perform engineering checks on their fleet and for ground-handling functions. |
Didn't IT start off this way - with AI handling their ground ops? _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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There are rumors that the airline is going to be called "Vistara" or "Visatara Air", however these are unconfirmed and I wouldn't bet on this at all. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | There are rumors that the airline is going to be called "Vistara" or "Visatara Air", however these are unconfirmed and I wouldn't bet on this at all. |
Vistara is the name of an already existing IT services provider.
http://www.vistarait.com
Are they allowed to have the same name.? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:22 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | There are rumors that the airline is going to be called "Vistara" or "Visatara Air", however these are unconfirmed and I wouldn't bet on this at all. |
The mainstream media in India is now picking up on this as well.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tata-sia-may-sport-vistara-brand-name-114080900026_1.html
Tata-SIA may sport Vistara brand name
August 9, 2014
Tata-SIA Airlines has registered several names to brand their proposed airline and one of the serious contenders is Vistara.
The brand name is set to be unveiled on Monday.
Vistara is a Sanskrit word meaning expanse. A spokesperson said, "We have considered many names for our brand, and a few have been registered."
The airline would have one aircraft in India by early September.
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Vistara(?)'s airline code is going to be UK. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | Vistara(?)'s airline code is going to be UK. |
UK stands for Uran Khatola, presumably? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Nice name and livery
All the very best, Vistara! God knows you are going to need it. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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indopaki Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | Nice .... livery |
Someone had the chance for such a nice livery but no vision.
Grander
Merger
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Jeh Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Their name and logo reminds me of another Tata brand -
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Aseem Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Not a particularly easy name to pronounce. But, we will gradually get used to it. I am particularly looking forward to something better than usual interiors. The uniform looks SG inspired, and nothing wrong with it. A peacock version of SG.
VT-ASJ _________________ [url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri]
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indopaki Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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The logo looks very Middle Eastern making it seem like a carrier from there, a highly stylised Paisley might have been better. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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A certain JRD Tata will be a happy man today. His soul will finally rest in peace.
His dreams are taking wing again. JRD had made everyone in the Tata Group believe in his vision...and they never forgot.
Air Vistara should name their first aircraft after him. There cannot be a better tribute. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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indopaki wrote: | The logo looks very Middle Eastern |
Agree - looks like a version of the Star of David. I'm sure the way India is cozying up to Israel, the Jews will be thrilled.
jbalonso777 wrote: | Hmm, I wonder why UK selected Slender Man as the 'mannequin' to show off the FA dress design? |
Let's hope they don't figure on this list someday !
'Slender Man Made Me Do It': 10 Crimes Inspired by Pop Culture |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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At the opening, Tata / SIA used this picture in their presentation of the historical background of Tata & Air India.
Air India, however, never had an airplane named "Bengal Tigress". They did have an L-749A (VT-DEO) named "Bengal Princess"
Someone screwed up !!
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