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| 747-237 wrote: | | Folks, could we stick to the topic of this thread please, i.e. the debuts of the AI 787s. Thanks. |
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VT-ANK's tail is out of this frame, though you can see her fuselage to the far right.
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More delays in delivery likely - August doesn't look too good, with two issues still holding things up.
Induction of the much-awaited Boeing 787 Dreamliner by Air India is still hanging fire as the Law Ministry gives final touches to a compensation agreement which the airline would sign with the US plane maker for delaying deliveries.
The induction of the plane, ...., would take place only after the Delay Compensation Settlement Agreement, already approved by the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs, is fine-tuned by the Law Ministry, official sources said.
Another factor which has led to the delay in the national carrier accepting the plane was a probe report by the NTSB ........ DGCA has also sought a report from its American counterpart, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), on the incident which is still awaited, the sources said.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/article3807681.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home
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In fact, it looks like DGCA is considering banning GEnx engines from Indian airspace until the investigation is over.
This not only would affect AI, but it would also affect JL, LH (748), and any future 748/787 operators to India.
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Here is a better pic, as above, with all 5 tails in the frame.
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| aeroblogger wrote: | In fact, it looks like DGCA is considering banning GEnx engines from Indian airspace until the investigation is over.
This not only would affect AI, but it would also affect JL, LH (748), and any future 748/787 operators to India. |
That is some very serious info, any links to back it up?
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| me111993 wrote: | | aeroblogger wrote: | In fact, it looks like DGCA is considering banning GEnx engines from Indian airspace until the investigation is over.
This not only would affect AI, but it would also affect JL, LH (748), and any future 748/787 operators to India. |
That is some very serious info, any links to back it up? |
What's the issue with GEnx?? GOI is not known to be logical.
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| me111993 wrote: | | aeroblogger wrote: | In fact, it looks like DGCA is considering banning GEnx engines from Indian airspace until the investigation is over.
This not only would affect AI, but it would also affect JL, LH (748), and any future 748/787 operators to India. |
That is some very serious info, any links to back it up? |
The release said that DGCA has "requested more info" to "make a determination on safety of such aircraft" (such aircraft = GEnx powered aircraft)
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What's the issue with GEnx?? GOI is not known to be logical.
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The engine incident in CHS on the AI frame was very serious. If it was a manufacturing defect, then the impact will be minimal, but if it is a design flaw, the blowback for GE will be very strong indeed.
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| aeroblogger wrote: | | me111993 wrote: | | aeroblogger wrote: | In fact, it looks like DGCA is considering banning GEnx engines from Indian airspace until the investigation is over.
This not only would affect AI, but it would also affect JL, LH (748), and any future 748/787 operators to India. |
That is some very serious info, any links to back it up? |
The release said that DGCA has "requested more info" to "make a determination on safety of such aircraft" (such aircraft = GEnx powered aircraft)
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What's the issue with GEnx?? GOI is not known to be logical.
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The engine incident in CHS on the AI frame was very serious. If it was a manufacturing defect, then the impact will be minimal, but if it is a design flaw, the blowback for GE will be very strong indeed. |
Good God. What a load of BS. You're telling me that the DGCA, an organization of babus and hacks and the odd competent expert (who is probably shut down by the MoCA when convenient), is suddenly more knowledgeable than the FAA and the Japanese aviation authorities, not to mention Boeing and GE who have everything to lose if there really is a defect, and NH and JL who (with apologies to AI) have some of the best safety and operational standards in the world?
This is just stalling at the highest levels of the MoCA so that AI doesn't have to receive its 787s anytime soon, which as we all know would basically be parked on the tarmacs of BOM and DEL.
This entire operation is a joke. And while AI and the MoCA are pretty much considered a circus, they're taking the reputation of the whole country down with them too. |
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Good God. What a load of BS. You're telling me that the DGCA, an organization of babus and hacks and the odd competent expert (who is probably shut down by the MoCA when convenient), is suddenly more knowledgeable than the FAA and the Japanese aviation authorities, not to mention Boeing and GE who have everything to lose if there really is a defect, and NH and JL who (with apologies to AI) have some of the best safety and operational standards in the world? |
Finding Babus with egos is never difficult 
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This is just stalling at the highest levels of the MoCA so that AI doesn't have to receive its 787s anytime soon, which as we all know would basically be parked on the tarmacs of BOM and DEL.
This entire operation is a joke. And while AI and the MoCA are pretty much considered a circus, they're taking the reputation of the whole country down with them too. |
True that.
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DGCA's GEnx issues seem to have been sorted out.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dreamliner-gets-dgcas-safety-clearance;-delay-compensation-on-anvil/992370/
Dreamliner gets DGCA’s safety clearance; delay compensation on anvil
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The Director General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) has given safety clearance to Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The new aircraft will be inducted into Air India’s fleet shortly. The law ministry is also finalising the compensation amount that the US-based aircraft manufacturer will pay Air India for delay in delivering the aircraft.
“We received the report from FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and have gone into the details. We have given a go-ahead that it is fit for flying now,” said Arun Mihsra, DGCA.
In a written reply civil aviation minister Ajit Singh said in the Rajya Sabha that “the delivery ... was delayed by Boeing due to production/design problems and various other reasons.”
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http://www.ptinews.com/news/2908562_First-Dreamliner-expected-on-Tuesday
First Dreamliner expected on Tuesday
New Delhi, Aug 24 (PTI) After a delay of nearly five years, the first Boeing 787 Dreamliner is likely to arrive here next week with Air India planning to take delivery of the aircraft on Tuesday.
"A total of three aircraft are ready for delivery at the Boeing's South Carolina factory. The first Dreamliner will take off from the US and is likely to arrive here on Tuesday," airline sources said.
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Looks like prepping for delivery to Air India .....
One of the Dreamliners (AND / ANH / ANI) has been moved to the front of the Boeing SC delivery center this morning.
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| 747-237 wrote: | Looks like prepping for delivery to Air India .....
One of the Dreamliners (AND / ANH / ANI) has been moved to the front of the Boeing SC delivery center this morning.
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Ministry of Law has passed AI compensation agreement, VT-ANH has been delivered (on paper)!
delivery ceremony to take place Monday.
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To quote Candy Eslinger, Boeing SC Spokeswoman, “What I can tell you right now is that the Air India delivery team is here in South Carolina for the delivery that’s scheduled for next week.”
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| 747-237 wrote: | | To quote Candy Eslinger, Boeing SC Spokeswoman, “What I can tell you right now is that the Air India delivery team is here in South Carolina for the delivery that’s scheduled for next week.” |
Correct, the delivery ceremony is scheduled for next week. However, the paper delivery is over already.
This has been confirmed by All Things 787 at the Boeing end as well.
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Air India can use this as their alibi for taking a late delivery - this weekend marks the one-year anniversary of certification of the 787. On Aug. 26, 2011, the FAA and the EASA granted type certificates for the Dreamliner; and the FAA added the 787 to the Boeing production certificate.
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| aeroblogger wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | To quote Candy Eslinger, Boeing SC Spokeswoman, “What I can tell you right now is that the Air India delivery team is here in South Carolina for the delivery that’s scheduled for next week.” |
Correct, the delivery ceremony is scheduled for next week. |
Capt AS and Capt AS are first to bring home the beauty. I guess they are at Seattle. |
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| Kabir-de-saint wrote: | | aeroblogger wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | To quote Candy Eslinger, Boeing SC Spokeswoman, “What I can tell you right now is that the Air India delivery team is here in South Carolina for the delivery that’s scheduled for next week.” |
Correct, the delivery ceremony is scheduled for next week. |
Capt AS and Capt AS are first to bring home the beauty. I guess they are at Seattle. |
Yep, AS Soman and Amitabh Singh...
There was actually a lot of controversy over this choice of delivery crew, because major penalty proceedings (sacking) of these 2 pilots was suggested by CVC...
And they are at CHS, not Seattle
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And they are at CHS, not Seattle [/quote]
Thank you for updating…
In my opinion, both the Captains are too strong (Number 1 and Number 2 in the AI pyramid) for any actions against them: and they already got the P1 rating without even touching the plane.
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Whilst Air India continue their never-ending turns around the mulberry bush, we've had:
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| jasepl wrote: | Whilst Air India continue their never-ending turns around the mulberry bush, we've had:
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Even better, we've had that aircraft parked in front of the AI hangars:
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| aeroblogger wrote: | | Even better, we've had that aircraft parked in front of the AI hangars: |
Nice find, Rohit...what an irony!
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| sumantra wrote: | Nice find, Rohit...what an irony!
Cheers, Sumantra. |
Well technically AI already operates the Dreamliner - it code-shares on that Ethiopian flight, you know!  
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| I think AI is playing a practical joke by not taking the 787.........AI Dreamliner only flies in our dreams |
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| vivekman wrote: | | Well technically AI already operates the Dreamliner - it code-shares on that Ethiopian flight, you know! |
Ha ha Vivek - that is a wonderful observation! |
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The Dreamliner being prepped at CHS hasn't moved till today (8/30). All bets are off as to when it will be delivered to Air India.
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Lan Chile tool delivery yesteday of their 788, gonna start Chile-LAX services meanwhile no news on AI
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IMO ,the report is trash, I have 16+16 from a direct very reliable source.
The original 8 were trained over 6 months ago.
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The 16 ICPA pilots are not qualified to be commanders, since they are transferring from Airbus aircraft. They must be FOs for a certain number of hours first.
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The joys of being in Air India. Order a multi-billion dollar sea food dinner, only to realize you're a vegetarian! Stupid, stupider and stupidest  .
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| Nimish wrote: | | The joys of being in Air India. Order a multi-billion dollar sea food dinner, only to realize you're a vegetarian! Stupid, stupider and stupidest . |
Haha, its more like order the sea food pay the bill and let the food rot
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| Karan69 wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | The joys of being in Air India. Order a multi-billion dollar sea food dinner, only to realize you're a vegetarian! Stupid, stupider and stupidest . |
Haha, its more like order the sea food pay the bill and let the food rot
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Order the food, get the taxpayer to foot the bill, realize it is the wrong order and let the food rot, ask the restaurant for money to compensate for the order, pocket the money....
There , that's more like it.
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| The_Goat wrote: | Order the food, get the taxpayer to foot the bill, realize it is the wrong order and let the food rot, ask the restaurant for money to compensate for the order, pocket the money....
There , that's more like it. |
You forgot the part about trying to rent out the rotting food to someone else, again and again!
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| vivekman wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: | Order the food, get the taxpayer to foot the bill, realize it is the wrong order and let the food rot, ask the restaurant for money to compensate for the order, pocket the money....
There , that's more like it. |
You forgot the part about trying to rent out the rotting food to someone else, again and again! |
And the bit about pulling this stunt at a couple of different restaurants.
Always with the same result :
Order something you don't eat, then play bitch in the manger to do nothing so it festers, then try to hawk the rot to the world and find there are no takers, so you bring it home and plonk it on the table to join the mulch from the previous restaurant, and stink up the whole neighbourhood.
Then do it all over again.
Of course, one mustn't omit the self-appointed sideshow of de Gaulle-like protests of defensive indignation : "AI outragé ! AI brisé ! AI martyrisé !"
By the way, it is now ten days since we were told AI's first 787 "has been delivered" and a week after "ceremony to take place Monday" and nearly a week since "aircraft to arrive in DEL Tuesday."
But no 787s.
All this irrespective of the emphatic, irrefutable, grounded-in-fact, grand declarations. Tut tut.
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According to the grapewine, there was a false alarm yesterday when a seasoned spotter in Delhi said it had landed, and a whole bunch of spotters ran to the airport.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | According to the grapewine, there was a false alarm yesterday when a seasoned spotter in Delhi said it had landed, and a whole bunch of spotters ran to the airport. |
Grape-wine - ha ha, good pun!
By the way, most Delhi spotters are waiting for confirmed information, some from inside sources. I personally do not know any of my friends (who are regular spotters) who made the trip yesterday.
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| sumantra wrote: | | Grape-wine - ha ha, good pun! |
Thank you for being one of the few that ever get that one! 
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it was a strange set of happenings.
Someone from AI who was in the 787 sim told the 'seasoned' spotter (actually not at all a seasoned spotter) that he was in the 787, this was mis-understood and it was assumed that the 787 was already in BOM.
Later the same captain clarified.
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