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Nimish · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:42 am Post subject:

Wow - from zero to 7 this year! Will require at least 7*16 pilots? Will they have those many trained by then? And what about the routes - sure 1-2 will go to the Kangaroo route, but what about the other 5?
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Karan69 · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1334

Wow that is really surprising 7 this year of course we know well by now to believe only if we see

Nimish#

I hope they use them sensibly,

They are best suited for HKG SIN NRT YYZ and second daily to LHR, don't ask me what they will do with the useless LRs

BTW AI have applied for a 1700 and 1800 slot at DXB for the 787 I do not know from BOM or DEL as both have similar arrival and departure times into DXB

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aeroblogger · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:06 am Post subject:

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120808/BLOG01/120809792

747-237 · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:11 am Post subject:

Air India's deal with Boeing for 27 Dreamliner (B-787) aircraft is turning out to be lucrative for India's national carrier as the airline is now eligible for an additional annual compensation of at least $80,000 per plane if the machines don't match up to the high performance standards claimed by the manufacturer.

Air India will evaluate the performance of these aircraft for the first 18 months and if they don't meet the promised standards, a separate compensation package will be negotiated, the official added.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/boeing-dreamliner-deal-turning-out-to-be-lucrative-for-air-india/articleshow/15413104.cms
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Devesh · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2012/08/ntsb-traces-air-india-boeing-787-genx.html

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747-237 · Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject:

According to http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tender/RFP-Bridge%20Loan%20August%202012.pdf

Air India's 787 delivery schedule seems to be:
#1 - Aug
#2 - Aug
#3 - Aug
#4 - Sep
#5 - Nov
#6 - Dec
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747-237 · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject:

Unconfirmed reports say that the first delivery will take place this weekend, with the first 787 arriving in India on Sunday 08/19.
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aeroblogger · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject:

aeroblogger · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:27 am Post subject:

Looks like VT-ANH will arrive this weekend. VT-AND will arrive the following weekend. and VT-ANI will arrive at the end of the month.
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747-237 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:41 am Post subject:

vikramv2 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject:

I heard the 787s are not coming this weekend...Any clue when the rescheduled deliveries are???
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747-237 · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:14 am Post subject:

Yeah heard.....the B787 has been further delayed.
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747-237 · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:44 am Post subject:

Boeing has moved an unpainted (red tail) 787, presumably the future VT-ANK (3rd SC built 787) onto the flightline at Chareston (seen below, on the far right).
The Charleston flightline once again has 4 Air India 787s, with VT-ANJ being worked on inside after her engine issues.
Chances are there will soon be 5 Air India 787s parked at CHS before AI start taking delivery.

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747-237 · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject:

aeroblogger · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:47 am Post subject:

Good news (for a change): AI is expecting the first 787 (VT-ANH) to arrive next Wednesday night/Thursday morning

Then again, if things happened when AI expected them to, the 787 would have been in operation 2 months ago...
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HAWK21M · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:02 am Post subject:

Hopefully no further rescheduling occurs.
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Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

Was at Everett yesterday. Saw at least 4 AI 787s idling on the tarmac. The guide rolled her eyes when I mentioned them. Looks like Boeing thinks its all a horrible joke too.

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I believe in the present time when the government is in complete disarray with scams everywhere, Assam issue, muslim radicals, bad economy and diminishing voter support........Air India is the last thing on their mind! actually wait development of country is last thing.

But anyways my point being is even if the 787s arrive there will nothing to look forward to as 777 are waiting to be in the air first. We have reached a point where pvt. carriers are the only ones concerned about flying the planes they own (except KF)

the government will just keep AI afloat as long as they can for namesake and then blame the next govt. for all the mess created by them.

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747-237 · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject:

Folks, could we stick to the topic of this thread please, i.e. the debuts of the AI 787s. Thanks.
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747-237 · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/india-expects-induct-first-787-dreamliner-month-091240489--finance.html

India expects to induct first 787 Dreamliner this month

Aug 19

Air India hopes to induct the first of its new Boeing-787 Dreamliners by this month-end as the aircraft has received regulatory clearances to fly to India.

"The first of our 787s have received mandatory flying clearance from the Federal Aviation Administration. A team of pilots, engineers and other crew members will leave for the US soon," an Air India official privy to the development told IANS.

"We expect the aircraft to be in India in around a week's time."

According to the official, some top officials like general manager for wide-bodied aircraft and director of operation are already in the US to finish the final modalities of sale and lease back of the aircraft.

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They have 32 pilots trained 16 IC + 16 AI for the Dreamliners.
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sumantra · Member Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 4685 Location: New Delhi

Rishul, shouldn't this number rise to 98 for the ICPA by the end of this month, or have I completely lost it? Perhaps, yes Smile

There was the ghastly news about two people trying to hack into the system, out of the initial lot of 100. The people scheduled to bring the Dreamliners in - are the management cadre alone (ex-AI/IPG), I have no clue about the IPG.
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me111993 · Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD

honestly, i don't know, i got this info 5 days ago, at that time the deal was 50:50 for AI/IC dreamliner pilots, until the management came up with some sort of a compromise.

AFAIK, there's a chunk of pilots who actually failed the exam as well, which led to the 'hacking'. I'm just as confused.

The 32 trained pilots were trained in May in SIN, and all of them have sitting doing nothing for the past 3 odd months.
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aeroblogger · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject:

ICPA training was cancelled after the hacking incident. Since IPG was on strike, no additional IPG training was conducted.

So there are still only 32 IPG/ICPA pilots + some management pilots.
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aeroblogger · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:34 pm Post subject:

747-237 · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject:

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

So let's guess where AI will magically deploy its 28 787s.

Be as imaginative as possible, and use just as imaginative logic. Why not? The fine gentlemen who ordered 28 787s were being just as imaginatve when they assumed that AI was a viable airline.

I say they will be put on routes to Denver, Detroit, Duluth, Dallas, and Durham where obviously there is a huge demand for daily nonstops because of the (choose as appropriate) huge Telugu, Tamil, Maharashtrian, Oriya, and Himachali desi diaspora there.

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aeroblogger · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:39 am Post subject:

Dakar and Damascus would both make far better destinations than Denver or Detroit (not to mention the rest of them) for a variety of reasons.

Firstly, they aren't ULH, which will mean that the sky-high yields which AI is incapable of commanding are not necessary to merely cover the fuel bill.

Secondly, they are both in countries of strategic interest and importance to India. Encouraging investment in these countries would be a great policy of the Indian government, and using AI as an instrument could fit into such a strategy.

Thirdly, due to the lack of competition by alliance-member carriers, AI would likely be able to command more of the premium business traffic on such routes, making them more economically viable.

That said, the likes of NBO, DAR, LOS, and ACC would probably make better African destinations.

Damascus is unlikely to make a good destination right now, but once the political situation calms down and Assad is toppled/forgotten about, it would definitely be a good contender...
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