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| basheer1211 wrote: | | No foreign carriers in IXE is bit surprising. Is IXE not included as point of call? At least G9 or FZ.... When they serve LKO/JAI/NAG/CJB why not IXE?? |
Exactly. IXE isn't included as PoC in any bilateral.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| iah87 wrote: | HYD numbers do not seem to add up correctly. If the base numbers are correct, then it should 21,181, behind Trivandrum.
No Indian carrier wants to serve CCU to Middle East !! |
Apologies sir, that was corrected a while ago. But I just found out that EY has permanently upgauged EY274/275 to A330-200, which keeps HYD in 6th place.
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I am a bit surprised that Etihad and Qatar serve greater frequencies out of DEL than out of BOM.
But BOM still seems to have a substantial share of the seat capacity overall. Although I feel that in other sectors such as Europe/Americas/Far East, DEL has a more substantial market.
The only other place where BOM may still be ahead is Africas, I suppose.
Blame it on the Mumbai airport mess..and the increasing prosperity of the North Indian Tier-2/Tier-3 cities. I bet a lot of DEL's labour traffic is really out of adjoining Haryana, Western UP and Rajasthan..while the NRI class is mostly out of DEL and Punjab/Chandigarh/Jaipur belt. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| ssbmat wrote: | I am a bit surprised that Etihad and Qatar serve greater frequencies out of DEL than out of BOM.
But BOM still seems to have a substantial share of the seat capacity overall. Although I feel that in other sectors such as Europe/Americas/Far East, DEL has a more substantial market.
The only other place where BOM may still be ahead is Africas, I suppose.
Blame it on the Mumbai airport mess..and the increasing prosperity of the North Indian Tier-2/Tier-3 cities. I bet a lot of DEL's labour traffic is really out of adjoining Haryana, Western UP and Rajasthan..while the NRI class is mostly out of DEL and Punjab/Chandigarh/Jaipur belt. |
Spot on observation sir. I think so too.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:32 am Post subject: |
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AI has added the 787 Dreamliner back from W14. The same has been updated here.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:43 am Post subject: |
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GF has added HYD to it's network. The same is reflected on the seats offered.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:25 am Post subject: |
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AI may resumes its 2nd Daily DEL-DXB from S15. And 9W will delay 4 new services between India and Gulf to 15th of March 2015. The same has been reflected here.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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EY's added 3rd Daily BOM/DEL flights. The same has been updated here,
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Excellent information. One more request, can you also do one from Hong Kong, which has quite a few flights to India. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| iah87 wrote: | | Excellent information. One more request, can you also do one from Hong Kong, which has quite a few flights to India. |
I'll post it on the India - SouthEast Asia thread.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:25 am Post subject: |
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6E has added BLR-DXB effective 15th December. The same is updated here.
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6E will commence Kozhikode-Dubai effective 1st January. The same has been reflected here.
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EK's made a few schedule changes. The same has been reflected here.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent discussion! I have book marked this page. I wonder why no desi airlines operate from CCU to ME. Are there shortage of passengers or they just don’t care for East India! 
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| CCU market is utter crap, that's why. |
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| avbuff wrote: | | CCU market is utter crap, that's why. |
What do you mean? They dont pay much or smell bad !
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yield, extremely low yielding and ultra business unfriendly environment. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Flydubai adds MAA, increases COK to 4pw and DEL to 5pw effective S15. The same has been reflected here.
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| avbuff wrote: | | Yield, extremely low yielding and ultra business unfriendly environment. |
EK increasing weekly flights to CCU from 12 to 13, with daily B777 service ( rest A332). Total passenger load in DXB-CCU both ways in 2012 was about 278,000.
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| sabya99 wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | | Yield, extremely low yielding and ultra business unfriendly environment. |
EK increasing weekly flights to CCU from 12 to 13, with daily B777 service ( rest A332). Total passenger load in DXB-CCU both ways in 2012 was about 278,000. |
And yet the route is loss making on 8 of the 12 months. The increase is to accommodate the seat count on account of retirement of the 2 class A330-200. |
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| Which India - GCC routes are money spinners, generally? |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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It is always safe to take that India - Saudi Arabia flights are profitable round the year.
Everything else depends on the route , nature of competition and nature of traffic other than VFR. |
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| avbuff wrote: | It is always safe to take that India - Saudi Arabia flights are profitable round the year.
Everything else depends on the route , nature of competition and nature of traffic other than VFR. |
Even after Nitaqat programme, Arrivals into Saudi are still booming. 9W should take note of this.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| avbuff wrote: | | sabya99 wrote: | | avbuff wrote: | | Yield, extremely low yielding and ultra business unfriendly environment. |
EK increasing weekly flights to CCU from 12 to 13, with daily B777 service ( rest A332). Total passenger load in DXB-CCU both ways in 2012 was about 278,000. |
And yet the route is loss making on 8 of the 12 months. The increase is to accommodate the seat count on account of retirement of the 2 class A330-200. |
How you know? Source?
So you want to say that emirates actually did not want to increase frequency and offered seats?
With ethiad coming the competition will be tougher |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:04 am Post subject: |
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IX to increase and delink certain routes eff S15
IXE-AUH-MCT 4pw to be delinked and made 3pw IXE-AUH and 3pw IXE-MCT
IXE-DMM to be made 3pw
CCJ-DMM to be made 4pw
COK-MCT to be made 5pw
TRV-DXB to be made 6pw
TRV-SHJ to be made 4pw
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Jetihad adds IXE-AUH eff 29MAR. With this, 9W will fly more than 300 weekly flights to the Gulf. From just 42 times a week in January 2008, to 300. 
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| abhijith16 wrote: | | Jetihad adds IXE-AUH eff 29MAR. With this, 9W will fly more than 300 weekly flights to the Gulf. From just 42 times a week in January 2008, to 300. |
Perfect - the Gulf sector is anyway the one that mints the most money for airlines and coupled with daddy's feed at AUH - should be a good way for 9W to head to consistent profitability and a clear focus.
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| Nimish wrote: | | abhijith16 wrote: | | Jetihad adds IXE-AUH eff 29MAR. With this, 9W will fly more than 300 weekly flights to the Gulf. From just 42 times a week in January 2008, to 300. |
Perfect - the Gulf sector is anyway the one that mints the most money for airlines and coupled with daddy's feed at AUH - should be a good way for 9W to head to consistent profitability and a clear focus. |
Do we really believe this? EY is discounting a lot on premium routes like US-India (as is EK). Who will 9W make money on a $850 JFK-BOM ticket if they just fly the AUH-BOM route. They will have people for sure. Been dealing with EY on a schedule change they just had which cause a huge misconnect. EY is not near like US carriers on IRROPS. So let's see what 9W learns from them. My bet is on Vistara and SQ (although think 16 J seats and PE on domestic flights is just too premium for now). |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | abhijith16 wrote: | | Jetihad adds IXE-AUH eff 29MAR. With this, 9W will fly more than 300 weekly flights to the Gulf. From just 42 times a week in January 2008, to 300. |
Perfect - the Gulf sector is anyway the one that mints the most money for airlines and coupled with daddy's feed at AUH - should be a good way for 9W to head to consistent profitability and a clear focus. |
Do we really believe this? EY is discounting a lot on premium routes like US-India (as is EK). Who will 9W make money on a $850 JFK-BOM ticket if they just fly the AUH-BOM route. They will have people for sure. Been dealing with EY on a schedule change they just had which cause a huge misconnect. EY is not near like US carriers on IRROPS. So let's see what 9W learns from them. My bet is on Vistara and SQ (although think 16 J seats and PE on domestic flights is just too premium for now). |
Contrary to what you like to believe, airlines in the world arent all set up to take folks from India to US. The middle east in itself is a huge O&D market from India.
IXE has a catchment area that extends into Northern Kerala. Good enough for their mid-east operations. US/Europe connections from places like IXE is rather incidental - not the primary aim. |
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| justbala wrote: | | Caliguy wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | abhijith16 wrote: | | Jetihad adds IXE-AUH eff 29MAR. With this, 9W will fly more than 300 weekly flights to the Gulf. From just 42 times a week in January 2008, to 300. |
Perfect - the Gulf sector is anyway the one that mints the most money for airlines and coupled with daddy's feed at AUH - should be a good way for 9W to head to consistent profitability and a clear focus. |
Do we really believe this? EY is discounting a lot on premium routes like US-India (as is EK). Who will 9W make money on a $850 JFK-BOM ticket if they just fly the AUH-BOM route. They will have people for sure. Been dealing with EY on a schedule change they just had which cause a huge misconnect. EY is not near like US carriers on IRROPS. So let's see what 9W learns from them. My bet is on Vistara and SQ (although think 16 J seats and PE on domestic flights is just too premium for now). |
Contrary to what you like to believe, airlines in the world arent all set up to take folks from India to US. The middle east in itself is a huge O&D market from India.
IXE has a catchment area that extends into Northern Kerala. Good enough for their mid-east operations. US/Europe connections from places like IXE is rather incidental - not the primary aim. |
I was more commenting on the daddy's feed and profitability comment - and yes i did focus on longhaul primarily because i didnt think any indian carrier really needs ME feed in the ME to make their ME opps profitable. |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | I was more commenting on the daddy's feed and profitability comment - and yes i did focus on longhaul primarily because i didnt think any indian carrier really needs ME feed in the ME to make their ME opps profitable. |
AUH is just one of the destinations (and not the biggest for Indians by far), there's lot of connecting traffic to other destinations in the MENA region - including to KSA - this would benefit from the EY/9W IXE-AUH flight and connecting via AUH, rather than say at COK or BOM.
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| Nimish wrote: | | Caliguy wrote: | | I was more commenting on the daddy's feed and profitability comment - and yes i did focus on longhaul primarily because i didnt think any indian carrier really needs ME feed in the ME to make their ME opps profitable. |
AUH is just one of the destinations (and not the biggest for Indians by far), there's lot of connecting traffic to other destinations in the MENA region - including to KSA - this would benefit from the EY/9W IXE-AUH flight and connecting via AUH, rather than say at COK or BOM. |
Thanks Nimish. My response exactly.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Etihad announced changes for ops into India. The same has been reflected here.
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Air Arabia Group get to gain India approval for Ras Al Khaimah-Calicut/Kozhikode services
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6-Feb-2015 11:11 AM
Air Arabia Group CEO Adel Abdullah Ali said the Indian government is yet to give approval to operate from Ras Al Khaimah to Kozhikode (Live Mint, 05-Feb-2015). Mr Ali said the airline was designated to fly to Kozhikode from Ras Al Khaimah after the grounding of RAK Airways. RAK Airways announced on 01-Jan-2015 that it was grounding all services owing to financial woes. “We are operating nine flights for Ras Al Khaimah. But we’re yet to get approvals from Indian government to fly to Calicut (Kozhikode),” Mr Ali said. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Updated all stats for Summer 2015. Lots of additions and capacity changes. There'll be more changes, once I figure out KU's seats as well.
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More updates! SG's new DXB-PNQ (All hail SG51/52) added.
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EY hits 157 per week, standalone with new CCJ flight eff 01MAY & the new COK flight eff 15MAY
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:08 am Post subject: |
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EY is adding 3rd daily AUH-HYD as well. Same has been reflected here
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Great analysis, Abhijit.
As you mentioned 10:15 is not a bad ratio, especially where EK and EY traffic are mostly used by pax for connecting to other destinations.
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Updated KU's and QR's stats for S15. Although, KU's KWI-MAA is set to receive the A330, I've kept the A300, as I'm unaware of the seat count in Y.
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