Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Jet's newest 77W (VT-JEL) sent to Marana for storage ! Goto page 1, 2  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:39 am    Post subject: Jet's newest 77W (VT-JEL) sent to Marana for storage ! Jet's latest 77W, VT-JEL has been sent to Marana for storage today. The aircraft is owned by Boeing & has been re-registered as N834BA. (9W has not officially taken delivery of the a/c). As can be seen here, she is no longer on the KPAE flightline http://paineairport.com/kpae2437.htm Last edited by 747-237 on Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:25 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top vivekman Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: WOW! A brand new 777-300ER! What are the legal implications of 9W not taking delivery of the aircraft? What clauses exist in a typical contract to protect the interests of Boeing and/or the airline? - Vivek _________________ Boeing makes planes. Airbus makes videogames! Back to top rutvij Member Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1390 Location: Skies of Fire! Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: vivekman wrote: WOW! A brand new 777-300ER! What are the legal implications of 9W not taking delivery of the aircraft? What clauses exist in a typical contract to protect the interests of Boeing and/or the airline? - Vivek That would mean some heavy fines on 9W. Nitin Sarin could put some light on this. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Disapointing....... regds MEL. _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Fines? Legal implications? You guys sound like 9W is doing something illegal. Not like this move is unusual or anything. I'm sure 9W and Boeing have come to some sort of agreement. 9W probably paid some sort of fee or lost its deposits on the aircraft or whatever was agreed to in the contract. Back to top vivekman Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: Fines? Legal implications? You guys sound like 9W is doing something illegal. Not like this move is unusual or anything. Who said anything about 9W doing something illegal? I wanted to know whether the contract has some provisions that are legally binding on 9W in case of non-acceptance of an already built aircraft. (fines, fees, etc) - Vivek _________________ Boeing makes planes. Airbus makes videogames! Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Jet may have accepted the aircraft, but is now paying to park it in Marana. Many airlines do the same thing. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: Jet may have accepted the aircraft, but is now paying to park it in Marana. Many airlines do the same thing. -> 747-237 wrote: (9W has not officially taken delivery of the a/c). Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:16 pm    Post subject: Here she is leaving KPAE for Marana, with her "N" registration. http://airlinersgallery.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jet-airways-777-300er-n834ba-vt-jel07tko-pae-ndlr.jpg Back to top rutvij Member Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1390 Location: Skies of Fire! Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: 747-237 wrote: Here she is leaving KPAE for Marana, with her "N" registration. http://airlinersgallery.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/jet-airways-777-300er-n834ba-vt-jel07tko-pae-ndlr.jpg Look at how she does it with style! Sad to see all these new A/Cs parked when classics still operate. Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: Fines? Legal implications? You guys sound like 9W is doing something illegal. Not like this move is unusual or anything. A typical Indian way of looking at things. Who said anything about amything being illegal?. Look closer it was you who mentioned it. Dont always get the wrong end. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: vivekman wrote: sammyk wrote: Fines? Legal implications? You guys sound like 9W is doing something illegal. Not like this move is unusual or anything. Who said anything about 9W doing something illegal? I wanted to know whether the contract has some provisions that are legally binding on 9W in case of non-acceptance of an already built aircraft. (fines, fees, etc) - Vivek I didn't mean it literally...just the way it was said as far as legal implications and heavy fines. Didn't think you thought it was illegal. B787 Aditya wrote: sammyk wrote: Fines? Legal implications? You guys sound like 9W is doing something illegal. Not like this move is unusual or anything. A typical Indian way of looking at things. Who said anything about amything being illegal?. Look closer it was you who mentioned it. Dont always get the wrong end. Typical of you to make assumptions without knowing anything. Think again, sir. Back to top iflytb20 Member Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 1079 Location: Next to the Airport Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Jet is not the only one with new planes store at Marana, Arizona. 2 of China Southern Cargo's B777-F1Bs [N774BA & N775BA] were also flown there with 'N' Reg and Boeing callsigns for storage. I think this was in Apr or May. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: iflytb20 wrote: Jet is not the only one with new planes store at Marana, Arizona. 2 of China Southern Cargo's B777-F1Bs [N774BA & N775BA] were also flown there with 'N' Reg and Boeing callsigns for storage. I think this was in Apr or May. As was FedEx's. Though I don't think China Southern or FedEx's woes are as newsworthy or interesting as 9W's. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India. Back to top vivekman Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: I didn't mean it literally...just the way it was said as far as legal implications and heavy fines. Didn't think you thought it was illegal. No issues So, any idea guys how much 9W would have to pay Boeing and/or the storage airport for this? This is similar to IT not taking delivery of its A340-500s. - Vivek _________________ Boeing makes planes. Airbus makes videogames! Back to top xterra Member Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 595 Location: DONT KNO Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: this is not a big thing for global aviation but somewhat big for Indian Aviation and the bleeding airline sector. 9W is already having problems in utilizing their current fleet of 77Ws and i think this VT JEL came quite after whn they took delivery of JEK. I think 9W might have had enough time to delay this delivery or defer it. Well, sad to see this one go, probably the first such instance for an Indian carrier. May she is soon in BOM and waiting at A4 for me to nail her in my camera _________________ ~~~Indian Aviation Photographers~~~ Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: [/quote] Typical of you to make assumptions without knowing anything. Think again, sir.[/quote] Think you were the one making assumptions - look at your comments. Another typical indian comment. IT is so just you Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: B787 Aditya wrote: Think you were the one making assumptions - look at your comments. Another typical indian comment. IT is so just you Are you not Indian yourself? Anyways, I explained my comment so your assumption is meaningless. Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: B787 Aditya wrote: Think you were the one making assumptions - look at your comments. Another typical indian comment. IT is so just you Are you not Indian yourself? Anyways, I explained my comment so your assumption is meaningless. ur assumption not mine ,,,once again READ what you wrote.READ Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: B787 Aditya wrote: sammyk wrote: B787 Aditya wrote: Think you were the one making assumptions - look at your comments. Another typical indian comment. IT is so just you Are you not Indian yourself? Anyways, I explained my comment so your assumption is meaningless. ur assumption not mine ,,,once again READ what you wrote.READ I'm not making any assumptions, just asking a question. I know what I wrote, no need for me to read it again. If you have difficulty understanding it (and my explanation to Vivek) then that's not my problem. So, now I'll make an assumption. I guess you are not Indian. If not, then what are you? Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: sammyk wrote: B787 Aditya wrote: sammyk wrote: B787 Aditya wrote: Think you were the one making assumptions - look at your comments. Another typical indian comment. IT is so just you Are you not Indian yourself? Anyways, I explained my comment so your assumption is meaningless. ur assumption not mine ,,,once again READ what you wrote.READ I'm not making any assumptions, just asking a question. I know what I wrote, no need for me to read it again. If you have difficulty understanding it (and my explanation to Vivek) then that's not my problem. So, now I'll make an assumption. I guess you are not Indian. If not, then what are you? It is of no business of yours what i am. All i can suggest to you is keep your big nose out of what I am. No business of yours. No difficulty understanding ur explaination. In fact my comments were not een directed at ur explanation - so you don't even appear to know what you are talking about here. But my opinion was your assumption was a typical indian way of thinking. Not reading full story and jumping in head first. Not to say you are an indian. No business of mine what you are and certainly no business of yours what i am. If you can't face a bit of whip of someone's opinion then that is your problem. Face up to opnions and dont start getting the hump. I have no time to get into this with you but if you have a problem with my opinion then so be it. It's life I am afraid. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Haha, I actually DO know exactly who and what you are, it was quite easy to figure out actually. However, I'll keep that to myself for the sake of privacy. Not reading the full story? There wasn't even a story posted. It was just a comment by Vivek and rutvij that I commented on. I was fully aware that they did not actually think anything was illegal. Perhaps I should have put a smiley in my post but whatever, it has been cleared up with the parties involved (not you) so it makes no difference. Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: sammyk wrote: Haha, I actually DO know exactly who and what you are, it was quite easy to figure out actually. However, I'll keep that to myself for the sake of privacy. Not reading the full story? There wasn't even a story posted. It was just a comment by Vivek and rutvij that I commented on. I was fully aware that they did not actually think anything was illegal. Perhaps I should have put a smiley in my post but whatever, it has been cleared up with the parties involved (not you) so it makes no difference. Hey get a life. And please REVEAL me. Lets see how wrong you can be. Let me laugh at what you think I am. Come on lets have it. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Wow. Are you still talking? Back to top B787 Aditya Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Like i said reveal me. Or is it BS from u again?. Looks like it. Back to top TKMCE Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 957 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: sammyK Let someone have his/her 5 min of fame-but I suggest let us all get back to topic. My personal experience it is a waste of everyones time to let this sort of thing go on . This seem to be such a clean board- now do I signs of slip ups??? Sad!!! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Coming back to the topic - are the seats/ hardware installed inside 9W property? Or is it a barebones 77W? _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:37 am    Post subject: VT-JEL being brought back from Marana on Nov 15, & will be delivered to 9W on Nov 24. Back to top xterra Member Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 595 Location: DONT KNO Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: seems 9w folks read my post in the other thread on them flying at full capacity where I demanded of VT JEL to JEL in the fleet jst kiddin _________________ ~~~Indian Aviation Photographers~~~ Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Quote: seems 9w folks read my post in the other thread on them flying at full capacity where I demanded of VT JEL to JEL in the fleet Is this one also going to be leased??? They have got back 4 77W's it the last two months now a fifth one aswell??? I know that 2 are going to be used for BOM-BRU-EWR. What about the others??? I am still very happy for 9W though . They now have 3 77W's and 4 A332's free!!!! Thats A-lot of capacity growth!!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: Is this one also going to be leased??? They have got back 4 77W's it the last two months now a fifth one aswell??? I know that 2 are going to be used for BOM-BRU-EWR. What about the others??? I am still very happy for 9W though . They now have 3 77W's and 4 A332's free!!!! Thats A-lot of capacity growth!!! 2 77Ws may end up going to Corsair in the near future, as they look to replace their 744s. Unsure if these will be a dry or wet leases. The question is what happens to the 9W interiors - Corsair won't be using the F & J class layout. Word on the street is that TAM might be interested in taking a 77W or two. Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Is changing the inner seating config possible even in a dry lease?? I dont think so. If it's being done then 9w should consider leasing out VT-JEA/B/C instead of the new ones... Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: This is HUGE ! 9W is NOT taking up VT-JEL ! N834BA (VT-JEL) is to be returned to KPAE on 12/03 & is rumored to be be going to a VIP operator ! Back to top 77wfan Member Joined: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 21 Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:06 am    Post subject: I was on a EWR-BRU flight last week and the FA mentioned that Jet was looking at a possible HYD-BRU feeder. Not sure how this is going to be done, but my guess is an additional A332 on the feeder with one of the other routes to either YYZ or JFK being bumped up to a 77W. Anyone have anymore news on this? _________________ Click here to read my PVG-SFO Trip report on 9W!!! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: @747-237 Really! This is pretty sad Is 9w not taking VT-JEL at all or they are just deferring it for a period of time?? I would love to know the source of your info! @77wfan Don't count to much into what the FA's say. But I still hope it's true!! Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: @747-237 Really! This is pretty sad Is 9w not taking VT-JEL at all or they are just deferring it for a period of time?? I would love to know the source of your info! Yeah, I bet you would. Back to top 747-237 Member Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11359 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: VT-JEL is back in KPAE (10 Dec) with her N registration (N834BA), and the Indian flag whited out. Last edited by 747-237 on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:39 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Well, they sure did burn a lot of cash painting her in 9W colours! _________________ Yeah. Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: I'm sure the paint job was included in the cost of the aircraft. Back to top Kabir Member Joined: 24 Oct 2008 Posts: 791 Location: DEL Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject: Isint this 777 going to Biman? 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