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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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More on Air India and JAT
Air India could become Jat Airways' strategic partner. The airlines have "signed a letter of intent" calling for the creation of a joint company in Belgrade that would operate six new Boeing 737-800s, and use Jat's slots at congested airports. The six 737s are to be from Air India's new fleet of 737-800s.
Belgrade would be a hub for Air India's European services. The plan includes re-routeing of some Air India US and Canadian flights through Belgrade.
Air India is also sourcing pilots from JAT and is also sending its pilot cadets to JAT. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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What? Re-route some AI US and Canada flights through BEG? What sense does that make, given AI is supposed to be cozying up with LH/*A, and now actually thinking of re-routing flights via BEG instead? |
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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It makes no sense to route US and Canada flights through BEG. There is hardly any traffic between India and Serbia(both VFR and business).
AI plans to use the B738s based in BEG to connect the passengers arriving at BEG to other European destinations. Why would a person flying to PAR or FRA transit through BEG when non stop flights are available?
6 B738s will be based in BEG. That leaves AIX with only 12 aircrafts. They can forget about SE Asia expansion unless they order new a/c pretty soon. _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Name ONE Thing that AI has done in the recent past that has actually made sense?
They claimed they coul dnot launch more flights out of India becoz they didnt have enough aircraft. And now they are leasing OUT their 737-800' sto IC, S2 and now in this madcap venture to BEG!
Time to fire Thulasidas me thinks! This guy has gone bonkers! _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | Time to fire Thulasidas me thinks! This guy has gone bonkers! |
If this "plan" is true, then I would agree - there's something very fishy here! |
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Prajay Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed AI is in the state of expansion however BEG!!!
Bad choice. How many Indian would land up going to Belgrade [Although very beautiful].
They could have done something like Amsterdam or Brussels. This would make more sense. Currently i think NW/KLM is the only airline flying BOM-AMS. AI could counter with BOM/DEL - AMS. They could start brussels to counter Jet! or Antwerp from India [Diamond Market]. How about MUC! Its a fast growing hub and LH is have some good load factors on MUC-DEL according to my uncle.
BEG this sux!!!
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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AI are doing this because Serbians are one of the few European races who are unaware of how lousy AI really is, and Thulasidas has taken it upon himself to change that.
Isn't this just pure conjecture at this point?
Besides, I'm sure that landing fees for a 744 or 777 at Belgrade are a fraction of what they are in CDG or FRA. Maybe its not so insane after all. They should lease out NW's DC-9s for this intra-EU hub operation. Or NW BAE 146s. There are a bunch rotting away in the desert waiting for a new home.
Maybe AI will establish an East Asian hub in Yangon, and an African hub in Khartoum after this. And lease some A300-600s. Isn't that type still missing in its fleet? |
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VABBy Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | They claimed they coul dnot launch more flights out of India becoz they didnt have enough aircraft. And now they are leasing OUT their 737-800' sto IC, S2 |
Details required here Cougar. Hw many going to IC and Hw many to S2??
whatz the rego nos of the aircrafts and what tenure and when???
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iflytb20 Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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From what i hrd 2 goin to IC
dunno bout S2
and it has to be one of the AIE planes...AXH onwards coz rest all are leased
and i'm not too sure if they can be sub-leased.
But will ask round |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | now in this madcap venture to BEG! |
An internal report post merger situation now comes to the conclusion that there will be a surplus of medium range aircraft.
Remember that in the merger, AIX will now be the second level main player, as the LCC version of big brother Air India. Indian, Alliance and the air cargo divsion come after this.
So, as AIX is seen as the subsidiairy of the main premium product, it is seen as making sense to let it play it big as well on the international scene.
The idea is that AIX also go forth and establish new routes and then let IA do the flooding in with its A320 family (31 existing and owned A320s+the new 43 A319/A320/A321s). Essentially IA will now do the feeding in and carrying back for AI.
This is because Air India now realises that markets also have to have different products. Premium as well as LCC. The Oasis Hong Kong experience as a long haul LCC has made them come up with this idea.
It's being looked at as a win-win. Belgrade has low landing fees, JAT agrees to let Air India in in the civil aviation equivalent of India establishing an air base in Tajikistan, trains Air India pilot cadets, lends its own pilots to Air India and also gives AIX crew the much needed international level exposure of flying.
AI's think tank feels that IA's largely medium haul fleet can take care of the West Asia, SE Asia region. The AIX 737s can fly further and stay better utilised as well! Already muddied domestic waters can be handled by IA's giant Airbus fleet as it will be easier to switch pilots acrosss the fleet in contrast to the different sets of pilots in Air India three aircraft type fleet. (737, 777, 747).
Essentially reducing IA to the role of a mule.
JAT is reported to have a similar but smaller arrangement with Emirates. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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>>Reducint IA to the status of a mule.
Exactly what we have feared all along. To whose benefit? This merger is only going to reduce a profitable airline to the status of a mule while the bigger "ass", Air India, continues to piss all over itself.
The eventual winner is going to be Jet Airways. _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | >>Reducint IA to the status of a mule.
The eventual winner is going to be Jet Airways. |
Excellent.
Then the GOI can shut down AI/IC or sell it to the highest bidder, and the beleagured Indian taxpayer can be spared the cost of propping up state-run airlines. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: |
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That will come later. But before that the Indian customer will have to deal with a new monoploy in the form of Jet Airways.
Competition has played a big role in ensuring that all players in this game upgrade their standards. A monopoly of any sort and by any one is only going to be detrimental.
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | That will come later. But before that the Indian customer will have to deal with a new monoploy in the form of Jet Airways.
Competition has played a big role in ensuring that all players in this game upgrade their standards. A monopoly of any sort and by any one is only going to be detrimental.
BTW Jay Sitlani: Who is that in your profile pic? Is that you? |
A. There is no reason why Jet should become a monopoly, or frankly how it would. It hasn't happened in India's domestic skies. In fact, Jet's market share has diminished over the years. Competition breeds more competition. IC cleaned up its act in its domestic operations only once Jet became a viable competitor.
B. You have yet to explain just how Jet will become a monopoly once a 120 strong fleet of Air-Indian-airways-vayu-sena can use economies of scale and efficiency to adequately compete against it. Corporate entities in all fields merge all the time in order to compete more effectively. In any case, AI and IC weren't competitors domestically, competing only on regional routes. If there existing routes were profitable before the merger, there's no reason why they wouldn't be maintained. If they weren't or were struggling to break even, then creating a more effective and synergistic timetable would maximize profits.
C. You appear to have a very strong allegiance to IC. Its almost viscerally emotional, much in the way an A.net member had an emotional tie to Air India because of growing up within the AI family. What's that all about?
D. Both Jet and AI/IC have greater things to worry about than each other. Low-cost travel within India will become de rigeur very soon (the days of tasty chicken tikkas and sabzis in Y on all the domestic carriers will soon be a memory, except perhaps on vanity carriers like Kingfisher and Sahara). AI/IC and Jet as full-service carriers will have to find a way to compete against these growing entities. And once the A380s begin to arrive at EK, EY and QR, those carriers, the sound of pax being sucked to these carriers will be deafening.
E. Yes, that is me. Circa 2005. Why would I put someone else's pic?[/code] |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | But before that the Indian customer will have to deal with a new monoploy in the form of Jet Airways.
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Believe me I would love that monopoly.
At least it will be assured that the passengers would get good serivce !!!! |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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karatecatman wrote: | An internal report post merger situation now comes to the conclusion that there will be a surplus of medium range aircraft.
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I'm quite confused with that whole thinking, but I'm glad that AI is thinking and trying to do something different! I just hope it's logical thinking and works out for them in the end. |
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: |
Believe me I would love that monopoly.
At least it will be assured that the passengers would get good serivce !!!! |
Monopoly, whether of a private sector company or a public sector company is not in the interest of consumers.
Assuming that Jet Airways is the only airline in India, I don't think it would provide the high quality service it does when it is competing with so many airlines.
Just go back to the times of license permit Raj. There were a lot of private sector companies which had a monopoly in some fields. Take Bajaj Auto for example. My dad booked a scooter in 1969 and got the delivery in 1974. Bajaj took it's own sweet time because there was no competition. It did not even bother to make innovations in it's scooters. There was no change in the product from the early 1960s to 1986. _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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himmat01 wrote: | There were a lot of private sector companies which had a monopoly in some fields. |
What about Hindustan Motors and Premier Automobiles!!! |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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The manner in which NG is controlling the policy decisions using his connections to PP is cause for concern as it eliminates the level-playing field that should exist between players ina free-market. Jet is trying to tweak the competition to its benefit by manipulating policy. (W finds it easier to compete against an incompetent AI thatn against a (now) professionally run IC. That is the cause for worry.
Monopoly of any kind is the ability to control prices and competition. So 120 strong fleet or not: Jet will still have a monopoly since a part of AI/IC's fleet would be deployed other routes like out of BEG for eg. Dont forget that with 100+ aircraft by themselves, 9W wont exactly be a small player.
Avbuff: Monopoly of any kind removes the need to be the best and thus directly impacts service levels. Regular travellers have noticed this. Of the 6 times I travelled in the past 2 months, 3 times have been on Jet (including once upgraded to J ), once on KF and twice on IC: and I can say that service standards on 9W have celarly been slipping ever since they became No.1 in terms of traffic. There are times when the towel service or pre-takeoff drinks dont come around even in J-Class, luggage gets left behind and so on...! My bags came 4 days later and they refused to even get it to the city office. I had to trek to the airport to pick up my luggage left behind because of Jets mistake. So soervice standards are already slipping.
In a true free-market, others would have taken their place because a true-freemarket environment is a great leveller! However the issue is with the way Jet is competing: by using its connections with PP and others to regulate the competition.
Jaysit: No I dont have any connections with IC ecxept for a cousin who flies with IC. I do know some people by virtue of having taken a corporate training batch a loong time back, but thats about it! I dont get free tickets or non-rev benefits or anything like that!
I am on the "travel committee" of my company and decide which airline my company's employees travel on, and off late we are shifting our loyalties from Jet to Spice and KF domestically. Internationally ofcourse it is LH most of the tmie since they seem to have the cheapest fares or DL since many times that is only thing available (we need to connect to Santa barbara). I am sure most IT companies think the same way: KF and Spice are increasingly finding favor, while IC remains on the list simply because many times they are the only one who is flying to a particular station or route.
The advantage of "Indian" is connectivity: no one even comes close, and now ofcourse the fares. Have you checked their fares recently? I got a fare of 1775 for MAA-PNQ for this Monday, MAA-BLR on CD and connecting onto IC919 for BLR-PNQ. Not bad eh? Considering that I am paying 5000 bucks for 9W on the way out this Friday! _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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himmat01 wrote: |
Assuming that Jet Airways is the only airline in India, I don't think it would provide the high quality service it does when it is competing with so many airlines. |
But that's just it. Jet Airways is not the only airline in India and never will be. I believe that the Indian judiciary has an independent anti-trust body that would address such an unlikely scenario.
The Indian skies have plenty of airlines, all of which are growing at the expense of carriers like Jet and IC. |
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aarbee Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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[quote="himmat01"] avbuff wrote: |
Take Bajaj Auto for example. My dad booked a scooter in 1969 and got the delivery in 1974. Bajaj took it's own sweet time because there was no competition. It did not even bother to make innovations in it's scooters. There was no change in the product from the early 1960s to 1986. |
U mean to say that Bajaj Auto beat Ambassador in this aspect? |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: | [But that's just it. Jet Airways is not the only airline in India and never will be. I believe that the Indian judiciary has an independent anti-trust body that would address such an unlikely scenario.
The Indian skies have plenty of airlines, all of which are growing at the expense of carriers like Jet and IC. |
You are completely missing the point.
Jet may not be the only airline but they are getting to the point that they want to control and regulate the competition using their connections in high places. This goes against the free market dynamics. _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="aarbee"] himmat01 wrote: | avbuff wrote: |
Take Bajaj Auto for example. My dad booked a scooter in 1969 and got the delivery in 1974. Bajaj took it's own sweet time because there was no competition. It did not even bother to make innovations in it's scooters. There was no change in the product from the early 1960s to 1986. |
U mean to say that Bajaj Auto beat Ambassador in this aspect? |
just crosscheck who exactly has posted which matter !!!
i never wrote about bajaj autos |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: |
You are completely missing the point.
Jet may not be the only airline but they are getting to the point that they want to control and regulate the competition using their connections in high places. This goes against the free market dynamics. |
How?
And what exactly are they doing to control and regulate the competition?
You've offered no evidence of any kind to back up your assertions other than your assertions. The merger of AI and IC is not evidence of monopolistic action by Jet. If anything, under all antitrust theories and 200 years of global precedence, the AI/IC merger would be subject to antitrust review, but for the fact that market definitions prior to an antitrust review would clear the merger. Within the domestic market, IC, DN and Jet have market shares within 5% of each other, and in international markets, AI/IC would in fact have a larger share of the overall market.
Finally, this is not a case of Bajaj Autos and Hindustan Motors. India doesn't have the license Raj. You can get any product you want. If anything the last vestige of state control over commodities is the preference granted by the GOI to AI/IC to certain lucrative markets like the Gulf. |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Air India has just announced that A-I staff will now to double up as ticket agents. The scheme is that the employees will now to sell tickets, besides travel agents, which works to to be 15,500 staff. The staff will be compensated for their sales skills with a package to be worked out later.
Thulasi says the move is to make AI employees participate in the rebranding, in context of the merger with IA. A formal announcement is expected soon.
He also has said that the rebranding for AI is being modified for the post merger situation.
AI is also planning to slash free upgrades. To begin with, Thulasi will no longer fly first class and has requested all senior staff and employees to leave first class alone and instead opt for business. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thulasi might not fly firt class, but he and others in AI mgmt will certainly be travelling business class, as will their families along with their second and third-cousins! As so will fat good for nothing canadians who will mooch of Air India using their fathers connections!
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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karatecatman wrote: |
AI is also planning to slash free upgrades. To begin with, Thulasi will no longer fly first class and has requested all senior staff and employees to leave first class alone and instead opt for business. |
Well, they will have to increase the size of their Business Class. then Just 26 seats in their B744s won't cut it anymore between Ministers, MPs, MLAs, friends and families of the same, AI employees (past, present and future) and their families, assorted chamchas of every Shiv Sainik in Mumbai whose cousin works for AI, etc. In any case, when you fly AI First Class, the cabin is rarely full (I've flown AI First only after having been upgraded from a full fare J Clas ticket, and believe me, I was the only one in the packed cabin who wasn't AI staff and family).
Thulasidas may as well fly First Class as befits the CEO of the airline. |
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vivekman Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Wow! that was quick...
But isn't 9W's 773ER supposed to roll-out before VT-ALB? Coz its nowhere to be seen...Or was it after VT-ALB?
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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vivekman wrote: | Wow! that was quick...
But isn't 9W's 773ER supposed to roll-out before VT-ALB? Coz its nowhere to be seen...Or was it after VT-ALB?
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There is a advt for engineers with B773 approval to start from early April in Mumbai.........guess its for JET. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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My friends dad was sent for the T7 training to Seattle way back in September.He is an AME in Jet.
So i guess 9W are already ready for the induction. _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Air India will be announcing a prelim schedule for the incoming 777-200LRs.
First route will be BOM- JFK non stop flights with 7 frequencies per week to the following schedule.
JFK Arrival 07:30
JFK Departure 21:30
Interestingly, all the AI bill boards in Chennai are now in poly-vinyl. Brings to an end the era of handpainting the metal. The latest ads have Sania Mirza sitting on what looks like the new J seat for the new 777s and drinking coffee. The seat is in a large drawing room and the line is: "Air India, a home away from home."
"Air India --- Fly Well".
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Air India will also be handing out maintenance of cabins of the 747-400, 777 series to vendors/maintenance agencies.
They will rectify all reported defects:
in overhead bins
seats in economy class
check electrical /Manual operation of all seats in F and J and rectify all faults.
Check galley equipment fully which will now include microwave ovens.
Do a full operational check of IFE (audio and video) and reading lights in F and J
Check and service Lap Top power Points in Fand J
Check and service all defects in economy class seats including IFE/audio/video and reading lights
Check cabin illumination lights and cabin boarding music systems
Toilets
Check for leakage, bowl defects, vaccum blowers, toilet smoke detection system, water heater, toilet lights (mirror light and call Light), toilet door.
Cabin crew will also have to do frequent checks and note down every complaint in notebooks. AI management is working out a small allowance for cabin crew for this.
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | My friends dad was sent for the T7 training to Seattle way back in September.He is an AME in Jet.
So i guess 9W are already ready for the induction. |
9W has sent it's first batch of pilots to Seattle for training. _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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KCM wrote: | First route will be BOM- JFK non stop flights with 7 frequencies per week to the following schedule.
JFK Arrival 07:30
JFK Departure 21:30 |
That's a painfully long layover in JFK for the a/c! Is there any reason they don't have the return sector take off at say 10 am and get to India by 5 am the next day - that would be an ideal arrival time in India! |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Suposed to be linked to crew rest time and scheduling.
Current groundtime for AI is two hours (maximum). |
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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As per the current pattern, the crew arriving in JFK/EWR returns after completing 2 days. Example: The crew arriving on Mon will return on Wed. _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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himmat01 wrote: | As per the current pattern, the crew arriving in JFK/EWR returns after completing 2 days. Example: The crew arriving on Mon will return on Wed. |
So it'll be the same crew that does the full 2 way journey? Is that what the plan is? |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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The LRs may have two sets of flight crew on board. FDTL is now an issue.
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Latest buzz is that the Maharajah may be shown the door. Increasing pressure now finish off the much loved mascot.
"The Palace in the Sky" idea too is being played down as AI is trying to project itself as an airline thats young!!! This may also have to do with Sania Mirza appearing in the latest AI ads and Air India doing away with having the Maharajah to make an announcement every time.
Sania may ("may" is the main word) become the AI brand ambassador. If India emerges good in the ICC World Cricket Cup, AI might use a few players in their ad campaigns. |
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: |
So it'll be the same crew that does the full 2 way journey? Is that what the plan is? |
I was talking about the current flights to JFK and EWR. The EWR pattern
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AI-191/MON 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/WED 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/FRI-SAT 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/MON-TUE 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/TUE 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/THU 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/SAT-SUN 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/TUE-WED 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/WED 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/FRI 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/SUN-MON 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/WED-THU 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/THU 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/SAT 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/MON-TUE 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/THU-FRI 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/FRI 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/SUN 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/TUE-WED 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/FRI-SAT 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/SAT 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/MON 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/WED-THU 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/SAT-SUN 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
AI-191/SUN 0745 BOM/CDG 1245
AI-191/TUE 1430 CDG/EWR 1630
AI-144/THU-FRI 2110 EWR/CDG 1000
AI-144/SUN-MON 1130 CDG/BOM 0020
The India-FRA-LAX pattern is:
Captain and FO
IC-866/TUE(PAX) 0900 BOM/DEL 1055
AI-137/WED 0820 DEL/FRA 1235
AI-137/SAT 1400 FRA/LAX 1645
AI-136/MON-TUE 1915 LAX/FRA 1500
AI-136/THU-FRI 1625 FRA/DEL 0430
IC-165/SAT(PAX) 0800 DEL/BOM 0955
IC-866/FRI(PAX) 0900 BOM/DEL 1055
AI-137/SAT 0820 DEL/FRA 1235
AI-137/MON 1400 FRA/LAX 1645
AI-136/WED-THU 1915 LAX/FRA 1500
AI-136/SUN-MON 1625 FRA/DEL 0430
IC-165/TUE(PAX) 0800 DEL/BOM 0955
IC-866/SUN(PAX) 0900 BOM/DEL 1055
AI-137/MON 0820 DEL/FRA 1235
AI-137/WED 1400 FRA/LAX 1645
AI-136/SAT-SUN 1915 LAX/FRA 1500
AI-136/TUE-WED 1625 FRA/DEL 0430
IC-165/THU(PAX) 0800 DEL/BOM 0955
2nd Captain. (On FRA-LAX sectors, there are 2 captains)
AI-127/MON 0805 BOM/FRA 1230
AI-137/WED 1400 FRA/LAX 1645
AI-136/SAT-SUN 1915 LAX/FRA 1500
AI-126/TUE 1135 FRA/BOM 2350
IC-866/WED(PAX) 0900 BOM/DEL 1055
AI-127/THU 0845 DEL/FRA 1300
AI-137/SAT 1400 FRA/LAX 1645
AI-136/MON-TUE 1915 LAX/FRA 1500
AI-126/FRI 113 FRA/BOM 2350 _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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