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karatecatman
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News_by_Industry/Kingfishers_first_intl_flight/articleshow/3372992.cms
Kingfisher plans to launch its first intl flight on Sept 3
17 Aug, 2008, 1043 hrs IST, PTI
MUMBAI: Vijay Mallya-spearheaded Kingfisher Airlines, plans to launch its first international flight on September 3 with a direct Bangalore-London flight. "The countdown has begun. We are all set to fly to London from Bangalore on September 3," a Kingfisher Airlines official said.
The airline has already secured permission to fly to 13 overseas destinations. A senior DGCA official confirmed the granting of permission to the airline to conduct overseas operations. Kingfisher now plans to launch flights to the US, UK, UAE, Singapore, Thailand, Maldives, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Hong Kong.
"We are fully geared up for our London flight scheduled for September 3," the Kingfisher official said, adding schedules for the other destinations are presently being fine-tuned. Kingfisher plans to deploy an Airbus 330-200 on the Bangalore-London sector.
The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) had last month granted permission to Deccan Aviation Limited to fly to 13 countries from August 26, the day the airline would be completing the mandatory five years of domestic operations to become eligible for overseas operations.
Kingfisher and Deccan Aviation, originally promoted by Captain Gopinath, have now merged. Under normal circumstances, Kingfisher would have to wait for two more years to complete the five-year term mandatory to become eligible for overseas flying.
But now, following the merger with Deccan, the Government has allowed Kingfisher to fly overseas under both brands-Simplyfy Deccan and Kingfisher
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Call centres don't have any idea about this plan. Asked to check up at the end of the month!!! |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| karatecatman wrote: | | "We are all set to fly to London from Bangalore on September 3," |
WTF? Hahahah! This is actually worse than Air India in many ways! |
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| you think that is funny .....u want too see their staff here at LHR London! |
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Starting Sept 3
IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450 10 hrs 40 mins
IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235 10 hrs
Flights to be operated by an A330-200 daily in a 2 class configuration. |
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| Does BLR-LHR have enough premium traffic to make Mallya's little fantasy financially viable? |
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Not too good a job advertising this flight.....They have 2 girls here running around in a bright red uniform trying to tell all they are starting up....
One tried telling me that the A321 was coming to LHR from India!! Same girl asked me the best way of staying and living in UK for her as she was here for a month or so for start up......???
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karatecatman
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mallya has been quoted as saying he will be charging more than BA --- class-wise basis!
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Call centres of Kingfisher still say they have no idea about the international schedule.
Even when given the flight numbers, they got back after being on hold for 5 minutes to say the whole schedule is uncertain. |
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1. OMG! Is the fat and bearded one for real? It's almost late August and he wants to start in 2 weeks?
2. That schedule looks strange - either he's planning to use 2 aircraft to do the rotations, or he's going to base his planes in London.
3. Oh hell no. I have no basis to back this up, but I'll bet my ass that BLR-LHR does not have enough traffic to make the route financially viable.
4. Whatever happened to IT getting hitched to KLM and setting up house at AMS?
5. Am I a terrible person to feel excited about the inevitable sense of schaudenfreude>  |
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| avbuff wrote: | Starting Sept 3
IT 001 BLR - LHR 0840 1450 10 hrs 40 mins
IT 002 LHR - BLR 2205 1235 10 hrs
Flights to be operated by an A330-200 daily in a 2 class configuration. |
Sent by email
From Business Traveller UK
Kingfisher poised to inaugurate London flights
Published: 13/08/2008
India’s Kingfisher Airlines will make Bangalore-London its first international route, with the inaugural flight set for the first week in September.
Kingfisher’s other proposed London service, departing Mumbai, will now be delayed with a possible start date later this year.
What is certain is that Kingfisher’s non-stop daily flight operated by a two-class Airbus A330-200 will depart Bangalore in the morning to arrive in Heathrow in the early afternoon. The return service is set to depart Heathrow in the evening which would then provide an early morning arrival in Bangalore on the following day.
The airline is in the midst of finalising prices for the new service but these are expected to be highly competititive. Kingfisher will have to price keenly because it will be up against British Airways which currently flies Heathrow-Bangalore daily non-stop with a larger four-class B747-400.
In other news Kingfisher admits that high fuel prices have prompted its delay plans to launch ultra long-haul non-stop flights with Airbus A340-500s between Bangalore, San Francisco and New York. The airline is unable to confirm or deny persistent reports that when these flights start they will be routed via Amsterdam (from where passengers will be able to connect onto the KLM/Skyteam global network) to economise on fuel costs.
Kingfisher (which operates an extensive domestic Indian network) has now established a toll-free number (0800 0470810) enabling UK-based passengers to make enquiries.
The provision to use mobile phone on board is likely to be introduced on the flight. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| karatecatman wrote: |
Kingfisher (which operates an extensive domestic Indian network) has now established a toll-free number (0800 0470810) enabling UK-based passengers to make enquiries.
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KCM, since the India call centre has no idea, you may wanna try calling the above number to find out more details. Hopefully they will know better!  |
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Update
Info from BIAL flight information centre is that:
Latest schedule for Kingfisher to be loaded into the flight information board/53-counter FIDS (Flight Information Display Systems) in a day or two is:
Departure
Kingfisher IT011
Dep Bengaluru 2300 hrs for New York
Days of operation M T W T F S S
Equipment: Airbus A340-500HGW/A332
Kingfisher IT001*
Dep Bengaluru 0130 hrs for San Francisco
Days of operation M T W T F S S
Equipment: Airbus A340-500HGW/A332
Arrival
Kingfisher IT012
New York Arrival Bengaluru 1130 hrs
Days of operations M T W T F S S
Equipment: Airbus A340-500HGW/A332
Kingfisher IT002*
Arrival Bengaluru from San Francisco 1630 hrs
Days of operations M T W T F S S
Equipment: Airbus A340-500HGW/A332
BIAL says this is the info it has been given from Kingfisher. They were certain about the aircraft type as well. BIAL also says that it has not got any information on the London flight!!!
(Ph: 080-2354 0000; 080-40581111; 080-41979797; 080-66782251; 080-66785318; 080-66785319)
Doesn't make sense at all. A345s are still in Toulouse and the A332s are in India!!
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Call centres of Kingfisher still say they have no idea of the intl schedules. When told that all major dailies say it is September 3, they kinda got aggressive and said they had no idea and to check after a month!! |
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Its loaded on the Kingfisher website now!!!!! Check this out:
http://www.flykingfisher.com/international/index.html
Get ready to experience luxury at 40,000 feet above the ground. This isn’t a dream. India’s favourite 5-star certified airline is inviting you for an international flying experience like never before. With us, you are never a traveller, but a special guest. So come experience the next level in comfort and service; on the ground and in the skies. Welcome aboard Kingfisher Airlines.
Now fly daily & direct between Bangalore & London.
And finally you can book tickets from BLR to LHR!!!!!!!!!
Here are the details:
Depart: 08:40
Arrive: 14:50
Wednesday, 10 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
Wednesday, 10 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 1
Cabin: Kingfisher / Airbus A330
Depart: 22:05
Arrive: 12:35
Monday, 15 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
Tuesday, 16 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 2
Cabin: Kingfisher / Airbus A330
The Economy Class fare is INR 43523.
1 Adult: 18730.00 +Additional Charges: 24793.00 = 43523.00 INR
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The Kingfisher First fare is pretty stiff!
Depart: 08:40
Arrive: 14:50
Wednesday, 10 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
Wednesday, 10 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 1
Cabin: Kingfisher First/ Airbus A330
Depart: 22:05
Arrive: 12:35
Monday, 15 September 08
London Heathrow , GB (LHR)
Tuesday, 16 September 08
Bangalore , IN (BLR)
KINGFISHER AIRLINES /Operated by: DECCAN TRADING AS KINGFISHER AIRLINES
Non-Stop / IT 2
Cabin: Kingfisher First/ Airbus A330
1 Adult: 135000.00 +Additional Charges: 47045.00 = 182045.00 INR |
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Here are some more details on their International product from the website:
http://www.flykingfisher.com/international/k-experience.html
Plush Lounges
The comfort of the Kingfisher Lounge cannot be described, it can only be felt. Once there unwind yourself and lie back in the plush couches. Whether its business or family, our Wi-Fi network will make sure you’re connected with the rest of the world at all times. And if you have worked up an appetite, help yourself to a delicious selection of world-class beverages and cuisines.
INFLIGHT SERVICES
Comfort
When you fly Kingfisher Airlines, you will feel the difference in every little detail. The expansive legroom, the fully lie flat bed in Kingfisher First and the widest seat pitch in the skies, allows you to stretch those tired muscles to the fullest. Thought delights like touch screen seat controls, sensuous mood lighting, unique starry sky, in-seat chargers, in-seat massagers, an exclusive amenity kit and facilities like jacket ironing are all there to give you a feeling of sheer luxury.
Entertainment
Air Premiere, the premium Kingfisher Airlines entertainment show is created to make the most of your moments on board. With a collection of the biggest Bollywood, Hollywood and World Cinema hits, best-loved TV shows, exciting games and videos to suit your taste, business bytes and legendary music concerts, streaming in through Bose noise-cancellation headphones, you will experience entertainment at its best. Alternatively, you could pick a book from the onboard library, or shop in our “Air boutique” or stay in touch with the world below with Wi-Fi connectivity, web chat and email. One thing is certain; on board a Kingfisher Airlines flight, you will never have a dull moment. |
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Interestingly, BAA Heathrow/Heathrow Flight Information Centre, in an email (***@baa.com), says its listings show the Kingfisher London flight as a code share with Virgin Atlantic via Mumbai/Delhi!
Bangalore (BLR) - Heathrow Airport (LHR)
Kingfisher Airlines
Bangalore (BLR) - Mumbai (BOM)
Kingfisher Airlines
IT0104
Dep: Sep 08 09:00
Arr: Sep 08 10:35
Virgin Atlantic
VS0351
Dep: Sep 08 13:35
Arr: Sep 08 18:45
Kingfisher Airlines
IT0202
Dep: Sep 08 06:40
Arr: Sep 08 09:20
Virgin Atlantic
VS0301
Dep: Sun 28 Sep 08 13:15
Arr: Sun 28 Sep 08 17:55
London-Heathrow to Bangalore is
Virgin Atlantic
VS0300
Dep: Wed 03 Sep 08 22:00
Arr: Thu 04 Sep 08 11:00
Kingfisher Airlines
IT0205
Dep: Thu 04 Sep 08 17:30
Arr: Thu 04 Sep 08 20:00
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The email adds that for more information on Kingfisher, I can contact the BAA Airport Ecology centre!  |
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| They still looking for handling agent at LHR....you could be in for a wait for the Jetway to .. |
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| jasepl wrote: | 3. Oh hell no. I have no basis to back this up, but I'll bet my ass that BLR-LHR does not have enough traffic to make the route financially viable.
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Considering all the possible long haul destinations, if BLR-LHR won’t work what will?
It might not be an instant gold mine, but don’t bet your ass on it not making money in the long run.
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{Admin note - I've separated discussion around this flight from the main "Kingfisher news part 2" thread.}
Kingfisher's full page ad in today's local ToI - on the back page...
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| Since IT has interline agreement with many airlines including BA, is it possible to currently book say BLR-LHR-SEA on IT/BA through the SABRE and other reservation systems? |
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| stealthpilot wrote: | | jasepl wrote: | 3. Oh hell no. I have no basis to back this up, but I'll bet my ass that BLR-LHR does not have enough traffic to make the route financially viable.
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Considering all the possible long haul destinations, if BLR-LHR won’t work what will?
It might not be an instant gold mine, but don’t bet your ass on it not making money in the long run. |
Long run is a different story and is best judged when the market is mature enough.
And since you asked, no, I don't think there is a single long-haul route from Bangalore that can make money on O&D alone.
Yes, there are thousands of people travelling from Bangalore every day, headed to all kinds of faraway cities. But 50+ premium passengers to any one single city - no way. That's where BA AF etc come in. They make money because they can take people to a hundred different places from BLR. IT cannot. Not right now anyway. |
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Well Kingfisher needs an interline agreement where it can feed pax to multiple destinations. You're right on that one.
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Whose handling Mx at LHR for IT?
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| HAWK21M wrote: | Whose handling Mx at LHR for IT?
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Given they've tied up with AF/KL for the slot and lounge etc., it's possible they've gone whole hog and AF/KL will do their MX as well?
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| Nimish wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: | Whose handling Mx at LHR for IT?
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Given they've tied up with AF/KL for the slot and lounge etc., it's possible they've gone whole hog and AF/KL will do their MX as well? |
From the Financial Times, London
25/08/08 Kevin Done/Financial Times
Mr Mallya said that Kingfisher had signed an agreement with Air France Industries, the engineering division of Air France-KLM for the maintenance and technical support of its entire widebody fleet as part of a wide-ranging deal with the leading European carrier.
Kingfisher has also agreed to use Air France-KLM ground handling services for its operation at London's Heathrow Terminal 4 and has negotiated a three-year lease to use one pair of Air France-KLM take-off and landing slots at Heathrow.
The other slot pair in the congested London market has come from the Heathrow slot co-ordinator. |
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| jasepl wrote: | | Yes, there are thousands of people travelling from Bangalore every day, headed to all kinds of faraway cities. But 50+ premium passengers to any one single city - no way. That's where BA AF etc come in. They make money because they can take people to a hundred different places from BLR. IT cannot. Not right now anyway. |
And now comes this apparently half-baked plan of doing one-off international flights from each major airport (similar to the I'll-take-five-of-each-airbus idea)... I'm sure Mallya & Co have put some thought into it, but seriously, what are they thinking! It's something different every day.
Bangalore based airline... First international flight from Bombay... No, make that BLR-LHR... Oh we're moving base to Bombay, but the BLR flight stays...
I mean there doesn't seem to be a coherent line of thought with IT. Not so far anyway. |
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| HAWK21M wrote: | Whose handling Mx at LHR for IT?
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Very reluctantly KLM.....they tried all to get out of it.....BA & AA both refused.
Wont be much Maintenance anyway as KLM LHR do not commit to more than the very least transit check and MEL defer everything else back to base. Here at LHR MX guys employed by airlines run from a/c to another. IT is simply a moneymaking business for them. No love to aircraft is given here!! |
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Outbound flights for this week:
| Code: | BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
WED 03 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 118 BLR 06:45 LHR 12:35 744 0 F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E6 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 1 BLR 08:40 LHR 14:50 330 0 J7 C5 D3 I0 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
THU 04 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 118 BLR 06:05 LHR 11:50 744 0 F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 1 BLR 08:40 LHR 14:50 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
FRI 05 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 118 BLR 06:45 LHR 12:35 744 0 F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 1 BLR 08:40 LHR 14:50 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
SAT 06 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 118 BLR 06:45 LHR 12:35 744 0 F3 A3 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E2 Y0 B0 H0 K0 0 0
IT 1 BLR 08:40 LHR 14:50 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I3 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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Return flights for this week:
| Code: | LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
WED 03 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 119 LHR 13:50 BLR 03:55 +1 744 0 F5 A5 J9 C9 D9 R8 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 2 LHR 22:05 BLR 12:35 +1 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
THU 04 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 119 LHR 14:10 BLR 04:15 +1 744 0 F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 2 LHR 22:05 BLR 12:35 +1 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
FRI 05 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 119 LHR 14:15 BLR 04:20 +1 744 0 F3 A3 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 2 LHR 22:05 BLR 12:35 +1 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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| Code: | LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
SAT 06 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 119 LHR 14:10 BLR 04:15 +1 744 0 F2 A2 J9 C9 D9 R9 I8 E3 Y9 B8 H8 K6 0 0
IT 2 LHR 22:05 BLR 12:35 +1 330 0 J7 C7 D7 I7 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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Does not look like a busy week for either carrier...
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I was bored earlier and so I did something similar, except that I checked all India-LHR flights to do a little comparison. This was for yesterday 31 Aug, btw
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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9W 120 BOM 01:45 LHR 06:45 77W 0 F0 A0 C0 J0 Z0 I0 P0 Y0 M0 T0 U0 N0 L0 Q0
BA 138 BOM 02:15 LHR 07:30 744 0 F0 A0 J2 C1 D1 R0 I0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 0 0
AI 125 BOM 08:55 LHR 13:55 744 0 F8 A4 J5 C4 D4 W7 Y7 B4 H0 K0 L0 M0 V0 G0
9W 118 BOM 12:55 LHR 17:55 77W 0 F0 A0 C0 J0 Z0 I0 P0 Y0 M0 T0 U0 N0 L0 Q0
BA 198 BOM 13:15 LHR 18:20 777 0 F1 A1 J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 0 0
AI 131 BOM 13:30 LHR 18:40 332 0 J9 C5 D5 W0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 L0 M0 V0 G0 Q0
VS 351 BOM 13:35 LHR 18:45 343 0 J4 D3 R3 Z3 S0 Y0 B0 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0 0 0
BA 142 DEL 02:10 LHR 06:55 777 0 F4 A4 J1 C1 D1 R0 I0 E0 Y4 B0 H0 K0 0 0
AI 111 DEL 06:45 LHR 11:30 77W 0 F4 A4 J9 C9 D0 W0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 L0 M0 V0 G0
BA 256 DEL 08:15 LHR 13:10 777 0 J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 E0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 0 0
VS 301 DEL 13:15 LHR 17:55 346 0 J0 D0 R0 Z0 S0 Y0 B0 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0 0 0
9W 122 DEL 14:00 LHR 18:30 77W 0 F2 A2 C4 J4 Z0 I0 P0 Y0 M0 T0 U0 N0 L0 Q0
BA 118 BLR 06:45 LHR 12:35 744 0 F1 A1 J3 C3 D3 R0 I0 E0 Y4 B4 H0 K0 0 0
9W 124 ATQ 14:25 LHR 19:05 332 0 C7 J7 Z7 I7 P2 Y6 M6 T6 U0 N0 L0 Q0 S0 K0
BA 1036 MAA 08:05 LHR 14:20 777 0 J1 C1 D1 R1 I1 E0 Y1 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 0 0
BA 146 CCU 07:55 LHR 14:00 777 0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0 L0 0 0
AI 133 AMD 10:35 LHR 15:10 763 0 J4 C4 D4 W4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 L9 M9 V9 G2 Q0
Doesn't take much to confirm which carrier's not getting the bums in its seats! |
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| Nimish wrote: | Outbound flights for this week:
| Code: | BLR Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
WED 03 Sep 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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BA 118 BLR 06:45 LHR 12:35 744 0 F7 A6 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E6 Y9 B9 H9 K9 0 0
IT 1 BLR 08:40 LHR 14:50 330 0 J7 C5 D3 I0 K7 Y7 B7 L7 Q7 M7 W7 V7 S7 U0
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Am I seeing things, or does it really say VOBG? I thought we're VOBL now?
As an aside, whether this LHR plan would result in a schadenfreude or not, I've come to admire VJM's spunk. Reminds me of a certain Sherawat in moviedom.. |
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| flightgearpilot wrote: |
Am I seeing things, or does it really say VOBG? I thought we're VOBL now?
As an aside, whether this LHR plan would result in a schadenfreude or not, I've come to admire VJM's spunk. Reminds me of a certain Sherawat in moviedom.. |
It's all VOBL in reality, however the KVS tool which I used probably has a bug in there!
Mallya vs. Sherawat - kind of like chalk and cheese in most aspects
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| Nimish wrote: | | flightgearpilot wrote: |
Am I seeing things, or does it really say VOBG? I thought we're VOBL now?
As an aside, whether this LHR plan would result in a schadenfreude or not, I've come to admire VJM's spunk. Reminds me of a certain Sherawat in moviedom.. |
It's all VOBL in reality, however the KVS tool which I used probably has a bug in there!
Mallya vs. Sherawat - kind of like chalk and cheese in most aspects |
Mallike's better off than Mallya. At least she doesn't need to throw money at people to attract attention. She has other resources  |
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There seems to be a lot of prejudgement about the flight in question and lots of data misinterpreted (which is ofcourse a luxury data gives).
I confine myself to saying that in addition to more glamorous departments like Engineering,Flight Ops, Crewing etc most major airlines also have a department called Network/Route/Strategic Planning and the people who run the department in the respective airlines base their decision on something more concrete than guess work!!!! |
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Punjabi Boy
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| TKMCE wrote: | There seems to be a lot of prejudgement about the flight in question and lots of data misinterpreted (which is ofcourse a luxury data gives).
I confine myself to saying that in addition to more glamorous departments like Engineering,Flight Ops, Crewing etc most major airlines also have a department called Network/Route/Strategic Planning and the people who run the department in the respective airlines base their decision on something more concrete than guess work!!!! |
I totally agree............seems to be a few here who are gunning for this Kingfisher flight to go wrong.......Lets all see what happens........what happened to the patriotic India? |
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Oh! scratch me off that list, please. I'll be very happy to see both VJM (and Mallika Sherawat) succeed in whatever they are up to..  |
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| TKMCE wrote: | There seems to be a lot of prejudgement about the flight in question and lots of data misinterpreted (which is ofcourse a luxury data gives).
...department called Network/Route/Strategic Planning and the people who run the department in the respective airlines base their decision on something more concrete than guess work!!!! |
In the lack of any other data source to us outsiders, this is the best we have to go on. Undoubtedly the folks in the airline planning team have a far richer access to data, but we don't see any of them contributing to this discussion. Hence it's left to us laymen to take this forwards the best we can !
I would appreciate if you could provide corrections or better guidelines to the interpretations where appropriate.
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| TKMCE wrote: | There seems to be a lot of prejudgement about the flight in question and lots of data misinterpreted (which is ofcourse a luxury data gives).
I confine myself to saying that in addition to more glamorous departments like Engineering,Flight Ops, Crewing etc most major airlines also have a department called Network/Route/Strategic Planning and the people who run the department in the respective airlines base their decision on something more concrete than guess work!!!! |
Oh of course, they definitely would have experts and all that making informed decisions on what routes to fly etc. And no one's said anything to suggest otherwise. It's just that, like Nimish said,
Also, don't ever underestimate the appetite of an overinflated ego
Just compare with how composed and systematic Jet's expansion and growth has been, and how it appears at least that there was more though put into their planning. And even then they're struggling in many ways.
Of course the crassness and vulgarity that are Mallya and his airline doesnt really help their image cause.
So, all that considered, lots of people do feel this sense of schaudenfreude coming on, because from what the public sees and hears, IT could be on the way to spectacular failure (which will be so much fun to watch unfold!). Or, less likely, great success. Which will be wonderful, just not so much fun |
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jasepl
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: LOL! |
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| Punjabi Boy wrote: | | what happened to the patriotic India? |
Ooh... Misplaced talks of patriotism from a foreigner. How totally amusingly precious! |
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Punjabi Boy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: LOL! |
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| jasepl wrote: | | Punjabi Boy wrote: | | what happened to the patriotic India? |
Ooh... Misplaced talks of patriotism from a foreigner. How totally amusingly precious! |
I might be based USA & UK but at least i am not ready to shoot even before it is up in the air.....my point was give them a chance.
once again a comment from foreign soil hits a nerve. |
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Punjabi Boy
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IT could be on the way to spectacular failure (which will be so much fun to watch unfold!). Or, less likely, great success. Which will be wonderful, just not so much fun |
not very nice is it?
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