Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Discuss Kingfisher's BLR-LHR flight Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Punjabi Boy Member Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 219 Location: LONDON LHR Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Believe me you will not complain once you have seen our average age 61 year old trolley dolleys..... Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Punjabi Boy wrote: still not figured how to post on this site........ Did you try those sites I had mentioned to you in another post? Picasa, Flickr, Photobucket or Imageshack.us? They are pretty self explanatory. Back to top karatecatman Guest Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/09/08/stories/2008090850210200.htm Kingfisher to avoid price war, boost passenger load to London Quotes In another development, Kingfisher Airlines will fly to 17 international destinations within a year, including a non-stop flight to San Francisco from November. The airline’s Vice-President for global sales, Mr Sivaramchandran, told Business Line that once the winter schedules are drawn up, the airline might change its departure timing to London to allow more passengers from other southern cities to hop on to the flight. At present, Kingfisher Airlines’ flight takes off from Bangalore at 8.30 a.m. every day to reach London around 2.30 p.m. (local time). The airline is also fine-tuning its in-flight offerings as well as removing some of the glitches in its operations to make the London flight more efficient. Kingfisher Airlines is not just looking at Indians but also wants to woo foreigners. “What this does is that we don’t necessarily depend on Indians to fill up our seats,” Mr Sivramachandran said. He said the response to the airline’s decision to launch flights to London towards the end of the peak season was “surprising”. “It would be foolish to enter into a price war at this time,” he said. Terming the move by international airlines to reduce the fares in response to Kingfisher Airlines’ flight to London as unprecedented, the airline’s Executive Vice-President, Mr Hitesh Patel, said his airline will not get embroiled in the price war. He said passenger load factor for the airline will gradually increase to a level that could see Kingfisher Airlines breakeven sooner than expected. For an international airline to break even on a particular sector it should have between 70 and 75 per cent passenger load factor. “We hope to achieve that much, much sooner and breakeven before the year is complete,” he said. Mr Patel said the airline had factored in the competitors’ move in response to the launch of the new flight to London. “We expect to increase our load factor gradually and hence don’t want to get into any kind of price wars,” he said. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Any updates on this first intl route for IT? How's it doing so far? Both from the loads and dispatch reliability perspective... _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: A friend of mine who works with BIAL was telling me tht the IT flights to LHR are gng with abt 40% load factor. Back to top rutvij Member Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1390 Location: Skies of Fire! Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: ^^ Thts really sad. Hope it improves. Back to top Punjabi Boy Member Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 219 Location: LONDON LHR Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Been coming to the next stand to COs Houston flights...and boy the lounge always looks a bad load ...but it is early days Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Its a new flight, and its the lean travel season in and out of India, so it may improve. And its only O&D traffic. I'm surprised its doing as well as 40%. Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Kingfisher should do well eventually if according to the article they are actually going to implement the changes. Let us see the loads in the peak season i.e in December; things should be even clearer. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: On checking the weekend ticket availability on IT and BA, BA was sold out in Y, but IT has even it's cheapest seats available. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 711 Location: VOBL Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: On checking the weekend ticket availability on IT and BA, BA was sold out in Y, but IT has even it's cheapest seats available. Strange.. Is it the price differentials or something else? How is the first class in IT doing? Any numbers there? Back to top Punjabi Boy Member Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 219 Location: LONDON LHR Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Maybe something to do with no-one even noticed Kingfishers flight here at LHR.....The only players who get noticed are the big fishes BA UA AA LH etc etc.....Jet only now started to get noticed at LHR after a few years!! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: flightgearpilot wrote: Strange.. Is it the price differentials or something else? How is the first class in IT doing? Any numbers there? Here are the numbers... Code: BLR  Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG] LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL] Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- SAT  20 Sep 2008 BA        118    BLR  06:45     LHR  12:35     744  0    F6 A5 J3 C3 D3 R3 I3 E6 Y9 B5 H5 K1 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0 IT        1      BLR  08:40     LHR  14:50     330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N4 T4 SUN  21 Sep 2008 BA        118    BLR  06:45     LHR  12:35     744  0    F1 A1 J9 C0 D0 R0 I0 E1 Y1 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0 IT        1      BLR  08:40     LHR  14:50     330  0    J0 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N0 T0 MON  22 Sep 2008 BA        118    BLR  06:45     LHR  12:35     744  0    F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9  0  0 IT        1      BLR  08:40     LHR  14:50     330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N4 T4 Code: LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL] BLR  Bangalore Hindustan IN [VOBG] Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- SAT  20 Sep 2008 BA        119    LHR  14:10     BLR  04:15 +1  744  0    F2 A2 J8 C6 D5 R3 I3 E3 Y4 B1 H1 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0  0  0 IT        2      LHR  22:05     BLR  12:35 +1  330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N4 T4 SUN  21 Sep 2008 BA        119    LHR  14:10     BLR  04:15 +1  744  0    F1 A1 J4 C3 D3 R3 I1 E2 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9  0  0 IT        2      LHR  22:05     BLR  12:35 +1  330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N4 T4 MON  22 Sep 2008 BA        119    LHR  14:10     BLR  04:15 +1  744  0    F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 E5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9  0  0 IT        2      LHR  22:05     BLR  12:35 +1  330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Z0 K4 Y4 B4 L4 Q4 M4 W4 V4 S4 U4 O4 G4 H4 N4 T4 _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top TKMCE Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 957 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Wow! The GDS numbers are back! So what is the conclusion ??? Quoting Jaysit Quote: Its a new flight, and its the lean travel season in and out of India, so it may improve. And its only O&D traffic Exactly!!! Also can any one dig up the GDS availability of a Jet Airway's first India UK flight when it was three weeks old and also BAs BLR-LHR flight when again it was three weeks old and then compare!!!! Interesting to see that comparison!!!! Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: On checking the weekend ticket availability on IT and BA, BA was sold out in Y, but IT has even it's cheapest seats available. But a lot of these BA seats may have been bought months ago, many BA flyers are continuing on to North America. And lets not forget that BA has been around forever, and that, perhaps, the only people in the UK who know about Kingfisher's daily flight are their check-in staff. This doesn't negate from the perception many have that Mallya doesn't know what he's doing. A BLR-LHR flight thats O&D, a BOM-SIN flight that's the same. Its all absurd. Its like he's a Johnny-come-lately to the game and all that he's offering is a more swish product in a world of already pretty swish stuff. Will his offer of a better brand of brandy or scotch at 40,000 ft than the already pretty high-end stuff poured by Jet or BA or SQ really attract those high flying frequent flyers upfront from changing their preferred carrier? I don't think so, but maybe Mallya does. The bizarre thing is that BLR is well situated to be a hub airport. The new terminal is better than the crappy AUH and DOH terminals, or even the old Dxb terminal from the 1990s, and IT can surely turn it into a hub for its operations. But he can't just rely on India traffic. He has to do what the big Gulf operators do. That doesn't mean he'll turn IT into an EK overnight, but he may get enough traffic to keep IT afloat for the next decade, and buld up the brand image both within India and overseas. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject: [quote="Jaysit"] Nimish wrote: many BA flyers are continuing on to North America. Bingo! There's no way there is enough London bound traffic from BLR to fill the plane (let alone those who'd rather go by BA for whatever reason). IT will remain handicapped until they're able to take passengers beyond LHR (or anywhere else) to multiple other cities. Even BA wouldn't be able to fill their plane profitably if they couldn't take pax beyond London. Back to top Indian Member Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 101 Location: New Delhi Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: karatecatman wrote: www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/09/05/cnking105.xml Asked if the air hostesses were also better looking than BA's, Mr Mallya declared: "Yes they are. I pick them all myself" - no mean feat with Kingfisher employing 1,200. Just googled and found some pictures of KF's 1st flight to LHR. My personal favourite... the 1st picture undoubtedly. Cant make out if VJM seems excited or is only tired to yawn for the camera after an 8 odd hours flight to LHR. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/2Hd93C9wyj4/First+Flight+Bangalore+London+Kingfisher+Airlines/FshkBhhuA7O _________________ When the world says give up.. Hope whispers try it one more time. Last edited by Indian on Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:03 am; edited 1 time in total Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:03 am    Post subject: Indian wrote: karatecatman wrote: www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/09/05/cnking105.xml Asked if the air hostesses were also better looking than BA's, Mr Mallya declared: "Yes they are. I pick them all myself" - no mean feat with Kingfisher employing 1,200. Just googled and found some pictures of KF's 1st flight to LHR. http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/2Hd93C9wyj4/First+Flight+Bangalore+London+Kingfisher+Airlines/FshkBhhuA7O The only attractive thing in all those pictures was the beer! Back to top sammyk Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 2719 Location: Austin, TX Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:39 am    Post subject: I thought he hand picked his FAs for their beauty...slim pickings? Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: TKMCE wrote: Wow! The GDS numbers are back! So what is the conclusion ??? Why are you so defensive? And how about some positive contribution to these threads instead of dissing people's efforts to make some sense in the lack of real meaningful data? I first asked if there was some information, but as there was no reply, I chose to present standard data which is publicly available to anyone. Did I ever say this is authoritative? Did I ever say that I know the actual loads on these flights? Along with your views on how GDS data is meaningless, I'd really love to hear your views/opinions on how the flight is doing please. It's totally understandable if IT may not have great loads in the first few weeks of launch. And I'm sure IT know that as well - so they're not surprised either - especially given the flight was loaded weeks before launch (instead of months before which gives some time to build up momentum). And BTW, I'm one of the biggest supporter of VJM's efforts to launch flights ex-BLR, and I wish IT all the best in these flights. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: IT will remain handicapped until they're able to take passengers beyond LHR (or anywhere else) to multiple other cities. Even BA wouldn't be able to fill their plane profitably if they couldn't take pax beyond London. Does IT have any tie ups with carriers like VS or CO for carrying passengers onwards ex-LHR? That would probably be the best thing, though LHR is a pretty expensive place if all you're doing is to hand over pax to another carrier... _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: jasepl wrote: IT will remain handicapped until they're able to take passengers beyond LHR (or anywhere else) to multiple other cities. Even BA wouldn't be able to fill their plane profitably if they couldn't take pax beyond London. Does IT have any tie ups with carriers like VS or CO for carrying passengers onwards ex-LHR? That would probably be the best thing, though LHR is a pretty expensive place if all you're doing is to hand over pax to another carrier... Not as far as I know. There was some talk about a deal with KL which would have led to a hub at AMS etc, but that seems to have died down for now. Back to top blrsea Member Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 182 Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Does IT have any tie ups with carriers like VS or CO for carrying passengers onwards ex-LHR? That would probably be the best thing, though LHR is a pretty expensive place if all you're doing is to hand over pax to another carrier... I read on similar thread on A.Net that IT had interline agreement with number of carriers including BA!! Nimish, do those routes with interline partners show up on GDS? 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