Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  VS to cancel BOM LHR from 01FEB15 Goto page 1, 2  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:33 pm    Post subject: VS to cancel BOM LHR from 01FEB15 Airlineroute has reported that effective 01FEB15 VS will cancel BOM LHR service along with NRT, YVR, CPT. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:37 pm    Post subject: What? Didn't they just recently relaunch this route with a lot of band-baajaa? is this a seasonal reduction or are they gone for good? _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: AUH NOO! Red hot turned pale blue _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top Nis Member Joined: 23 Jan 2013 Posts: 17 Location: India Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:47 pm    Post subject: With the amount of direct (and connecting) flights doing LHR-BOM, I won't be surprised if VS is finding it difficult to fill their 330s. Cancelling the NRT route is a surprise move though. Edit: Just read that it is due to their partnership with DL which they want to focus upon. Does it mean that the DL A330 flight will operate as a codeshare flight soon with KLM as well as VS? _________________ "Caution! Wake Turbulence" Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: me111993 wrote: AUH NOO! Red hot turned pale blue Cancelling BOM doesn't mean VS didn't do well . What it means is VS along with JV partner DL will add capacity and frequencies to places where they will simply make more money and in this case this happens to be the US . VS is not IT . It isn't a prestige issue to fly a route . So its not about Red Hot turning pale blue , its about red hot playing their cards well and running a business like a business . VS operate out of LHR where an early morning landing a take off slot costs millions of pounds . If that slot can make more money when used to fly to the US , so be it . As LHR is slot restricted , any growth will be at the expense of current routes unless and until you are BA who can buy BMI can get extra slots . If this was not the case VS would keep all these flights and buy more planes to fly to other routes . Alas that aint happening . If you look at the route changes on the link below released by VS , they will on the whole add 5 weekly SFO services . So they have growth despite the route cuts . http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/us/en/travel-information/customer-service/latest-news/network-changes.html Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:45 pm    Post subject: ^^ Essentially it's Virgin Atlantic going back to a trans-Atlantic focus. It might be Delta looking to expand in LHR, and not finding the slots, so has asked VS to axe a few routes to accommodate more American services. Clearly BOM has lost out in this switch, and I don't know how long DEL will last. The next time DL wants more expansion, I expect the DEL slots to be reassigned to the next American route. After all - if the focus is Trans-Atlantic, then might as well keep that focus and drop the non-Atlantic routes immediately. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top stealthpilot Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:54 pm    Post subject: airbus340 wrote: VS is not IT . It isn't a prestige issue to fly a route . So its not about Red Hot turning pale blue , its about red hot playing their cards well and running a business like a business . Thank god they're not like IT heheheheh I don't think me111993 was being serious when he said that. Obviously VS runs a business, the same as almost every other airline around When an airline starts a route, cans it, restarts it with alot of fanfare, then cans it again people will scratch their heads. As you rightly said the BOM exit doesn't imply they weren't making money- they are redeploying assets .... which in turn implies VS believes other cities will do better. _________________ eP007 Back to top iah87 Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2566 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:04 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: ^^ Essentially it's Virgin Atlantic going back to a trans-Atlantic focus. It might be Delta looking to expand in LHR, and not finding the slots, so has asked VS to axe a few routes to accommodate more American services. Clearly BOM has lost out in this switch, and I don't know how long DEL will last. The next time DL wants more expansion, I expect the DEL slots to be reassigned to the next American route. After all - if the focus is Trans-Atlantic, then might as well keep that focus and drop the non-Atlantic routes immediately. Just as discussed in the BOM/DEL-FRA route, BOM has less loads/yields than DEL due to the smaller catchment area. The DEL route should last a long time since DL has no presence in DEL. VS will continue to code share with Jet on the BOM-LHR route. May be an opportunity for Jet to start thinking of joining Sky Team where they can code share with DL also (assuming India gets back to Cat I status). Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:08 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: ^^ Essentially it's Virgin Atlantic going back to a trans-Atlantic focus. It might be Delta looking to expand in LHR, and not finding the slots, so has asked VS to axe a few routes to accommodate more American services. Clearly BOM has lost out in this switch, and I don't know how long DEL will last. The next time DL wants more expansion, I expect the DEL slots to be reassigned to the next American route. After all - if the focus is Trans-Atlantic, then might as well keep that focus and drop the non-Atlantic routes immediately. Its all about the slots at LHR . BOM used an ultra precious slot at LHR which can be used for a US service . DEL uses a late night departure slot which is worthless when you look at it from a US stand point . The last late evening flights from LHR to the East Coast leave about 9 ish and those involve a late night arrival into the US and for the aircraft to sit on the tarmac all night . West Coast flights cannot be flown leaving LHR late night so i feel DEL , LOS , JNB , DXB for VS are all safe . Also VS have been at DEL from the year 2000 and have a loyal frequent flier base . They seem to be connecting pax to EWR / JFK and more so to EDI / MAN and ABZ with Little Red . Also DL has no presence in DEL as mentioned by another blogger so by the looks of it DEL is here to stay . Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:39 pm    Post subject: Excuses, excuses. Unfortunately, the only way for VS to survive is to be Delta UK Back to top stealthpilot Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:48 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: Unfortunately, the only way for VS to survive is to be Delta UK Looks like they are heading that way .... hope it's just temp. OTOH hope the BOM based staff are looked after for a while. _________________ eP007 Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:08 pm    Post subject: stealthpilot wrote: Jaysit wrote: Unfortunately, the only way for VS to survive is to be Delta UK Looks like they are heading that way .... hope it's just temp. OTOH hope the BOM based staff are looked after for a while. This will be permanent change . Every airline needs feed to fill up their planes . Just O & D from one city to another can fill up planes however not all year round . BA , LH , AF/KLM all have feed from Asia , Europe and Africa for their US operations . VS has very little feed to their US operations from the East or the UK . Some would say there is Little Red and that DEL , BOM , LOS and JNB feed in however the numbers are tiny . So what VS have done is got feed from the US . DL is massive and DL can help fill up VS planes to London and back . So by the looks of it this arrnagment is for good . The ME3 are forcing airlines to change their business model . The likes of BA , LH , AF/ KLM might be able to challenge them purely on the basis of their network and frequencies . VS cant as they are too tiny . VS have found a sweet spot and they will more than survive and make money this way . Back to top Caliguy Member Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 723 Location: Los Angeles Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Well this could be the end of my run with sky team. I am diamond on delta and only reason to stay was india redemptions were easy given VS flights. Without VS I would never get any low wards in J. This is very bad news (for me) Back to top Nis Member Joined: 23 Jan 2013 Posts: 17 Location: India Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Can somebody explain me what does BOM not offer VS that DEL does? This is the second time this route is being axed while DEL has been continuing all this while. DEL also hosts decent competition on the BOM-LHR route with 2xAI, 2xBA, 1x9W flights. _________________ "Caution! Wake Turbulence" Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Caliguy wrote: Well this could be the end of my run with sky team. I am diamond on delta and only reason to stay was india redemptions were easy given VS flights. Without VS I would never get any low wards in J. This is very bad news (for me) Well you can still fly to DEL and take a short domestic hop to/from BOM if it came to that. _________________ Yeah. Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:15 am    Post subject: Nis wrote: Can somebody explain me what does BOM not offer VS that DEL does? This is the second time this route is being axed while DEL has been continuing all this while. DEL also hosts decent competition on the BOM-LHR route with 2xAI, 2xBA, 1x9W flights. Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM . Just Punjab and the tourist circuit of Agra , Jaipur , Udaipur contribute to the O & D to and from DEL . The first time around when VS tried BOM if was an afternoon departure . That didn't work as it was too O & D reliant and more so as they flew their old A343 then . This time around they invested in buying a slot at LHR which can make connections to the US and came back to give BOM a go . They flew their A333 with their latest product but with the ME3 flying to the US on dirth cheap fares , even though planes were full the yields were bad . Had the DL deal not gone through and had VS not identified opportunities of using the same slot and making more money elsewhere , they would not have quit BOM again . VS have also quit Japan where they have flown for more than 25 years . So the decisions were not easy but targeted towards returning to being a niche airline with a focus on their transatlantic network and profitability . Back to top Nis Member Joined: 23 Jan 2013 Posts: 17 Location: India Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: airbus340 wrote: Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM . Just Punjab and the tourist circuit of Agra , Jaipur , Udaipur contribute to the O & D to and from DEL................easy but targeted towards returning to being a niche airline with a focus on their transatlantic network and profitability . Thanks for the reply. So, the VS/DL partnership means the ATL-AMS-BOM flight of Delta will operate as a codeshare with KLM as well as Virgin? Or will VS just let go of BOM completely without any strings attached. _________________ "Caution! Wake Turbulence" Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject: Nis wrote: airbus340 wrote: Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM . Just Punjab and the tourist circuit of Agra , Jaipur , Udaipur contribute to the O & D to and from DEL................easy but targeted towards returning to being a niche airline with a focus on their transatlantic network and profitability . Thanks for the reply. So, the VS/DL partnership means the ATL-AMS-BOM flight of Delta will operate as a codeshare with KLM as well as Virgin? Or will VS just let go of BOM completely without any strings attached. The problem with VS is they are too small and too partner airline dependent to join Skyteam . Look at South Africa , they partner SAA who are Star Alliance . In Japan they have ANA who are Star too . If they join Skyteam , they basically will have to say good bye to Japan and any feed in South Africa . I feel VS will remain independent and the DL flight to BOM will remain a Sky team Partnership flight . 9W use VS for a lot of connections from LHR and VS codeshare on 9W flights to LHR from BOM . This is what will remain as far as BOM is concerned . DEL does well enough on its own and for what its worth will benefits from the DL partnership for folk based in the JFK / EWR area as those VS fights connect onto DEL . Back to top sri_bom Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 2365 Location: Singapore Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:35 pm    Post subject: stealthpilot wrote: Jaysit wrote: Unfortunately, the only way for VS to survive is to be Delta UK Looks like they are heading that way .... hope it's just temp. OTOH hope the BOM based staff are looked after for a while. They have been given the option to join the Delhi team: Virgin Atlantic to give Mumbai-based employees option to join Delhi team News 4-Sep-2014 9:39 AM Virgin Atlantic GM India Stephen King said employees at the Mumbai office will be given an option to join the Delhi team after the carrier announced plans to withdraw operations to Mumbai with the final service from London to Mumbai on 31-Jan-2015 and the final service from Mumbai on 01-Feb-2015 (Live Mint, 03-Sep-2014). The airline however said it would “love to re-enter Mumbai” if London Heathrow Airport achieves its long-overdue expansion. Virgin Atlantic reintroduced Mumbai services in Aug-2012 after a three-year absence from the market. Back to top ssbmat Member Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 1710 Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: airbus340 wrote: Nis wrote: Can somebody explain me what does BOM not offer VS that DEL does? This is the second time this route is being axed while DEL has been continuing all this while. DEL also hosts decent competition on the BOM-LHR route with 2xAI, 2xBA, 1x9W flights. Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM .. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but the politicians that rule Maharashtra from within Bombay and Delhi, in all hues and colours, are responsible for the decline of BOM as the aviation hub. They could have easily worked at BOM to reclaim AAI's rightful land from the slums. But they didnt want to do that for losing votes. The new T2 is 10 years late in the making. And the NAvi Mumbai is still not even gathered any steam. Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:27 pm    Post subject: ssbmat wrote: airbus340 wrote: Nis wrote: Can somebody explain me what does BOM not offer VS that DEL does? This is the second time this route is being axed while DEL has been continuing all this while. DEL also hosts decent competition on the BOM-LHR route with 2xAI, 2xBA, 1x9W flights. Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM .. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but the politicians that rule Maharashtra from within Bombay and Delhi, in all hues and colours, are responsible for the decline of BOM as the aviation hub. They could have easily worked at BOM to reclaim AAI's rightful land from the slums. But they didnt want to do that for losing votes. The new T2 is 10 years late in the making. And the NAvi Mumbai is still not even gathered any steam. Couldn't agree more . Its all this vote bank politics which never let them reclaim the land . And due to obvious constraints AI moved to DEL and has now made it their hub . Vistara had to choose DEL for the same reason . Air Asia has said it will stay away from BOM for all the holding and will now consider DEL as they too feel they can achieve a decent turnaround at DEL if not their 25 minute which they do at other stations . Back to top bangalore Member Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 106 Location: Bangalore Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: airbus340 wrote: Nis wrote: Can somebody explain me what does BOM not offer VS that DEL does? This is the second time this route is being axed while DEL has been continuing all this while. DEL also hosts decent competition on the BOM-LHR route with 2xAI, 2xBA, 1x9W flights. Simply the catchment area for DEL is much larger than BOM . Just Punjab and the tourist circuit of Agra , Jaipur , Udaipur contribute to the O & D to and from DEL . Delhi has grown by leaps and bounds as a business hub in the past 20+ years. It now hosts a huge number businesses, both Indian and Multinational.. The BOM Vs DEL air traffic pattern switch is also a function of Delhi growing in stature as a business city in the past two decades or so.. Delhi GDP (of the city) could already been larger than Bombay's if I am not mistaken Back to top G-BYGB Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1813 Location: Bangalore/Delhi Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:36 pm    Post subject: ssbmat wrote: Sorry to go off on a tangent, but the politicians that rule Maharashtra from within Bombay and Delhi, in all hues and colours, are responsible for the decline of BOM as the aviation hub. They could have easily worked at BOM to reclaim AAI's rightful land from the slums. But they didnt want to do that for losing votes. The new T2 is 10 years late in the making. And the NAvi Mumbai is still not even gathered any steam. Indeed, we could see the slums around the airport vicinity, being history. Although for a different reason, but there is a talk from the Civil Aviation Ministry, that these slums pose a security threat to Mumbai International Airport. They have insisted that it must go. This comes around the backdrop of the recent video from Al-Qaeda leader of launching its branch of terror in India. Come what may, these slums must go. The slum dwellers should put India's security first and the local politicians must forego their selfish interests. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:10 pm    Post subject: Coming back to VS. airbus340, do you think VS will introduce flights to more Indian destinations like BLR, HYD or MAA, as more 787-9s are acquired? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:27 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: Coming back to VS. airbus340, do you think VS will introduce flights to more Indian destinations like BLR, HYD or MAA, as more 787-9s are acquired? I don't think so . VS will focus on the US market working with JV partner DL . They will return to BOM if and when LHR has a third runway and they have slots . DEL gets the 787-9 though so that will help route profitability . So VS will just keep a token presence in India via DEL , South Africa via JNB , Far East with HKG . LOS will stay too . I wont be surprised if PVG and DXB are pulled too and more US routes added . Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:08 pm    Post subject: I know I'm rather late here, but: HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:34 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: I know I'm rather late here, but: HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH! I'm sorry. Once wasn't enough. HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH! _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:05 pm    Post subject: Is this part of an overall "The world ends at Europe" strategy from the boffins at ATL? _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:28 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Is this part of an overall "The world ends at Europe" strategy from the boffins at ATL? Who knows. But that airline should be renamed. Virgin Atlanta is more appropriate. On the other hand, she's hardly virginal anymore. So that's another mislabel. Or, as Willie Walsh said : "We just call them Delta now". _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:00 am    Post subject: jasepl wrote: Or, as Willie Walsh said : "We just call them Delta now". Fascinating - I did not know that! _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:31 am    Post subject: Nimish wrote: jasepl wrote: Or, as Willie Walsh said : "We just call them Delta now". Fascinating - I did not know that! Well Willie has started to get a lot more vocal about the VS/DL tie up as it is starting to hit BA/AA on their home turf i.e the American heartland hard now . From next Summer VS/DL will have 3 flights to LAX and 2 flights a day SFO . BA has 2 a day to SFO and LAX . ATL will be twice daily VS and one daily DL . BA/ AA is just one daily . EWR will be one daily DL / VS each . AA/ BA are the same . JFK will be 5 daily VS ( that is one new JFK rotation added ) and 3 daily operated by DL . BA/ AA have 12 daily flights between them . VS and DL share terminals both at LHR ( which BA/ AA don't ) . VS / DL are once daily at MIA which builds to 2 daily in Winter 15 . BA/ AA are 4 daily . And i could go on . VS / DL are building themselves as a formidable competitor to BA / AA . VS has a bright future now that they are in DL's fold . And as far as the token Asian , Middle East and African routes go , majority will be flown by the 787 so that they remain and are viable to operate . So call it Delta Atlantic or whatever . If it keeps VS flying , so be it !! Back to top justbala Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 1898 Location: Bangalore Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:37 am    Post subject: Quoting airbus340 from another thread Quote: With BOM based Cabin Crew , Bollywood Entertainment , Indian Food , a fabulous hard product i.e. the A330 and excellent connections to the US , VS has it all going for it . Now wonder what went wrong. Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: justbala wrote: Quoting airbus340 from another thread Quote: With BOM based Cabin Crew , Bollywood Entertainment , Indian Food , a fabulous hard product i.e. the A330 and excellent connections to the US , VS has it all going for it . Now wonder what went wrong. The BOM slot went to Detroit which is DL's Hub . Nothing went wrong , the same aircraft and slot will make a lot more money there . Its a business at the end of the day . Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:12 pm    Post subject: I believe that like many others VS also plans to be a hub carrier. By pulling out of multiple destinations in the East, and launching more flights to the west, the majority of the network is going to be USA centric. This means, no feeder traffic. So VS/DL will need very strong code shares in place from LHR to East or get all the O&D traffic ex-LHR to multiple points in USA. Both of which look difficult. Unless, VS wants to sell ATL JFK via LHR, I think I am either missing something big here and do not think the shift will be successful. The last option would be VS pulls out and shrinks and slots are given to DL at LHR _________________ www.networkthoughts.com Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: ameya wrote: I believe that like many others VS also plans to be a hub carrier. By pulling out of multiple destinations in the East, and launching more flights to the west, the majority of the network is going to be USA centric. This means, no feeder traffic. So VS/DL will need very strong code shares in place from LHR to East or get all the O&D traffic ex-LHR to multiple points in USA. Both of which look difficult. Unless, VS wants to sell ATL JFK via LHR, I think I am either missing something big here and do not think the shift will be successful. The last option would be VS pulls out and shrinks and slots are given to DL at LHR The feed comes from the US instead of the East . VS will be a British carrier flying Americans from all over the US via DL's hubs to LHR and back . Whatever remaining seats are left over will be sold ex LHR to the US to Brits . The traffic flows have basically been reversed after the VS / DL deal for VS . So technically VS don't need ANY feed from the UK i.e. MAN , EDI , ABZ or the rest of the world . Hence the end of their Little Red UK Domestic Service . DL will feed VS from their hubs in JFK , LAX , DTW , ATL , BOS , etc . With 764 Mainline aircraft , it isn't difficult for DL to feed VS's flights ex USA . The other Asian / African routes on the VS network will run as stand alone routes and will offer whatever little connection opportunity that there is on the network . Eg . the DEL connecting onto JFK . DEL , JNB , HKG were all British Colonies and have deep ties traditionally and massive O & D . LOS is a money spinner for both VS and BA . PVG is China's financial capital and a route were VS made their debut before BA . DXB is sold via Virgin Holidays and is packed by Brits going on package holidays as Virgin Holidays are the UK's largest tour operator . DEL , DXB , JNB and PVG will be all 787 routes so will be flown on a super fuel efficient aircraft . All routes will see the latest VS product as well . And as far as the rest of the Trans Atlantic Network is concerned it is run as a Metal neutral / Cost and Revenue sharing JV with DL . Hope the above clarifies it for you . Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:51 pm    Post subject: HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH I love how we went, without blinking, from "VS are doing everyone's chutty on BOM-EWR" and "everyone should introduce premium economy, because PE on DEL-LHR fetches VS more money per sq cm than any route on any airline in any class in the world".. and other such delights. To the sour grapes spew above. How Fan Club-esque. HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH Nimish wrote: jasepl wrote: Or, as Willie Walsh said : "We just call them Delta now". Fascinating - I did not know that! Last line of interview: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/12/richard-branson-rivalry-british-airways-virgin-atlantic _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:33 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH I love how we went, without blinking, from "VS are doing everyone's chutty on BOM-EWR" and "everyone should introduce premium economy, because PE on DEL-LHR fetches VS more money per sq cm than any route on any airline in any class in the world".. and other such delights. To the sour grapes spew above. How Fan Club-esque. HahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAhHaHahshHAhAhAhAhAHAH Nimish wrote: jasepl wrote: Or, as Willie Walsh said : "We just call them Delta now". Fascinating - I did not know that! Last line of interview: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/12/richard-branson-rivalry-british-airways-virgin-atlantic Its a business venture and not a please India fan club am afraid . VS will just make more money flying their planes to the US . Simple . The DL deal will keep VS alive . The aviation business changes all the time and that is exactly what VS is adapting to . Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:46 am    Post subject: If they can't make the Indian financial capital work - twice - they're utterly useless. Back to top airbus340 Member Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 465 Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:37 am    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: If they can't make the Indian financial capital work - twice - they're utterly useless. Oh really . If only flying to BOM was the benchmark for any airline flying into India , what would you say to all these airlines below which DONT fly to BOM and have services to DEL . JAL : Daily on a 777-200 Aeroflot : Daily with a mix of A332/333 Austrian : Daily on a 767 Asiana : Thrice a week on a A333 China Airlines : to Rome and Taipei on an A330 Finnair : Thrice a week on an A330 There are also the below Central Asian Carriers : Kam Air to Kabul Kyrgyzstan Air Company to Bishkek Safi Airways Turkmenistan Airways Tashi Airways Air Asthana Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:30 am    Post subject: Thanks! Few points airbus340 wrote: The feed comes from the US instead of the East . VS will be a British carrier flying Americans from all over the US via DL's hubs to LHR and back . I am a novice here, but is there as much stand alone demand for LHR? I have no clue whatsoever, if there indeed is, this could well work out well. airbus340 wrote: So technically VS don't need ANY feed from the UK i.e. MAN , EDI , ABZ or the rest of the world . Hence the end of their Little Red UK Domestic Service . I have to disagree, the real reason for discontinuation of litte red is not being able to fill up those planes, feed or no feed! airbus340 wrote: DEL , JNB , HKG were all British Colonies and have deep ties traditionally and massive O & D . This is true, however, traditionally BOM has had better yields to LHR than DEL, unless the situation was reverse for VS since it has been in DEL longer than BOM _________________ www.networkthoughts.com Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation All times are GMT + 5.5 Hours Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum New Members----------------Sign-up Guidelines Airliners-India----------------Civil AviationNon AviationTrip ReportsMilitary Aviation & SpaceInternationalAviation Polls & PreferenceTech/OpsAviation PhotographyEditorial/Analysis/ArticlesAviation HobbyAviation LawAviation Questions & CareersSite Related Flickr Group----------------Photo of the Month My Message Board----------------Pin Up  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. 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