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Megatop Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Cathay / Dragon to BLR / MAA + more BOM & DEL |
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DRAGONAIR TO LAUNCH NEW SERVICE TO BANGALORE, INDIA
15 January 2008
Dragonair today announced that it will fly passengers to India for the first time in May when it launches a new service to Bangalore, a major economic hub that in recent years has become the technology capital of India.
The service to Bangalore will commence on May 1, 2008 with daily flights operated by A330-300 aircraft. The launch of the destination will open up new opportunities for people travelling between Hong Kong and the thriving southern region of India.
"We are excited to be able to announce our entry into the huge Indian market. This is a very important step for Dragonair and a major development in Hong Kong’s role as a leading international aviation hub," said Dragonair Chief Executive Officer Kenny Tang.
"With a daily service to and from Bangalore we can use Hong Kong’s hub advantage to connect travellers onto Dragonair’s extensive network of destinations in Mainland China as well as the international network of our sister airline Cathay Pacific."
Bangalore will be the seventh new destination to be launched since Dragonair became part of the Cathay Pacific Group in September 2006. In the past year the airline has also launched scheduled services to Phuket, Busan, Fukuoka, Sendai and Kathmandu, and a daily charter service to Taichung in Taiwan.
Boost for Hong Kong hub as Cathay Pacific strengthens services to India
15 January 2008
Cathay Pacific Airways today announced that it will significantly enhance its schedule to India beginning 29 February, with more flights added to its existing services to Delhi and Mumbai and the launch of a new destination, Chennai.
The enhanced services - a total of 20 new flights a week by early June - to one of the world’s fastest-growing economies will serve to further boost Hong Kong's position as a leading international aviation hub.
Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Tony Tyler said: "We are very excited indeed about being able to boost our services to India - something we have been striving to do for decades. With our home in Hong Kong, Cathay Pacific is ideally positioned to act as the natural carrier of choice for passengers travelling to and from one of the world's fastest growing markets, India. The opportunities for Hong Kong as a leading international aviation hub are very clear."
Cathay Pacific's services to Mumbai and Delhi will both become a daily operation from 29 February with the addition of three more flights a week to each city. The extra flights to Mumbai will continue on to Dubai.
From the beginning of the summer schedule on 30 March, the airline will add a further three flights a week to Mumbai, taking the number of flights to the city to 10 a week. At the same time, another daily flight will be added to Delhi, making a total of 14 flights a week. And on 1 June Cathay Pacific will add Chennai, India's fourth-largest metropolitan city, to its network with four flights a week.
Details of the flight numbers and schedules for the services are still being finalised and will be published in due course.
Cathay Pacific began flying to India 25 years ago, launching a passenger service to Mumbai in January 1982. Delhi was added as a passenger destination in March 2001 and the airline also operates scheduled freighter flights to Mumbai, Delhi and Chennai.
In addition to the Cathay Pacific India enhancements, sister airline Dragonair will launch a daily flight to Bangalore, the country's information technology hub, on 1 May, using an A330-300 aircraft. |
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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dragon at BLR is quite odd, cathay was expected to take up the baton.
& the chinese torture, southie vegetarians r scared of finding an octopus dumpling disguised in a manchurian dish. someone teach them what vegan & veg means in indian context.
a daily 333 seems way too optimistic; but ideal for china.
anyways, good for BLR, mainly coz SQ wud lower its fares to maintain its stronghold.
unless worthwhile, i'm better off on my BLR-SIN-SFO jaunts.
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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skeds up!
BLR Daily
Dragonair (KA 153)
dep: 01:40 - Bangalore (BLR) terminal
arr: 10:10 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
Dragonair (KA 152)
dep: 21:40 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 00:40 - Bangalore (BLR) terminal
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
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MAA - Tu, Th, Sa, Su
Cathay Pacific (CX 632)
dep: 01:10 - Chennai (Madras) (MAA) terminal
arr: 09:20 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
Cathay Pacific (CX 631)
dep: 21:05 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 23:50 - Chennai (Madras) (MAA) terminal
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
both seem to connect to CX's 2nd daily to SFO with roughly 2 hrs layover. some good fare deals awaited though.
Cathay Pacific (CX 870)
dep: 14:10 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 11:35 - San Francisco (SFO) terminal I
equipment: Boeing 747-400
Cathay Pacific (CX 879)
dep: 13:35 - San Francisco (SFO) terminal I
arr: 18:40 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Boeing 747-400
no reason to court LH anymore, the KA-CX combine gets there in same or lesser time & with one world status. |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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DEL - HKG goes double daily
CX 753 HKG - DEL 2255 0205
CX 752 DEL - HKG 0325 1125
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CX 639 HKG - DEL 0915 1225
CX 638 DEL - HKG 1445 2250
both operated by A330-300
BOM - HKG has an assorted schedule
CX 683 HKG - BOM 2110 0040 Tu Fr Sa
CX 682 BOM - HKG 0200 1015 We Sa Su
operated by A330-300
CX 685 HKG - BOM 0825 1155 Mo Tu Fr
CX 684 BOM - HKG 0645 1500 Tu We Sa
operated by a B773
this flight continues onwards to DXB
CX751/750 remain as it is.
this means there is a new 3 weekly BOM - DXB introduced as well.
which means 7weekly BOM - DXB flights ..
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Flight CX 685/684 goes as follows
CX 685
HKG - BOM 0825 1155
BOM - DXB 1305 1425
CX 684
DXB - BOM 0110 0535
BOM - HKG 0645 1500 |
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Good for CX, and bad for AI.
I just cannot digest the fact how did the GOI allow extra flights to DXB, making it daily. And stopping Indian carriers from flying to UAE. Utter nonsense.
Out of the 8 possible DXB flights out of BOM we just have 3 indian carriers 2 IC , and 1 AI. Rest all foreign carriers, and to top it all foreign carriers bring in A330's and B773's to which IC/AI gladly respond by an A320/A310.
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Also CX is doing a good thing by offering convinient connections to US west coast. Now it's not only SQ but also CX in a major fight of passengers to west coast.
It will be nice to see 4 good airlines fighting on this India US west coast route .. 9W,SQ,CX,IT |
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PlaneLover Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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MH and TG also offer service to the US west coast. Some people consider service on these airlines to be decent if not the best. |
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sshank Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Also works with UA flights to SFO and ORD.
UA 895 Dep: ORD at 12:17 , Term: 1 Arr: HKG at 17:55 Term: 1 744
UA 896 Dep: HKG at 11:40 , Term: 1 Arr: ORD at 11:50 Term: 5 744
UA 869 Dep: SFO at 11:57 , Term: I Arr: HKG at 18:45 Term: 1 744
UA 862 Dep: HKG at 12:50 , Term: 1 Arr: SFO at 8:32 Term: 1 744
Megatop wrote: | skeds up!
BLR Daily
Dragonair (KA 153)
dep: 01:40 - Bangalore (BLR) terminal
arr: 10:10 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
Dragonair (KA 152)
dep: 21:40 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 00:40 - Bangalore (BLR) terminal
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
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MAA - Tu, Th, Sa, Su
Cathay Pacific (CX 632)
dep: 01:10 - Chennai (Madras) (MAA) terminal
arr: 09:20 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
Cathay Pacific (CX 631)
dep: 21:05 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 23:50 - Chennai (Madras) (MAA) terminal
equipment: Airbus Industrie A330
both seem to connect to CX's 2nd daily to SFO with roughly 2 hrs layover. some good fare deals awaited though.
Cathay Pacific (CX 870)
dep: 14:10 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
arr: 11:35 - San Francisco (SFO) terminal I
equipment: Boeing 747-400
Cathay Pacific (CX 879)
dep: 13:35 - San Francisco (SFO) terminal I
arr: 18:40 - Hong Kong (HKG) terminal 1
equipment: Boeing 747-400
no reason to court LH anymore, the KA-CX combine gets there in same or lesser time & with one world status. |
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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sshank wrote: | Also works with UA flights to SFO and ORD.
UA 895 Dep: ORD at 12:17 , Term: 1 Arr: HKG at 17:55 Term: 1 744
UA 896 Dep: HKG at 11:40 , Term: 1 Arr: ORD at 11:50 Term: 5 744
UA 869 Dep: SFO at 11:57 , Term: I Arr: HKG at 18:45 Term: 1 744
UA 862 Dep: HKG at 12:50 , Term: 1 Arr: SFO at 8:32 Term: 1 744
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yes, but KA & UA or CX & UA dont interline pax as they belong to different pedigrees star & OW. 2 separate tix would be an expensive shot.
infact, the KA/CX + UA option takes u to SFO frm BLR / MAA in abt 20 hrs.
& planelover, no doubt MH & TG are better than the roost, they dont fly to SFO which is where indians atleast from south are flocking to. even their LAX flts dont connect well with india deps, sometimes taking a toll of abt 12-15 hrs, which is a pain. |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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nalini123 wrote: | Good for CX, and bad for AI.
I just cannot digest the fact how did the GOI allow extra flights to DXB, making it daily. And stopping Indian carriers from flying to UAE. Utter nonsense.
Out of the 8 possible DXB flights out of BOM we just have 3 indian carriers 2 IC , and 1 AI. Rest all foreign carriers, and to top it all foreign carriers bring in A330's and B773's to which IC/AI g;ad;y respond by an A320/A310. |
Its that typical "dog in the manger" Indian attitude:
Fight with your fellow Indians, prevent them from succeeding because you can't, and meanwhile give the farm away to a foreign power.
How else do you think the East India Company controlled India?
In 2008, the powers that be (babus, IC/AI hacks, assorted communists, old socialist mind-set fools, corrupt bureaucrats, etc.) hate Jet and Kingfisher (because they're private Indian companies) more than they do foreign companies, only because Jet is succeeding while Air India is busy rotting in the sun. AI is a tacit reminder of the glaring failures of socialism, babugiri, sloth and corruption, a reminder that becomes even more uncomfortable when compared to the rapid success of Jet. |
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texdravid Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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If BLR is the more desirable location to fly to from Hong Kong, then why Dragonair to BLR, while MAA (which is not daily) gets the standard CX service?
Isn't CX/Dragonair doing this thing backward?
Just sayin'.
Well, most Madrasis won't complain. Another way to travel to MAA from the U.S. and many western Indian Americans will use this service. _________________ "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Proud Conservative in exile, soon to reawaken...
Charter member, Indians against Obama |
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ryder1650 Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Does the double daily DEL flight mean that there will be good connections to the both of the double daily HKG-SFO flights that CX offers? |
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BOMboy Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: 14 to BOM |
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Why does the bilateral restrict CX to just 10 weekly BOM flights instead of a convenient 14 like DEL? |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wow - this is going to be the biggest competition to AI or IT's BLR-SFO service - since this is now going to be a one-stop with "Asian" service on board, and good connection times at both ends.
IMO, SQ will do something to improve it's connection capabilities, but I still see them eventually loosing out this race due to the one-stop vs. 2 stop time and hassle difference.
Which of the 333s do they plan to fly to India? http://www.dragonair.com/da/en_INTL/whatonboard/fleet/a_330_300 |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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texdravid wrote: | If BLR is the more desirable location to fly to from Hong Kong, then why Dragonair to BLR, while MAA (which is not daily) gets the standard CX service?
Isn't CX/Dragonair doing this thing backward?
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Maybe it's just to do with a/c availability? Any way, shouldn't matter much, given that KA is 100% owned by CX! |
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: 14 to BOM |
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BOMboy wrote: | Why does the bilateral restrict CX to just 10 weekly BOM flights instead of a convenient 14 like DEL? |
Look at this way .. from DEL CX has 14 departures , and from BOM CX has 17 departures. This should be more clear. The only difference is that out of the 17 there are 4 departures to BKK-HKG , 7 to DXB and 6 to HKG |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Looking at this from the FFP perspective:
If you're an Asia Miles FFP member, then:
From: http://www.asiamiles.com/en/earn/airlines/partners/1,,118606,00.html
Quote: | Economy Class Y, B, H, K, M, L, V 100% of actual miles flown |
However, it does not seem like AsiaMiles members get status on One world
If you're an AAdvantage member, then:
From: AA.com
Quote: |
First Class; A, F; 100% + 50% bonus; 1.50
Business Class; C, D, I, J; 100% + 25% bonus; 1.50
Full Fare Economy Class; B, Y; 100%; 1.50
Discount Economy Class; H; 100%; 1.00 |
So if you're an AA member and flying Economy on CX/KA, then you're screwed.
All in all - nothing great for FFP benefits/mileage whores |
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andrew Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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FINALLY after 25 years of waiting CX has committed to India in a big way.
Fantastic increase in scheds... but the BOM enhancements are still a hoch poch in that you're really goign to have to pick your flight to ensure you're not going thru BKK....
It seems more like CX being forced to move quickly all of a sudden due to the increased expansion plans by 9W and the very hearty resposne given to 9W by Indian travellers..... They have noved to connect MAA and BLR to the west coast prior to 9W doing so..... My expectation is that when 9W launces BLR HKG and if it joins One World, KA will pull out.
However I hope they find much success with their new plans in India. Would have been beter to see CX come to BLR and KA go to say, Pune. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: | Would have been beter to see CX come to BLR and KA go to say, Pune. |
Does anyone know about the in flight service (or other) differences between CX and KA? It did not seem (from the KA website) that it was a Low cost carrier or anything like that, it just seemed to have a huge China presence. |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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KA is a full fledged carrier, they have F , J products offered.
Their A330-300's are configured with F/J/Y and also J/Y so , I really think they are a full service carrier. Service wise let's see probably some skytrax reviews can give a general idea. |
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sri_bom Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | andrew wrote: | Would have been beter to see CX come to BLR and KA go to say, Pune. |
Does anyone know about the in flight service (or other) differences between CX and KA? It did not seem (from the KA website) that it was a Low cost carrier or anything like that, it just seemed to have a huge China presence. |
Here is my earlier trip report on Dragon Air:
http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/airlinersindia-ftopic2218.html
Sri_Bom |
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: | However I hope they find much success with their new plans in India. Would have been beter to see CX come to BLR and KA go to say, Pune. |
KA?!!!
Let IA (Indian Airlines) , JA (Jet Airways) first have a hold at pune ... or let's get to basics let the airport be fully functional and then we can think of international carriers coming into full fledged operations.
Besides Pune should be first connecting to BKK I think. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Sri_bom for posting that TR and the link just now. Exactly what we needed! Seems like they are quite high quality on board. Any comparison with CX? |
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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dragon is fine to boot with, but the issue (or not) is gate conn in the melting pot aka chek lap kok.
i envision all CX birds together followed by dragon in the expansive terminal.
dragon also has a strict indian veg option. pretty decent.
but i still feel CX would eventually takeover once they get their new 333s.
btw, dragon is bringing its 333s with only J & Y cabins to BLR, no F; & 1 hour is pretty tight for a BLR turnaround even at the new BIAL. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Megatop wrote: | btw, dragon is bringing its 333s with only J & Y cabins to BLR, no F; & 1 hour is pretty tight for a BLR turnaround even at the new BIAL. |
Was this quoted somewhere? I didn't realize it's a 1 hour turn at BLR - that is extremely tight, but maybe tuned to keeping the same crew on board for both legs of the journey? Is that a possibility given they would be flying from 9 pm one night to 10 am the next morning? Otherwise I fail to see how KA think they can turn around in an hour, given the need to board/deboard 300 pax, plus catering, cleaning and most importantly cargo loading/unloading. Seems like quite a challenge, though I'm not aware if it's done elsewhere. |
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sshank Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I flew Dragon a few years back from PVG to HKG - they were fine. After flying random Chinese carriers within China they were actually a breath of fresh air. They were however foxed by the veg meal request and I got something barely edible - I assume that now they are under CX ownership and the BLR flight would be catered out of HKG (CX does these things very well) it should be fine.
Megatop wrote: | dragon is fine to boot with, but the issue (or not) is gate conn in the melting pot aka chek lap kok.
i envision all CX birds together followed by dragon in the expansive terminal.
dragon also has a strict indian veg option. pretty decent.
but i still feel CX would eventually takeover once they get their new 333s.
btw, dragon is bringing its 333s with only J & Y cabins to BLR, no F; & 1 hour is pretty tight for a BLR turnaround even at the new BIAL. |
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: |
Was this quoted somewhere? I didn't realize it's a 1 hour turn at BLR |
i took the arr/dep times at BLR - 00:40 & back at 01:40. |
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BOMboy Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: 14 to BOM |
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nalini123 wrote: | BOMboy wrote: | Why does the bilateral restrict CX to just 10 weekly BOM flights instead of a convenient 14 like DEL? |
Look at this way .. from DEL CX has 14 departures , and from BOM CX has 17 departures. This should be more clear. The only difference is that out of the 17 there are 4 departures to BKK-HKG , 7 to DXB and 6 to HKG |
Nalini - Thats an interesting perspective! I still think that 14 departures to HKG would be great too! |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Flights loaded onto the GDS now!! Does not seem like there's a code share with CX on the BLR-HKG sector.
SFO Connections:
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SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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CX 879 SFO 13:35 HKG 18:40 +1 744 0 F4 A4 J9 C8 D9 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
-> KA 152 HKG 21:40 +1 BLR 00:40 +2 330 0 J4 C4 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 870 HKG 14:10 SFO 11:35 744 0 F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I8 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 872 HKG 16:25 SFO 13:50 744 0 F4 A4 J9 C8 D9 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
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LAX Connections:
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SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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CX 885 LAX 13:15 HKG 18:55 +1 744 0 F4 A4 J9 C9 D0 I1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
-> KA 152 HKG 21:40 +1 BLR 00:40 +2 330 0 J4 C4 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 884 HKG 13:20 LAX 11:30 744 0 F4 A4 J9 C9 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 882 HKG 16:15 LAX 14:20 744 0 F4 A0 J9 C9 D1 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9
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SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
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CX 839 YVR 15:10 HKG 19:55 +1 343 0 J9 C9 D6 I1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V0 S0 N0 Q0
-> KA 152 HKG 21:40 +1 BLR 00:40 +2 330 0 J4 C4 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
SAT 03 May 2008
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------------
KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 888 HKG 14:55 YVR 11:45 744 0 F4 A0 J1 C3 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L0 V0 S0
KA 153 BLR 01:40 HKG 10:10 330 0 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9
-> CX 838 HKG 16:35 YVR 13:50 343 0 J9 C9 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Nimish, is it the 2 class layout with 30 or 42 J seats? _________________ eP007 |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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stealthpilot wrote: | Nimish, is it the 2 class layout with 30 or 42 J seats? |
Sorry Nikhil - I don't have a clue . The flight's been loaded, but the seat map's not showing up, and the website has not been updated as yet to show the BLR service due from 1/May. |
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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So Dragonair will be the first one to take the advantage of new bilateral agreement b/w India and HKG.
About five years back if I'am not wrong CX had shown its intrest to fly to BLR
If this route indeed does well for dragon air, then we'll see 9W and IT operating to west coast of US via HKG. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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Megatop Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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G-BYGB wrote: |
If this route indeed does well for dragon air, then we'll see 9W and IT operating to west coast of US via HKG. |
very distant, lets wait for 9W's BLR-BRU-LAX to see the light of the day first. |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Megatop wrote: | G-BYGB wrote: |
If this route indeed does well for dragon air, then we'll see 9W and IT operating to west coast of US via HKG. |
very distant, lets wait for 9W's BLR-BRU-LAX to see the light of the day first. |
I'm curious how they're going to make that work in terms of the BRU hub. The US West Coast adds another 10 hours (5 hours each way). So the turnaround at LAX would have to be very quick - no more than about 1.5 hours on the ground, with very little error to spare. |
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LAXDESI Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: | Megatop wrote: |
very distant, lets wait for 9W's BLR-BRU-LAX to see the light of the day first. |
I'm curious how they're going to make that work in terms of the BRU hub. The US West Coast adds another 10 hours (5 hours each way). So the turnaround at LAX would have to be very quick - no more than about 1.5 hours on the ground, with very little error to spare. |
The time difference between LH flights to LAX and JFK from FRA both direction is 3 hours--same should hold true for flights from BRU to LAX and JFK. There shouldn't be any difficulty in making BRU hub work for west coast flights given the long ground time of flights to east coast. |
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: |
I'm curious how they're going to make that work in terms of the BRU hub. The US West Coast adds another 10 hours (5 hours each way). So the turnaround at LAX would have to be very quick - no more than about 1.5 hours on the ground, with very little error to spare. |
It should work fine. If we look at the schedules BRU - LAX - BRU is like a 24 hr total trip (roughly). So all 9W flights from India arrive at 0730 hrs ish and depart at 0930 hrs ish for their respective N.American destinations. And on the reverse route it arrives at 0930 hrs ish to BRU and leave at 1130 hrs ish to respective Indian citites.
So if the LAX flight arrives in BRU from BLR at 0730 hrs and leave at 0930 hrs to LAX, it can very well come back in 24 hrs back to BRU at 0930 hrs ish and leave for BLR at 1130 hrs ish.
The Ground time however in such a case cannot exceed 2 hrs or maybe 2.5 hrs. |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Well, what I said was that it would be very difficult to make it work. There would be a very small margin for delays due to weather conditions in Europe (winter storms) or India (monsoon rains).
I guess I understand why Jet wants to make Shanghai an Eastern hub. Frankly, a BLR-PVG-SFO and a BOM-PVG-LAX flight would be perfect (assuming that PVG is in fact established as a hub) and Jet gets traffic rights. |
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LAXDESI Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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nalini123 wrote: |
It should work fine. If we look at the schedules BRU - LAX - BRU is like a 24 hr total trip (roughly).
So if the LAX flight arrives in BRU from BLR at 0730 hrs and leave at 0930 hrs to LAX, it can very well come back in 24 hrs back to BRU at 0930 hrs ish and leave for BLR at 1130 hrs ish.
The Ground time however in such a case cannot exceed 2 hrs or maybe 2.5 hrs. |
My calculations indicate a total flying time of 22.5 hours on BRU-LAX-BRU. This only leaves about 1.5 hours at ground to turn the aircraft, which is still doable. LAX-BRU-India flight could be scheduled to leave last from BRU, and India-BRU-LAX could be scheduled to leave first from BRU, say at 9:00, to add more ground time at LAX and account for delays. |
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nalini123 Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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LAXDESI wrote: | My calculations indicate a total flying time of 22.5 hours on BRU-LAX-BRU. This only leaves about 1.5 hours at ground to turn the aircraft, which is still doable. LAX-BRU-India flight could be scheduled to leave last from BRU, and India-BRU-LAX could be scheduled to leave first from BRU, say at 9:00, to add more ground time at LAX and account for delays. |
How come?
flight leaves at 0930 hrs from BRU does a 10 hr journey .. 1930 hrs ground time 2.5 hrs 2200 hrs .. and return 10 hrs 0800 hrs to BRU well before time.
How did you reach to that conclusion that ground time maybe 1.5hrs only. |
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