Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Cathay / Dragon to BLR / MAA + more BOM & DEL Goto page Previous  1, 2          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message LAXDESI Member Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 92 Location: Los Angeles Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: nalini123 wrote: LAXDESI wrote: My calculations indicate a total flying time of 22.5 hours on BRU-LAX-BRU. This only leaves about 1.5 hours at ground to turn the aircraft, which is still doable. LAX-BRU-India flight could be scheduled to leave last from BRU, and India-BRU-LAX could be scheduled to leave first from BRU, say at 9:00, to add more ground time at LAX and account for delays. How come? flight leaves at 0930 hrs from BRU does a 10 hr journey .. 1930 hrs ground time 2.5 hrs 2200 hrs .. and return 10 hrs 0800 hrs to BRU well before time. How did you reach to that conclusion that ground time maybe 1.5hrs only. I looked at a comparable route on LH, FRA-LAX-FRA. FRA-LAX is 11.5 hours and LAX-FRA is about 11 hours. BRU-LAX is shorter by 200 miles--perhaps enough to shave off half hour in each direction and provide 2.5 hours of ground time. Back to top nalini123 Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: LAXDESI wrote: I looked at a comparable route on LH, FRA-LAX-FRA. FRA-LAX is 11.5 hours and LAX-FRA is about 11 hours. BRU-LAX is shorter by 200 miles--perhaps enough to shave off half hour in each direction and provide 2.5 hours of ground time. I found the average times. LHR, BRU, FRA fall on the same line and their routes to LAX as well. So taking the approximate average of LHR - LAX and FRA - LAX I think a 2hr-2.5 hr ground time should be available to 9W in LAX. Back to top G-BYGB Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1813 Location: Bangalore/Delhi Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: But comparitively speaking, doesn't it take long for us to reach LAX or SFO via FRA and BRU.The flight duration of DEL-FRA-LAX is 23:00 hrs.On the other hand DEL-HKG-LAX is only about 17:00 hrs.I checked it in CX website. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos Back to top nalini123 Member Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1033 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: G-BYGB wrote: But comparitively speaking, doesn't it take long for us to reach LAX or SFO via FRA and BRU.The flight duration of DEL-FRA-LAX is 23:00 hrs.On the other hand DEL-HKG-LAX is only about 17:00 hrs.I checked it in CX website. Ok now you check the times for LAX-FRA-DEL and LAX-HKG-DEL ... here AI will definitely take less time. Back to top Megatop Member Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 257 Location: Bangalore Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: CX now codeshares Dragon's HKG-BLR-HKG flt with # CX 6711/2. wish its an open codeshare on the lines of UA with LH, else, its pretty lame getting a seat on HKG-SFO & being waitlisted on BLR-HKG. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: Here's the first ad I've seen for the new services: I hope they do start on May 1st, despite the delay in the opening of the BIAL airport. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Nimish wrote: I hope they do start on May 1st, despite the delay in the opening of the BIAL airport. Ooh - just noticed the fine print at the bottom of the ad - about service starting to BLR only on the 25th of May . The GDS systems have been updated as well - and now CX/KA are no longer offering this flight until the new start date. What a pity ... I also dread the job of the rescheduling team - where they have to put pax on alternate routings/connections and risk angering them (for no fault of the airline's). _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top scheduler Member Joined: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 89 Location: HKG Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Thanks for all the updates but my own schedule database shows that CX6712 is indeed KA700 of HKG-Guilin(KWL). However, CX6710 and 11 are left until today. So I guess the new codeshare arrangement should look like this: KA152/CX6710 HKG-BLR KA153/CX6711 BLR-HKG Back to top jlk Member Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 30 Location: SFO Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:15 am    Post subject: HKG-MAA fares available in Cathay's website. Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: CX will be switching all B777-300 operating aircrafts to B747-400 on its BOM route from Oct 1. Basically they will now offer First class on the BOM route. Speaking of capacity, it is almost the same. B773 was a 385 seater aircraft and the B747-400 (standard config) is a 383 seater aircraft. So a blessing for premium passengers, and spotters! Back to top Karan69 Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1334 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: A blessing indeed for spotters, what will be their status of the 333 non stops, It also means BOM-DXB will be getting dedicated 744 service Karan Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Karan69 wrote: A blessing indeed for spotters, what will be their status of the 333 non stops, It also means BOM-DXB will be getting dedicated 744 service Karan The 333 non stops will stay as it is. And it will remain in a 2 class configuration offering 311 seats. Back to top G-BYGB Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1813 Location: Bangalore/Delhi Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Will the Delhi spotters also be lucky enough to see CX operating B744 or A340-600? _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Nope! an A330-300 till further notice Back to top Megatop Member Joined: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 257 Location: Bangalore Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: & CX is bringing in the 74A with the new F/J/Y config currently used on north american routes. Last edited by Megatop on Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:15 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top abn Member Joined: 02 May 2007 Posts: 113 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: yes correct from Oct 1 onwards 74A will serve the four times weekly HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB service as well as the 3 weekly HKG-BOM-DXB. The reason might be the regional seat configuartion on the current 777-300 serving this route. and btw DEL +non-stop turnaround BOM services will be operated with A333s _________________ Back to top akrishnan Member Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 16 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Some info on tkt prices Have booked my in-law flying back to SFO by CX in July. Return ticket fare is 48750 INR valid for a year. My friends in SFO who have also booked their travel to India on CX have paid an INR equivalent of 64500 return fare ex-SFO. An equivalent SQ fare is 72500 INR. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Some info on tkt prices akrishnan wrote: Have booked my in-law flying back to SFO by CX in July. Return ticket fare is 48750 INR valid for a year. WOW - that is a steal if there ever was one. Amazing deal and congratulations for getting this price. And I'm sure CX will have no problems with loads at these price levels . _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top akrishnan Member Joined: 28 Apr 2008 Posts: 16 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: SQ offering senior citizen discounts SQ is supposedly offering a senior citizen discount until Jun 30. I am not sure if there are tickets on the SG-US sector anyways for anyone. That fare was equivalent to around 49000 INR on the MAA-SFO-MAA sector with a one year validity. There is a "victory" class in CX I am told which is the cheapest. This was a jargon used by the agency. Any idea about this anyone ? Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: SQ offering senior citizen discounts akrishnan wrote: SQ is supposedly offering a senior citizen discount until Jun 30. I am not sure if there are tickets on the SG-US sector anyways for anyone. That fare was equivalent to around 49000 INR on the MAA-SFO-MAA sector with a one year validity. There is a "victory" class in CX I am told which is the cheapest. This was a jargon used by the agency. Any idea about this anyone ? This would be the V booking class on CX. I explained about this elsewhere on this forum, but don't remember where... Basically the airline will allot a few seats at the lowest fare, a few more at the next highest fare and so on. As the lower fare seats fill up, customers are forced to book the next higher fare, until there's no seats available at all in Economy. Each fare is represented in the booking engine as a single letter - with Y being full-fare economy, B, M, H being high fare economy on most carriers, and then random alphabets forming the lower fares. As an example on CX: Code: Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- CX        6711   BLR  02:20     HKG  10:50     330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M4 L0 V0 S0 N7 Q0 Here you can see J, C, D and I are Business class fares - with J being the most expensive and I being the cheapest Business fare. Y, B, H, K, M are typically the more expensive economy fares, and the rest are the cheaper fares. In this case Victory fare would correspond to the V class shown above - which is already sold out on the date I checked (8th August). HTH! _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top airindia787 Member Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 770 Location: DAB & ZTF Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: SQ offering senior citizen discounts Nimish wrote: akrishnan wrote: SQ is supposedly offering a senior citizen discount until Jun 30. I am not sure if there are tickets on the SG-US sector anyways for anyone. That fare was equivalent to around 49000 INR on the MAA-SFO-MAA sector with a one year validity. There is a "victory" class in CX I am told which is the cheapest. This was a jargon used by the agency. Any idea about this anyone ? This would be the V booking class on CX. I explained about this elsewhere on this forum, but don't remember where... Basically the airline will allot a few seats at the lowest fare, a few more at the next highest fare and so on. As the lower fare seats fill up, customers are forced to book the next higher fare, until there's no seats available at all in Economy. Each fare is represented in the booking engine as a single letter - with Y being full-fare economy, B, M, H being high fare economy on most carriers, and then random alphabets forming the lower fares. As an example on CX: Code: Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- CX        6711   BLR  02:20     HKG  10:50     330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M4 L0 V0 S0 N7 Q0 Here you can see J, C, D and I are Business class fares - with J being the most expensive and I being the cheapest Business fare. Y, B, H, K, M are typically the more expensive economy fares, and the rest are the cheaper fares. In this case Victory fare would correspond to the V class shown above - which is already sold out on the date I checked (8th August). HTH! So do the numbers represent seat availability for that particular fare? _________________ http://openflights.org/user/akumanduri Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: From: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/press_releases/detail/18036 Quote: Dragonair today announced it will reschedule the launch of its new service to Bengaluru (Bangalore) in India to July 1. The decision was made after taking into consideration such factors as the availability of local facilities and the amount of time needed to prepare for operations after the opening of the new Bengaluru International Airport. Passengers who have already booked Dragonair's flight to and from Bengaluru before July 1 will be protected to flights operated by other carriers to minimise any possible inconvenience. Sad day, but no choice left for KA I guess... _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: SQ offering senior citizen discounts airindia787 wrote: So do the numbers represent seat availability for that particular fare? Not availability per-se, but willingness to sell. The airline is not willing to sell seats on Q or S class, but is willing to sell seats on Y class. Even if all seats are actually sold on the plane, the airline often continues to sell expensive tickets and then bumps off some passengers (in case there are no no-shows). _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top karatecatman Guest Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/06/04/stories/2008060452251000.htm Cathay Pacific lands in Chennai, takes least time to the US Our Bureau Chennai, June 3 Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong-based airline, today launched its operations between Hong Kong and Chennai. The inaugural flight arrived around 1 a.m. on Tuesday morning, carrying 308 passengers, against the aircraft’s capacity of 311 passengers. An hour later, it departed to Hong Kong, carrying 286 passengers, the airline’s General Manager-India, Middle East and Africa, Mr Tom Wright, told a press conference here today. Cathay will run four flights a week out of Chennai. From July 1, its sister-airline, DragonAir will operate daily flights to Hong Kong from Bangalore. The introduction of this carrier is significant in two major ways. First, it offers South Indian passengers one more choice to travel to the US. Cathay’s flight from Chennai will take you to San Fransisco or Los Angeles in 21 hours, including a 3-hour stopover in Hong Kong, which is the least time taken by any airline between Chennai and the US West Coast. Competitive airlines such as Singapore and Thai take about 3-4 hours more. The introduction of the Cathay flight brings in its wake competitive pressures against a fare hike. Cathay’s least fare (when you book well in advance) is around Rs 39,000 (excluding taxes of around Rs 15,000) for a round trip to the US. This is slightly higher than, for example, Singapore Airlines, which charges Rs 36,000 (plus taxes), but the airline would take longer than Cathay to reach the US. Those who take the Cathay flight to the US fly out of Chennai at around 2.45 a.m. and reach San Fransisco or Los Angeles by noon. Oberoi are the caterers for this flight. Secondly, the Airbus 330-300 aircraft that Cathay has put on the Chennai-HK segment enhances cargo capacity by about 20 per cent. At present, Cathay operates four freighters that fly the HK-Mumbai-Chennai-HK route. Out of Chennai, Cathay offers 240 tonnes of weekly cargo capacity. Now there will between 40 and 50 tonnes of capacity more, depending upon the number of passengers. Sources in the airline industry see this as a positive move. One industry expert, who is with a competitive airline, said that this would open up areas such as Guangzhou and Shenzhen in China. The Chinese and the Japanese are great travellers and the new link to India will bring in more load for airlines in the domestic segment. Mr Bharat Mahadevan, Manager-South India, Singapore Airlines, told Business Line that the market was growing and hence, even with one more airline in the South India-Far East-US routes, there will be enough loads for all airlines. However, he noted that there could be some short-term blips as capacity to Far East grew about 70 per cent last year (or around 5,600 seats more), when the traffic grew only around 30 per cent. Mr Wright said that Hong Kong itself was becoming a favoured tourist destination. (Cathay’s fares start from Rs 21,000 for a round trip to Hong Kong.) Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 377 Location: NYC Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Whoa there! 308/311 - thats some serious load for day one. Looks like CX will do just fine. karatecatman wrote: www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/06/04/stories/2008060452251000.htm Cathay Pacific lands in Chennai, takes least time to the US Our Bureau Chennai, June 3 Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong-based airline, today launched its operations between Hong Kong and Chennai. The inaugural flight arrived around 1 a.m. on Tuesday morning, carrying 308 passengers, against the aircraft’s capacity of 311 passengers. An hour later, it departed to Hong Kong, carrying 286 passengers, the airline’s General Manager-India, Middle East and Africa, Mr Tom Wright, told a press conference here today. Back to top jlk Member Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 30 Location: SFO Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: SQ offering senior citizen discounts Nimish wrote: As an example on CX: Code: Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- CX        6711   BLR  02:20     HKG  10:50     330  0    J4 C4 D4 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M4 L0 V0 S0 N7 Q0 Here you can see J, C, D and I are Business class fares - with J being the most expensive and I being the cheapest Business fare. Y, B, H, K, M are typically the more expensive economy fares, and the rest are the cheaper fares. In this case Victory fare would correspond to the V class shown above - which is already sold out on the date I checked (8th August). HTH! Never heard of "N" class. Is it cheaper than V and S? If so why would there be 7 of those when there are no L/V/S class ? Back to top texdravid Member Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 971 Location: GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: The load of MAA-HKG was very impressive. Is their THAT much interest/business on that route, or is it just beginner's luck? _________________ "A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan Proud Conservative in exile, soon to reawaken... Charter member, Indians against Obama Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: texdravid wrote: The load of MAA-HKG was very impressive. Is their THAT much interest/business on that route, or is it just beginner's luck? It's probably not so much to HKG as onwards to the US, Canada or China. Much better than the 2 stop ops via SIN. My guess is that SQ will hurt the most as CX ramps up at MAA and BLR. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Sandy29 Member Joined: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 123 Location: BOS/DXB/IDR/HYD Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Cathay to CCU? Any chance we might see Cathay come to CCU? ...actually not sure if even the bilateral allows this. Anyone have a clue? Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Cathay to CCU? Sandy29 wrote: Any chance we might see Cathay come to CCU? ...actually not sure if even the bilateral allows this. Anyone have a clue? IIRC the bilaterals had provided them to operate 11 flights per week distributed between MAA,BLR, CCU. So technically they do have rights to operate into CCU but for that they will have to scale down frequencies to BLR or MAA. 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