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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: American orders the B777-300ER |
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http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3127
American Airlines Orders Two New Boeing 777-300ER Widebody Jets to Support Network Strategy and International Growth
American Continues to Invest in Products to Enhance the Customer Experience
FORT WORTH, Texas, Jan. 19, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of AMR Corp., today announced it has entered into a purchase agreement with the Boeing Company under which American will acquire two Boeing 777-300ERs to support its global network strategy and to capitalize on international growth opportunities. The two aircraft are expected to be delivered in late 2012.
"These additional widebody aircraft will bolster our network strategy, particularly the international growth opportunities we expect from our joint businesses with oneworldŽ partners in the trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific markets," said Tom Horton, President, AMR Corp., the parent company of American Airlines and American Eagle. "We value the combination of size, range and performance of the 777-300ER, as well as the extensive customer amenities it offers. The seating capability of the aircraft will give us growth flexibility in slot-constrained airports and provide us with greater ability to serve new long-haul markets."
"American Airlines is an industry leader whose vision and disciplined approach to growth has made it one of the largest airlines in the world," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh. "American is the first carrier in the United States to order the 777-300ER. These new airplanes will complement their large fleet of 777-200ERs by offering additional flexibility in serving nonstop routes while providing increased efficiency and reliability."
Additional terms of the commitment were not disclosed.
"We hope that this positive step for our airline signals the beginning of a period of domestic and global expansion which will allow our airline to aggressively compete and prosper in the years to come," said Captain David Bates, President of the Allied Pilots Association, the union that represents American's 8,600 pilots.
From 2007 through 2010, American has invested $4.2 billion in aircraft, cabin, and facility improvements to enhance the customer experience.
International Growth Opportunities
The 777-300ERS will expand international service, either incremental frequencies in markets American serves today, or new routes largely resulting from its alliance initiatives. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Just 2? Something is strange here...
Congrats anyway! Hopefully ORD-DEL/ BOM is the route of choice for these _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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yash777 Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Posts: 901 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Looking forward to an N registered 77W!!
Nimish wrote: | Just 2? Something is strange here...
Congrats anyway! Hopefully ORD-DEL/ BOM is the route of choice for these |
ORD-BOM please _________________ Jetphotos Flickr gallery |
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avbuff Member
Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: |
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ORD - BOM requires an -LR, the B77W is not a good aircraft on this route. However I have a strong feeling this is meant from ORD - DEL, as AA has lost a lot of traffic to Air India. |
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ssbmat Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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It also might be a more " Signature" route like DFW- NRT or ORD-NRT.
But just 2 ?? for an American airline ?? |
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Jeh Member
Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Posts: 669 Location: Delhi, India
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Then again, how important does AA really consider the Indian market? I mean, they only fly to a single Indian destination anyway! |
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me111993 Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Then again, how important does AA really consider the Indian market? I mean, they only fly to a single Indian destination anyway! |
A single ULH destination in India which they've found to be profitable, and with Kingfisher into One World, the importance of DEL is bound to grow...having said that, i doubt AA will send out their 77W's to DEL, as mentioned above, NRT seems to be a much more probable destination...also, a carrier with 650+ planes, 2 seems to be very miniscule, so either they lease in others from GECAS or IFLC..i also read that, they might get some from JAL!? _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze.
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GuyFromBOM Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | Just 2? Something is strange here...
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I read this in the morning:
Quote: | American orders two 777-300ERs
American Airlines today announced that it has entered into an agreement with Boeing for the purchase of two Boeing 777-300ERs. The aircraft will be delivered in late 2012, and have made AA the first U.S airline to order the type.
AA is known to have started sub-fleets with a small number and expanded upon them. In a letter to employees, American CEO Gerard Arpey had stated that the new type may be used to launch new routes. It has also been mentioned that AA is looking for used 777-300ERs, however this remains to be confirmed.
American has reduced its 2010 full year loss to $471m from the $1.5 in the previous year and also has 35 Boeing 737-800s on order.
Source: Airline Industry Review.
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BTW, ORD-DEL is the longest route served by AA..! _________________ The more I fly 9W, the more I prefer AI | FlightDiary: 59 Boeing + 30 Airbus + 9 ATR + 1 Embraer |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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They will go for JL's 77Ws if they are looking at getting them second hand. _________________ Yeah. |
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selecta Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 813 Location: ORD
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: | as AA has lost a lot of traffic to Air India. |
According to who? AA has been flying ORD-DEL for just over 5 years and its one of the most popular routes in their network.
I doubt AI's direct flight has had a significant impact on AA's bottom line, its only been 2 and a half months since the service started.
And it remains to been seen what will happen when 292's scheduled time changes to 1640 in their upcoming schedule as well as bringing KF into Oneworld and codesharing expands beyond Jet. _________________
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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selecta wrote: | avbuff wrote: | as AA has lost a lot of traffic to Air India. |
According to who? AA has been flying ORD-DEL for just over 5 years and its one of the most popular routes in their network.
I doubt AI's direct flight has had a significant impact on AA's bottom line, its only been 2 and a half months since the service started.
And it remains to been seen what will happen when 292's scheduled time changes to 1640 in their upcoming schedule as well as bringing KF into Oneworld and codesharing expands beyond Jet. |
According to the AA sales team in DEL .... at a discussion taken place in Delhi earlier this month. Loss in student traffic boudn to ORD in January and a drop in expected forward bookings, which has significantly hit AA's bottom line. |
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Jeh Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | They will go for JL's 77Ws if they are looking at getting them second hand. |
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid, but then what will JL use for long-haul? It has been well-publicized that they let go of all their 747s and now if they dump their 77Ws too and the 787 isn't coming anytime soon, what have JL got left?!
Or do they plan to ditch long-haul altogether and become more Asia-focussed? That'd be a horribly bitter pill for them to swallow, even worse than the supposedly catastrophic loss of their 747s! |
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selecta Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 813 Location: ORD
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Then again, how important does AA really consider the Indian market? I mean, they only fly to a single Indian destination anyway! |
AA has codesharing agreements with Jet.
Plus I don't blame them for not expanding into India considering how saturated the market is from carriers from all over the world. _________________
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selecta Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2006 Posts: 813 Location: ORD
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: | selecta wrote: | avbuff wrote: | as AA has lost a lot of traffic to Air India. |
According to who? AA has been flying ORD-DEL for just over 5 years and its one of the most popular routes in their network.
I doubt AI's direct flight has had a significant impact on AA's bottom line, its only been 2 and a half months since the service started.
And it remains to been seen what will happen when 292's scheduled time changes to 1640 in their upcoming schedule as well as bringing KF into Oneworld and codesharing expands beyond Jet. |
According to the AA sales team in DEL .... at a discussion taken place in Delhi earlier this month. Loss in student traffic boudn to ORD in January and a drop in expected forward bookings, which has significantly hit AA's bottom line. |
This is usually the lull time of the year, I'm sure there are others that are feeling the same effects. _________________
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I was referring to the forwards bookings of the summer vacations for which many have already booked the tickets. There too the effect is seen.
Earlier AA was adamant that Kingfisher should start flights from DEL to BLR, MAA, HYD, AMD et al late at night keeping in mind the current schedule. However, competition forced them to change their own ORD -> DEL times to connect to a larger Kingfisher departure bank in the evening. |
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Nimish Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: | I was referring to the forwards bookings of the summer vacations for which many have already booked the tickets. There too the effect is seen.
Earlier AA was adamant that Kingfisher should start flights from DEL to BLR, MAA, HYD, AMD et al late at night keeping in mind the current schedule. However, competition forced them to change their own ORD -> DEL times to connect to a larger Kingfisher departure bank in the evening. |
I can imagine AA losing out to AI in the VFR "summer vacation" traffic and student traffic (no loyalty, only good pricing, desi khana, lots of baggage and liberal daaru rules). I'm not sure AA will be too worried about the loss of this traffic?
Hopefully with AI joining *A by this summer (??), we'll see them gather some of the high-yielding business pax that AA undoubtedly gets by the boat load. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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Jeh Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just in terms of onboard product (hard and soft alike), surely the AI 77W is streets ahead of American's 772?
I have no personal experience of AA's 777s although I've heard it's nothing spectacular and the pictures certainly look pretty darned dismal. |
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Nimish Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Just in terms of onboard product (hard and soft alike), surely the AI 77W is streets ahead of American's 772?
I have no personal experience of AA's 777s although I've heard it's nothing spectacular and the pictures certainly look pretty darned dismal. |
Oh yes - absolutely. Of course the typical AA FFP business traveler is often upgraded to J, so the poor ones in the back are those without sufficient "clout" on the carrier. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Just in terms of onboard product (hard and soft alike), surely the AI 77W is streets ahead of American's 772? |
Probably yes, but hasn't it been proved time and again that this does not matter and AA and CO will turn out to be the winners either way? There are other areas (frequent flier benefits, lounges, convenient connections, alliance options) in which these airlines are streets ahead of our AI.
Moreover, I'm sure they have a 'decent' in-flight product and in 99 cases out of 100, their soft product is infinitely better than AI's has ever been. _________________ Yeah. |
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selecta Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | Just in terms of onboard product (hard and soft alike), surely the AI 77W is streets ahead of American's 772?
I have no personal experience of AA's 777s although I've heard it's nothing spectacular and the pictures certainly look pretty darned dismal. |
I'll be on the flight this weekend. I'm booked for first, so I'll post few pics and write a TR.
My parents just flew in J a few days ago and they both had nothing but good things to say about their experience.
Here is youtube video tour of AA's 777
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMEfPHd7wNs _________________
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think AA and CO will continue to fly to India. The reason, they are consistently priced lower than Jet or Air India in discounted economy, plus the strong frequent flyer program which attracts the high end passengers. Recently I was looking at fares to BOM or HYD, CO and AA still come out the lowest, lower than EK, QR or AI or European carriers.
I will be thrilled when AI join star alliance, you could even see AA or CO cut back on the flights after AI joins star. |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | American Airlines Orders Two New Boeing 777-300ER Widebody Jets to Support Network Strategy and International Growth |
Order now bumped up from 2 to 3.
American Airlines cuts capacity, adds another Boeing 777-300ER
American in February ordered another Boeing 777-300ER. That makes three, including the two aircraft announced in January. The first two are to arrive in late 2012. The third is to arrive in 2013.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/03/american-airlines-cuts-capacit.html _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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AKLDELNonstop Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Spiderguy252 wrote: | Probably yes, but hasn't it been proved time and again that this does not matter and AA and CO will turn out to be the winners either way? There are other areas (frequent flier benefits, lounges, convenient connections, alliance options) in which these airlines are streets ahead of our AI.
Moreover, I'm sure they have a 'decent' in-flight product and in 99 cases out of 100, their soft product is infinitely better than AI's has ever been. |
When was the last time you flew UA, AA or CO to say that their soft product is better than AI'?
UA, AA and CO are uniformly crap. Infact they compete with each other to be worst in class.
Let me tell you something, in spite of having status in UA/CO, I will gladly fly AI on the ORD-DEL route - Star or no Star. Miles are important to me - but only to a point. On a 16 hour flight I would much prefer AI than UA.
In fact, I flew to LHR from ORD in UA in F class and while their hard product was okay, their soft product left a lot to be desired and AI's Y has better food than what was served in UA F. And I am not a frequent Indian food eater either! _________________ Geniuses are always misunderstood in their lifetimes. |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Update:
AA has uppped the 77W orders to 6 airframes. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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