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ameya Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | ^^ The beginning of the end IMO. First sell a boat load of cheap seats, then change everyone's flights due to the cancellations/ rescheduling, then the pressure from the lessors kicks in, so return a bunch of aircraft leading to more cancellations and loss of frequency, the word spreads and business customers/ higher value fliers stop flying your airline, leading to the need for further sales and the cycle repeats ad-nauseum. |
And also report higher LF due to cancellations.
Yes, what looked like a turnaround initially, is certainly not happening.
3 more B739s will be withdrawn soon _________________ www.networkthoughts.com |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SZI, from the fleet today. |
SZI is currently operation SG226 DEL-IXJ according to FR24. You mean it will be withdrawn after all the flights today? Or FR24 may be wrong? _________________
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747-237 Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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basheer1211 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SZI, from the fleet today. |
SZI is currently operation SG226 DEL-IXJ according to FR24. You mean it will be withdrawn after all the flights today? Or FR24 may be wrong? |
According to my info, she was ferried out of DEL today. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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The_Goat Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SZI, from the fleet today.
That makes it 8, in 2 months :
737-900ER : VT-SPT, VT-SGC, VT-SGB
737-800: VT-SGO, VT-SGL, VT-SZC, VT-SZD, VT-SZI |
That is a rather drastic reduction. Almost a quarter of their widebody fleet.
But at least, they won't be sitting around gathering dust and getting their pictures all over the internet, with everyone laughing about yet another one of Indian aviation's flop shows. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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me111993 Member
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SZI, from the fleet today.
That makes it 8, in 2 months :
737-900ER : VT-SPT, VT-SGC, VT-SGB
737-800: VT-SGO, VT-SGL, VT-SZC, VT-SZD, VT-SZI |
That is a rather drastic reduction. Almost a quarter of their widebody fleet.
But at least, they won't be sitting around gathering dust and getting their pictures all over the internet, with everyone laughing about yet another one of Indian aviation's flop shows. |
hehe, by any chance, do you write for TOI? _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze.
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The_Goat Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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me111993 wrote: | The_Goat wrote: |
That is a rather drastic reduction. Almost a quarter of their widebody fleet.
But at least, they won't be sitting around gathering dust and getting their pictures all over the internet, with everyone laughing about yet another one of Indian aviation's flop shows. |
hehe, by any chance, do you write for TOI? |
I thought it was implied. Surely a 737-800 is a "widebody", in a manner of speaking, compared to the only other aircraft SG operates.
OK, if the accepted definition of a 'widebody' is a twin aisle aircraft, then I stand corrected. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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747-237 Member
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 11360 Location: Gordon Gekko's Boardroom
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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^ No worries, it's not any worse than folks on here referring to the A319 (rather than the A318) as the Babybus; with the reasoning that the A319 is the smallest Airbus operating in India. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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me111993 Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | me111993 wrote: | The_Goat wrote: |
That is a rather drastic reduction. Almost a quarter of their widebody fleet.
But at least, they won't be sitting around gathering dust and getting their pictures all over the internet, with everyone laughing about yet another one of Indian aviation's flop shows. |
hehe, by any chance, do you write for TOI? |
I thought it was implied. Surely a 737-800 is a "widebody", in a manner of speaking, compared to the only other aircraft SG operates.
OK, if the accepted definition of a 'widebody' is a twin aisle aircraft, then I stand corrected. |
relax, I was just joking. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze.
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basheer1211 Member
Joined: 28 Dec 2012 Posts: 271 Location: India
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | basheer1211 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SZI, from the fleet today. |
SZI is currently operation SG226 DEL-IXJ according to FR24. You mean it will be withdrawn after all the flights today? Or FR24 may be wrong? |
According to my info, she was ferried out of DEL today. |
It might be SGI I think. It is been ferried to SEN yesterday. _________________
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harshwcam3 Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Any update on the bird that hit a buffalo at STV? Has it been flown out of STV or still on ground pending a visit from MX. |
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shivendrashukla Member
Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1354 Location: Mumbai, India
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Family taken off plane for slapping cabin crew
Quote: | NEW DELHI: The next time your international flight is delayed by several hours, don't vent your anger on the crew. Else, you and your family may end up crossing the border home in a bus, instead of an Airbus!
A Delhi family realized this the hard way last Saturday when they were to fly home from Kathmandu by SpiceJet's SG 46. The flight was reportedly delayed by five hours and finally harried passengers — including P K Maheshwari (67), his 62-year-old wife and a nine-year-old child of their family — boarded the aircraft after a very long wait.
That's when Maheshwari and the crew got into a scuffle, which finally saw the pilot ordering the family to be offloaded from the airline's Boeing 737 late on Saturday night in Kathmandu. Each side claims that the other was at fault.
According to Maheshwari's complaint, he sat in row 13 aisle seat and being tired fell asleep. "Suddenly I was jolted awake... The stewardess had hit my foot with considerable force, though the aisle of the aircraft was clear... (She) started shouting at me that my foot was in the aisle."
Maheshwari, a resident of Delhi's Greater Kailash-I, claims he tried to tell the airhostess that he had fallen asleep because of this may have happened. "(She) would not listen to me which led to... sharp exchange of words about the harassment due to delay." He claims that his wife also apologised on his behalf.
A SpiceJet spokesman said: "The passenger who was disturbed got up and physically slapped the cabin crew. There is zero tolerance of this kind of physical abuse of crew anywhere in the world, including in India and therefore the captain made the decision he did (offloading the family), which is fully within his authority, is backed by relevant regulations, and is fully supported by management. Other passengers were witness to the slapping episode."
Maheshwari, who denies slapping the airhostess, says in his complaint that the airline asked them to get off the aircraft or else they would call the police.
The family's real troubles began after being offloaded. Maheshwari's complaint says the family did not have any local currency and took a cab to the Sri Aurobindo Yoga Mandir in Kathmandu where the 'guruji' paid the taxi fare.
"We tried to find another flight within a day or two but there was no ticket available for less than Rs 26,000 each (Indian currrency). It was simply not possible for us to afford that," he says.
Finally, the family took a bus to Delhi and reached here on Tuesday after a 'gruelling' 30-hour-journey. Maheshwari, a traveler for last 36 years, now wants an "answer, apology and compensation" from the airline for the trauma caused to his family. |
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Family-taken-off-plane-for-slapping-cabin-crew/articleshow/45142150.cms
Unfortunate incident. And in incidences like these, both sides blame each other so you may never know what exactly happened. |
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ameya Member
Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Sad to see such incidences increasing. Unfortunately, the airlines do manage the regulatory authorities and the blame ultimately falls on the passenger.
However, one should not fly Spicejet in current times due to the delays ! _________________ www.networkthoughts.com |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | Sad to see such incidences increasing. Unfortunately, the airlines do manage the regulatory authorities and the blame ultimately falls on the passenger.
However, one should not fly Spicejet in current times due to the delays ! |
I love Spicejet, spicejet is the best!!! |
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jbalonso777 Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: | ameya wrote: | However, one should not fly Spicejet in current times due to the delays ! |
I love Spicejet, spicejet is the best!!! |
I laughed waaaaaay harder than I should've _________________ http://www.youtube.com/c/JishnuBasu777 |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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jbalonso777 wrote: | avbuff wrote: | ameya wrote: | However, one should not fly Spicejet in current times due to the delays ! |
I love Spicejet, spicejet is the best!!! |
I laughed waaaaaay harder than I should've |
Khatam now .. Jishnu.. protests in front of your house also.. _________________ www.networkthoughts.com |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.livemint.com/Companies/vINmDYrGxvA4FgICtVsfWI/SpiceJet-posts-fifth-straight-quarterly-loss.html
SpiceJet posts fifth straight quarterly loss
Nov 14 2014
SpiceJet reported its fifth straight quarterly loss in the three months ended 30 September despite a fall in fuel prices.
The airline company reported a Rs.310.4 crore loss in the September quarter, compared with a Rs.559.49 crore loss in the year-earlier period.
The airline said its revenue was up 15% and expenses were down 2%, without disclosing rupee figures.
SpiceJet has reduced its fleet size from 57 last year to about 46 this year. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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sumantra Member
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | jbalonso777 wrote: | avbuff wrote: | ameya wrote: | However, one should not fly Spicejet in current times due to the delays ! |
I love Spicejet, spicejet is the best!!! |
I laughed waaaaaay harder than I should've |
Khatam now .. Jishnu.. protests in front of your house also.. |
Just wait till they drop the SHJ-PNQ direct service _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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so now even The_Goat has joined the Mumbai lobby club, trying to destroy Pune aviation and blocking all international services there ..... we shall protest
If PNQ SHJ gets cancelled ... I'll unleash Darkha butt on You, Ameya and the entire Spicejet team |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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avbuff wrote: |
If PNQ SHJ gets cancelled ... I'll unleash Darkha butt on You, Ameya and the entire Spicejet team |
Oh wouldn't Ameya would love that! After all he is the President and General Secretary of the Pune Chapter of the Darkha Butt Fans Association
As for the protests , they are happening. Wasn't ssbmat spending his time studying the kaalnirnay looking for a good muhurat ? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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747-237 Member
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SPQ, from the fleet today. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SPQ, from the fleet today. |
VT-SGF is also not in service. Is it withdrawn? _________________
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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basheer1211 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-800, VT-SPQ, from the fleet today. |
VT-SGF is also not in service. Is it withdrawn? |
Perhaps; it might be the 10th mentioned above. If I know for sure, you will read about it here. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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sri_bom Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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SpiceJet auditors note 'significant' doubts about going concern statement
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17-Nov-2014 10:54 AM
SpiceJet auditors S R Batliboi & Associates LLP noted (14-Nov-2014) ‘significant’ doubts on the company’s future as the LCC incurred a loss of INR3.1 billion (USD50.2 million) in quarter ended 30-Sep-2014. The auditor said: "Without qualifying our conclusion, we draw attention to Note 7 of the Statement which indicates that the Company has incurred a net loss of Rs. 31,044.6 lakhs during the quarter ended September 30, 2014, and as of that date, the Company's total liabilities exceed its total assets by Rs 145,973.0 lakhs. These conditions, along with other matters...indicate the existence of a material uncertainty that may case significant doubt about the Company's ability to continue as a going concern". This loss in the Sep-2014 quarter marks the carrier's fifth consecutive quarter of net losses, although the losses were down on a year-on-year basis. |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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SpiceJet has withdrawn yet another 737-900ER, VT-SGD, from the fleet today.
That makes it 10.
737-900ER : VT-SPT, VT-SGC, VT-SGB, VT-SGD
737-800: VT-SGO, VT-SGL, VT-SZC, VT-SZD, VT-SGI, VT-SPQ _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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^^ Apart from this, SGF has been ferried to SIN and SZE is not been flying for 2 days. _________________
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Is it safe to say that SG is starting to down its shutters now?
Any guarantee that they will still be operating flights after the new year? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:14 am Post subject: |
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The airline’s chief operating officer (COO) Sanjiv Kapoor said in an email interview that SpiceJet is in talks with investors for funding:
Q. The fleet size is already down from 57 to 47 in last few months and some additional Boeing aircraft have gone back this month. Will the fleet be reduced by another 17 Boeing aircraft?
A. Crazy thought, absolutely not!
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/h7G0dFoOFPfqylmOSMrvQO/SpiceJet-turnaround-is-still-a-work-in-progress-COO.html _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:57 am Post subject: |
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BBAM has major exposure to SG and all 4 of the 900s and one of the 800s on the "returned" list given in a previous post are theirs. SGF is another 800 of BBAM. |
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Clearly the beginning of the end here. _________________ Yeah. |
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justbala Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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My boss had his BLR-MAA flight on SG cancelled for tomorrow. He had to move to 9W (who btw are charging 14k one way on the same sector) |
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747-237 Member
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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If they go under, it could benefit Air Asia India as the are currently hampered due to heavy discounting from Spicejet and matching from Indigo, AI and Jet. They need some external infusion of funds, but no foreign airline is willing to invest in Spicejet. |
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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I believe one Dash - 8 in South is now on the ground. Not just BLR MAA, the night time MAA COK MAA flight is also cancelled for tomorrow and day after. Also DEL HYD COK B738 is cancelled as well (and was not operating for the last few days) |
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747-237 Member
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ssbmat Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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This is exactly how the downfall of KFA began, cancellations on a random basis.
@The_Goat, as for the Kaalnirnay, I think I'd really better start looking at it, with so much encouragement from all around |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:12 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/SpiceJet-cancels-40-daily-flights/articleshow/45197500.cms
SpiceJet cancels 40 daily flights
Nov 19, 2014
SpiceJet has cancelled over 40 daily flights as its fleet of Boeing 737s is down to 28 (two of which are grounded, including the buffalo-hit one in Surat) from the summer high of 35. |
Typical aviation article. Actually around 60 flights cancelled daily till the end of this month. Info on fleet size is also wrong. Fleet of B737 is down to 25 out of which 3 are grounded. _________________
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Spiderguy252 Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like all of the tickets sold at dirt cheap prices for early-2015 aren't going to be honoured... _________________ Yeah. |
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