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HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

I hope they stick with Air India.
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In the good old day of Air India, the employees used to proudly call themselves, "Air Indians".
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tsk911 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 223 Location: DEL

So, according to you people will the livery change or not???... If yes, give your preferences for the new livery...
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kam · Member Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 54 Location: CVT

Have a look at this video report on the merger

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/37252/...-new-look.html

A few intresting points rasied like the employees dont seem to happy and the logo looks a bit yuk

Aiel · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 927 Location: Bangalore

Have they officially released the new logo or is the report discussing the "centaur with a bump behind the head"??
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sammyk · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject:

Hah, why did they dig up footage of VT-ENQ, an oddball all white bird that was leased to replace Kanishka? Couldn't they find any 744 footage?

HAWK21M · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:15 pm Post subject:

Nice Video.
However I hope they go in for the lartest AI livery.
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Karan69 · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 1334

I think this is the first time ever that this forum has unanimously agreed on something. i.e. we do not want Air Indian, keep it as Air India only.

I saw the video a pretty neat one, but not that good CGI when they merged the logo--infact [with no disrespect to my countries flag] the Ashok Chakra could come after the Centaur logo--it would look a bit modern something like a horse rider shooting his target [Again no disrespect intended]

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tsk911 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 223 Location: DEL

The video is good... Waiting to see whether a new livery will be introduced or the new AI livery will be retained...
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tsk911 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 223 Location: DEL

Saw it in Delhi edition of Hindustan Times that the details of the new entity will be out this weekend... The new logo to be a mix between the Maharaja and the Chakra.
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G-BYGB · Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject:

Maybe they should name this merged airline as "Air safron" Smile

becoz its the colour of our national flag.Something different.It sounds good .How about that?
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Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

karatecatman · Guest

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1088702

AI, Indian fly closer towards integration Praveena Sharma
Tuesday, April 03, 2007 22:03 IST

Quotes:

BANGALORE: Having got the Cabinet nod, the merged entity of state-owned international and domestic carriers Air India and Indian - National Aviation Company Ltd - is now in the process of drafting the Scheme of Amalgamation under Section 391-94 of the Companies Act.

This would pave the way for the integration of the two national airlines and their subsidiaries — Air India Express (Air India) and Alliance Air (Indian).

Sources in Air India said that once the draft is ready, it would be placed before the boards and shareholders (government) of both airlines for approval, after which a court's nod would be sought.

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Even though it is reported that the brand for new firm would be Air Indian, sources close to the development said that the decision on brand and logo for National Aviation Company is not yet final. Sources also informed that the Indian office (in Delhi) has been registered as headquarter of the new company.

sammyk · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:17 am Post subject:

mrniji · Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 55 Location: FRA

What bullocks! Some stupid wannabe-modern PR fetishist must have had this idea, placing an innovative concept and presenting it at some after work party in BOM....

HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

Hey Subin Back after a long time.....Managed to rekindle the Aviation flame or still a spark Smile

I hope The merged Airline sticks to the Name AIR INDIA & the new livery.

I was talking to a few IC AMEs last night & they dont seem too optimistic on the merger although the MRO idea for Mx interests them.
Their concern seems the promotion given to AI Staff pre merger to keep them at a senior level with IC staff after the merger.This should never be permitted if true.

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karatecatman · Guest

Adding to this.
A bit of potential trouble in the Southern base. IA has apparently been asked to cool it on international flights. AIX is now taking the lead with a sudden spurt in international flights from the hinterland. (Trichy, Mangalore. And now Coimbatore and Madurai are under active consideration).
IA is a bit p***** that its idea is getg hijacked.
Unconfirmed report is that IA has to step back a little on some routes, particularly Singapore, which could see the A300 taken off and replaced with a smaller aircraft. (Idea is to step up load factor with lesser flights than have numerous flights with a poor load).
IA is also not too thrilled about developments on South India-Gulf and Chennai-Colombo, viz AIX.
IA pilots are very worried that their international flying may get nipped a little, and have less flying to do, as they might have to play second fiddle to AIX.
Allowing IA to expand overseas and international allowances was a major factor that really brought peaceful industrial relations viz the unions in IA.

IA CEO Vishwapathi Trivedi is also a bit down, as the "fourth landing" agreed to pilots and aimed at stepping up aircraft utilisation may go for a toss with AI/AIX getting first preference.

Post-merger, it still seems to be a very aggressive AI versus an equally aggressive IA, inspite of what Praful wants us to believe.

Situation is begng to resemble a bit like the Indian team versus Chappel (Praful Patel). Exclamation

Need 380, Mel to confirm.

the_380 · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:

Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Well in this country politics plays a major part, so if praful decides how much he can milk both these cows, is to be seen.

We have had a past of many civil aviation ministers milking the state run airlines, praful is just the same, but yes he has better dressing sense and is a straight forward cut guy.

Cut do, kaam karo Laughing

karatecatman · Guest

Okay,

Its 90% going to be "Air India". The consultant has told the GoI very firmly that "Air India" has a better rate of recall and if there is any move to call the entity "Air IndiaN", it will delay the launch. There will also be confusion about the brand.

A final decision on this will be taken in exactly a week, but the consultant is having the last word.

The next task now is to accommodate the "Indian" orange Konark wheel on the Air India livery. So there may be reworking on this and some repainting at Boeing Paine Field on "Andhra" and the other two. Personally, not sure how the orange will blend in with Air India red.
Also painting of the ground support equipment for Air India is starting shortly.

Same case likely with the to-be completed A319s and A321s at Toulouse.

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

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The next task now is to accommodate the "Indian" orange Konark wheel on the Air India livery. [quote]

I think it would be easy enough. Paint the whole tail red and get rid of the ugly chopped up Centaur. Then replace it with a Chakra in the same dull gold they used for the Centaur. They can stylize it, put it in relief (like CO's globe), or keep it as is. The Centaurs can stay on the engine cowlings which is basically where they belong.

karatecatman · Guest

Accenture is beleived to have strongly recommended that the "Indian" colour scheme be retained for the new livery.

Also, it says that the interiors of the planes can have strong elements of orange!!!!!!!!!!!
(Orange, scientifically is not exactly a soothing colour. As a colour for interiors, it is energetic. Can;t be having pax getting hyper on board.)

Things have to move fast now as the idea is to get the manufacturer to carry out paint job changes before more aircraft start rolling off the assembly line.

Thulasi likely to be the CMD of the new airline.
Work on the LCC will begin soon as well. Merging Alliance with AIX. Some of IA's older A320s (about 12) are likely to be dumped in this new entity along with whatever remains of Alliance --- the ATRs, the CRJs (IA wants 6 of these with 12 sets of crew) and the Dorniers.

The new Airbus fleet of IA will go to the parent airline as they will be IFE ready and can adapt to the new service standards of the new outfit. That's the line of thinking.

787 · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:59 am Post subject:

Today on CNBC TV 18 I read the news that the new entity will be called Air India Very Happy

Cannot get the link Sorry Sad

sammyk · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject:

Birendra · Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411

Air India it is.

A thousand salutations to the Maharaja.

the_380 · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject:

Air India is the name, call sign might be 'Indian'
Can't understand why two more IC aircrafts are going to be painted now Shocked

at CCU most probably
Also Trivedi might be out Evil or Very Mad

And im wondering which a** made that decision
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HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:20 am Post subject:

The problem lies in pleasing both parties ie AI & IC rather than doing whats needed for the merged airline.
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the_380 · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject:

I still believe merger will not take place at grass root level. its only the top management that will be merged, aircrafts painted and officially one airline created, basic motive to get good money from the IPOs
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HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject:

I've spoken to folks from both Airlines & yet to get an optimistic response to the Merger.Although the takeover of Mx by an MRO by A & B does interest them for obvious reasons.

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the_380 · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:

karatecatman · Guest

One idea making the rounds at Nariman Point is to modify the mutilated Centaur. May be make it smaller and get it in full. Then retain the front half of the Centuar and add the "Indian" Konark wheel to complete the circle.

Doesn;t seem to be great at all.

Better thing would be to have the complete Centaur leap out of the "Konark" wheel.

Also, "Andhra" and the other 2 birds may be heading back to the paint shop.

HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

the_380 · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:

XBValk · Member Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 124 Location: NYC/COK

NEW DELHI: The brand name of the mega-airline emerging from the merger of Air-India and Indian is likely to be ‘Air-India’, and the government may keep the Maharaja mascot intact, a top civil aviation ministry official said on Thursday.

While Accenture, the consultant assisting the government with the merger, will prepare a detailed analysis on the brand name for the merged entity, Air-India seems to be the preferred option, the official said.

One major aspect in favour of brand Air-India is that it will help the merged entity maintain top position in the ABC directory, which lists airlines alphabetically. Air-India is also considered to have high recall value, the official said. When asked about the proposal to brand the new company as ‘Air Indian’ as reported by sections of the media, he said no such option has been considered.

As for the new entity’s logo, Air-India’s famed ‘Maharaja’ seems to be the most preferred choice, while the 'Ashok Chakra' is also a front-runner. The interior of the new aircraft is expected to have a strong tinge of orange.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Transportation/Airlines__Aviation/Maharaja_may_reign_over_a_bigger_sky/articleshow/1863171.cms

tsk911 · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 223 Location: DEL

karatecatman · Guest

The merger is now under the scanner. The govt body on Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices and the Competition Commission of India have not liked the way the GoI is going about the merger.
The two bodies want all the sops extended to the 2 airlines and the entire bundle of tax concessions to be extended to the private sector as well.

The point is that just because the GoI is the owner, it can;t alter the rules. There must be a level playing field for all players in the sector.

karatecatman · Guest

When PP said that there will be no political meddling after the merger, seemed to be a simple statement.
But its a bit complex, may be a long range hint as political fortunes.

The Left is now getting ready to review its ties with the UPA as the Congress is increasingly being seen as anti-aam aadmi.
The BJP is springing out of no where and things may get real bad by the next general election.
Chances are the BJP may be back.

vivekman · Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM

Lets hope the merger comes through before all this!

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