Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Air India now part of Star Alliance Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:26 am    Post subject: Air India now part of Star Alliance Per Livement: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/TiZWDBareF1cx8hot4iQ9M/Air-India-to-join-Star-Alliance-on-11th-July.html Quote: Air India to join Star Alliance on 11th July State-owned Air India Ltd will join the Star Alliance grouping on 11 July, according to a person with knowledge of the development. The Star Alliance board, a group of 23 of the world’s biggest airlines, met in London on Monday to vote on the proposal of Air India’s entry into the prestigious club, the person who declined to be named said. Air India chairman Rohit Nandan, who was in London to attend the Star Alliance board meeting, could not be immediately reached for a comment on the development. Air India and Star Alliance did not offer any formal comment on the matter but Air India in a statement said an official announcement will be made on Tuesday in the Capital by civil aviation minister Ashok Gajapathi Raju. Nandan will attend the event in Delhi. The person cited above said the airline will join the alliance on 11 July and one of Air India’s Airbus A320 will be painted in Star Alliance colours for the event. A new Air India Boeing Dreamliner will also be painted in Star Alliance colours to be showcased to the world in what will be more than a year-long campaign. Hope this is true - can't wait for the official press release from Star and Air India! Good luck to AI... PS: Starting a new thread to bring all AI/ *A related updates together. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:15 am    Post subject: Does Air India know? Back to top vivekman Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 1897 Location: BOM Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:22 am    Post subject: The Star Alliance board meeting was yesterday, but there is still no press release on their website or anywhere else. The press release usually comes out on the same day. Did the whole thing bomb once again? _________________ Boeing makes planes. Airbus makes videogames! Back to top ameya Member Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 3671 Location: Pune,Maharashtra Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: There is a joint press conference where the minister is going to be present. It is slated for today afternoon Back to top Aseem Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:13 pm    Post subject: there is a press release from Star Alliance as well http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/airindia-2014-prp/ VT-ASJ _________________ [url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri] [/url] Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: http://www.staralliance.com/assets/doc/en/press/press-releases/jpg/2014/20140622__122407.jpg I would have directly used the Image option, but it's way too big. Can someone reduce the size? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject: Excellent news - now for the details. I hope AI does not botch up the details and keeps fairly liberal earning rates for the initial few years. I don't fly much domestically in India, otherwise I'd have switched to AI immediately. Still, hope there are others who will benefit right away. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:58 pm    Post subject: Congratulations, I guess. It took them long enough, but hopefully now it's a done deal. Of course, the Fat AIntie hasn't sang yet... And speaking of: abhijith16 wrote: http://www.staralliance.com/assets/doc/en/press/press-releases/jpg/2014/20140622__122407.jpg Thankfully AI used one of their prettier, proportionate ladies for that picture (or maybe it's a hired model). But what is up with that 60s beehive hairdo? Eek. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: . But what is up with that 60s beehive hairdo? Eek. At least it is a hairdo. Rather unlike the OS girl on the right, who looks like she just got out of bed. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Last edited by The_Goat on Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:24 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:24 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: jasepl wrote: . But what is up with that 60s beehive hairdo? Eek. At least it is a hairdo. Rather unlike the OS girl on the right, who looks like she has just got out of bed. True. That Brit-Punjabi airport auntie in the background (behind the token male crew member on the right) has a better looking head of hair than either the OS wali or the Ai wali. The two prettiest in that pic are the SQ and ET ladies. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:18 pm    Post subject: Time to get on AI more often, who knows when the miles would prove useful - even if I don't do across the world hops on the entire plethora of Star Carriers at present. _________________ Yeah. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Hopefully AI get their FFP act together in the next week or two, July 11th isn't that far away! _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top PlaneLover Member Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 275 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:05 am    Post subject: Congratulations and best wishes!! Please reduce / get rid of freebies, and hopefully the airline will become profitable again soon. Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 377 Location: NYC Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:28 am    Post subject: We have waited long for this and as a lifetime *G this has interesting possibilities for me. I will, however, hold off on getting excited until we know more about the fares that earn full mileage credit. This is AI after all. I am more excited about the possibility of award travel on them, of course that depends on whether they open up award space (especially up front) to their *A partners. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:40 am    Post subject: sshank wrote: as a lifetime *G this has interesting possibilities for me. I will, however, hold off on getting excited until we know more about the fares that earn full mileage credit. This is AI after all. Look at it this way, when you need to fly domestic in India, then AI will be the preferred brand - even if the mileage is only 50 or 75% - it's still status mileage and you get the benefits of lounge/ baggage/ priority etc. Definitely a better bet than 6E or 9W. If you're choosing a route like DEL-SIN or DEL-FRA and have a "better" choice, then you might choose to skip AI. Or now SQ/ LH FFPs might choose AI if they're getting a better fare or timing (or the #avgeeks want to try the 787 ) On "exclusive" routes like ORD-DEL or JFK-DEL or even LHR/ FRA/ CDG/ MOW/ MXP/ SYD/ MEL - DEL, AI is a great option for *A loyalists. These are AI's bread-butter routes, and they can now attract all the UA/ AC/ LH FFPs onto their own metal far better than they could in the past. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:29 pm    Post subject: Any chance that AI will now start some flights to other *A hubs like IST, ADD or CAI? I think a BOM-CAI route will do well. They could do it with an A320 even, to start with. Or they could do DEL-CAI, and time that with SE Asia connections. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:22 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: Any chance that AI will now start some flights to other *A hubs like IST, ADD or CAI? I think a BOM-CAI route will do well. They could do it with an A320 even, to start with. Or they could do DEL-CAI, and time that with SE Asia connections. With the turmoil in Egypt? I don't think so. I want to see Ai go for BOM-DEL-PEK 3pw or a possible DEL-IAD (after the FAA lifts Category 2 status) I think SAA could take this as an opportunity to give up BOM-JNB to AI. _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:21 pm    Post subject: FINALLY........... _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 377 Location: NYC Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:28 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: sshank wrote: as a lifetime *G this has interesting possibilities for me. I will, however, hold off on getting excited until we know more about the fares that earn full mileage credit. This is AI after all. Look at it this way, when you need to fly domestic in India, then AI will be the preferred brand - even if the mileage is only 50 or 75% - it's still status mileage and you get the benefits of lounge/ baggage/ priority etc. Definitely a better bet than 6E or 9W. If you're choosing a route like DEL-SIN or DEL-FRA and have a "better" choice, then you might choose to skip AI. Or now SQ/ LH FFPs might choose AI if they're getting a better fare or timing (or the #avgeeks want to try the 787 ) On "exclusive" routes like ORD-DEL or JFK-DEL or even LHR/ FRA/ CDG/ MOW/ MXP/ SYD/ MEL - DEL, AI is a great option for *A loyalists. These are AI's bread-butter routes, and they can now attract all the UA/ AC/ LH FFPs onto their own metal far better than they could in the past. True - all domestic India travel will now be on AI (unless they screw up earnings completely). The baggage benefits will help as the desi carriers are really cracking down on this. I assume AI is now all naan-stop to the US? The FRA /LHR one stoppers are all gone? Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:33 pm    Post subject: Looking fwd to viewing the star livery on the AI fleet _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top megatop747 Member Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 131 Location: now LHR / from MAA Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Does this mean Air India will move to LHR T2 ?? Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: sshank wrote: I assume AI is now all naan-stop to the US? The FRA /LHR one stoppers are all gone? Yes. All 'naan-stop'. Since 2011. Where have you been? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: megatop747 wrote: Does this mean Air India will move to LHR T2 ?? Most definitely. Once LHR T2 is fully up and running, of course. _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:05 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: sshank wrote: I assume AI is now all naan-stop to the US? The FRA /LHR one stoppers are all gone? Yes. All 'naan-stop'. Since 2011. Where have you been? Well - it's AI - nothing necessarily stays the same or is logical. That fact that it's been non-stop only for 3 years is probably more of a surprise than fait-accompli! _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: sshank wrote: I assume AI is now all naan-stop to the US? The FRA /LHR one stoppers are all gone? Yes. All 'naan-stop'. Since 2011. Where have you been? Yes, they are all naan stop and sabji stop, since they make stops inside India. The AI US flights are BOM-DEL-JFK, HYD-DEL-ORD and AMD-BOM-EWR _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:46 pm    Post subject: The_Goat wrote: abhijith16 wrote: sshank wrote: I assume AI is now all naan-stop to the US? The FRA /LHR one stoppers are all gone? Yes. All 'naan-stop'. Since 2011. Where have you been? Yes, they are all naan stop and sabji stop, since they make stops inside India. The AI US flights are BOM-DEL-JFK, HYD-DEL-ORD and AMD-BOM-EWR Speaking of which, supposing FAA lifts India out of CATII, can we see a XXX-DEL-IAD (XXX being MAA/BLR/CCU)? _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: Speaking of which, supposing FAA lifts India out of CATII, can we see a XXX-DEL-IAD (XXX being MAA/BLR/CCU)? It depends on how close AI and UA get to each other. If they do strike a deal, then almost certainly yes. If they don't then it will be up to AI to manage the flight on it's own - which will somewhat depend on how UA FFPs find the earnings on AI compared to flying on the UA/ LH JV. _________________ We miss you Nalini! Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 377 Location: NYC Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:18 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: abhijith16 wrote: Speaking of which, supposing FAA lifts India out of CATII, can we see a XXX-DEL-IAD (XXX being MAA/BLR/CCU)? It depends on how close AI and UA get to each other. If they do strike a deal, then almost certainly yes. If they don't then it will be up to AI to manage the flight on it's own - which will somewhat depend on how UA FFPs find the earnings on AI compared to flying on the UA/ LH JV. You have to wonder how UA feels about this whole thing. The UA EWR-BOM/DEL flights appear to be doing great, and one wonders if that will be impacted. UA will certainly hope that AI's reputation will keep the business travelers from defecting from UA. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:17 pm    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: The_Goat wrote: Any chance that AI will now start some flights to other *A hubs like IST, ADD or CAI? I think a BOM-CAI route will do well. They could do it with an A320 even, to start with. Or they could do DEL-CAI, and time that with SE Asia connections. With the turmoil in Egypt? I don't think so. I want to see Ai go for BOM-DEL-PEK 3pw or a possible DEL-IAD (after the FAA lifts Category 2 status) I think SAA could take this as an opportunity to give up BOM-JNB to AI. Honestly, I'd rather see AI make an honest go of things and make the most of alliance membership (limited as those benefits are) by way of Many of AI's current destinations are Star hubs anyway, and, coincidentally, big desi centres : London, Newark, Singapore, Bangkok, Chicago... plus Tokyo, Frankfurt and Shanghai. It would be better for them to focus on their existing network and take advantage of these new partnership possibilities. Rather than start new destinations just because. On the contrary, they need to slow down after a period of crazy expansion. Operational improvement is nice and all, but the likelihood of AI turning a profit is between slim and none (and I heard slim just left town), so baby steps is all we can ask for. And they do have their work cut out for them, if at all they care (and I'm not holding my breath). Compared to their new friends in Star, AI come up dead last in productivity:. Passengers per employee: Best - Adria 3,476 THY 2,566 Average 1,679 United 1,647 Worst - AI 669 Annual flights per employee Best - LOT 52 Air Canada 20 Average 18 TAP 17 Worst - AI 6 Annual sales per employee Best - ANA 1,128,571 Air China 633,187 Average 446,985 Ethiopian 269,196 Worst - AI 141,035 Employees per plane Best - Adria 34 Lufthansa 94 Average 108 Avianca 125 Worst - AI 243 _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top me111993 Member Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 3225 Location: MAA/AMD Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: ^ couldn't have agreed more. _________________ Causal Determinism : We are hardwired to need answers. The Caveman who heard a rustle in the bushes and checked out to see what it was, lived longer than the guy, who assumed it was just a breeze. - Greg House Back to top Spiderguy252 Member Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 4259 Location: Indian Ocean Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Unlikely, but will this have any sort of (positive) impact on the FAA restriction on India at all? _________________ Yeah. Back to top sshank Member Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 377 Location: NYC Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: jasepl wrote: abhijith16 wrote: The_Goat wrote: Any chance that AI will now start some flights to other *A hubs like IST, ADD or CAI? I think a BOM-CAI route will do well. They could do it with an A320 even, to start with. Or they could do DEL-CAI, and time that with SE Asia connections. With the turmoil in Egypt? I don't think so. I want to see Ai go for BOM-DEL-PEK 3pw or a possible DEL-IAD (after the FAA lifts Category 2 status) I think SAA could take this as an opportunity to give up BOM-JNB to AI. Honestly, I'd rather see AI make an honest go of things and make the most of alliance membership (limited as those benefits are) by way of Many of AI's current destinations are Star hubs anyway, and, coincidentally, big desi centres : London, Newark, Singapore, Bangkok, Chicago... plus Tokyo, Frankfurt and Shanghai. It would be better for them to focus on their existing network and take advantage of these new partnership possibilities. Rather than start new destinations just because. On the contrary, they need to slow down after a period of crazy expansion. Operational improvement is nice and all, but the likelihood of AI turning a profit is between slim and none (and I heard slim just left town), so baby steps is all we can ask for. And they do have their work cut out for them, if at all they care (and I'm not holding my breath). Compared to their new friends in Star, AI come up dead last in productivity:. Jason, this may be the best thing that has ever happened to AI and they may do well despite themselves. They will show up in the radar of people who otherwise would not have even looked at them as an option. Back to top jasepl Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:38 pm    Post subject: sshank wrote: Jason, this may be the best thing that has ever happened to AI and they may do well despite themselves. They will show up in the radar of people who otherwise would not have even looked at them as an option. Oh I was just giving my two bits on any additional destinations from Air India in the near future. That is something I feel needs to put on hold until they somewhat consolidate the network they already have (BHX, DME, FCO, MEL, MXP, SYD is a lot in a very short time). They need to do much, much, much better with what they currently have, without increasing destinations for the medium term and aircraft or employees for a long, long, long time. That, alas, is going to be very, very unlikely, and my non-existent children's children will probably be paying for AI and the AI friends and families' flights of fancy. But I completely agree with you; this Star thing is the best thing AI have done for themselves in a very long time. Juxtapose that with the grab-the-ankles sellout by the other airline, which is probably one of the worst things they have done for themselves. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:12 am    Post subject: STAR is by far the best alliance out there, so joining STAR will hopefully be good for AI's bottom line. For one, they'll be the only STAR alliance airline out there on such high profile routes as India-HKG/LHR/DXB. Of course, they'll have to beef up their premium offerings and bring them up to par with the better STAR carriers. Right now, only Egypt Air seem to have a worse soft product in J. Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Jaysit wrote: STAR is by far the best alliance out there, so joining STAR will hopefully be good for AI's bottom line. . The range of quality Star Alliance offers is pretty amazing. On one had they have the likes of SQ, ANA and Thai while on the other there is Egyptair, Copa Panama and AI _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top iah87 Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2566 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: This is great. I hope they have decent earning rates. Atleast I can use AI for domestic travel and use them internationally for redemptions by using UA miles. It will take atleast a month probably by late August to get the award space open on AI for other star carriers. Back to top iah87 Member Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 2566 Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:41 pm    Post subject: sshank wrote: Nimish wrote: abhijith16 wrote: Speaking of which, supposing FAA lifts India out of CATII, can we see a XXX-DEL-IAD (XXX being MAA/BLR/CCU)? It depends on how close AI and UA get to each other. If they do strike a deal, then almost certainly yes. If they don't then it will be up to AI to manage the flight on it's own - which will somewhat depend on how UA FFPs find the earnings on AI compared to flying on the UA/ LH JV. You have to wonder how UA feels about this whole thing. The UA EWR-BOM/DEL flights appear to be doing great, and one wonders if that will be impacted. UA will certainly hope that AI's reputation will keep the business travelers from defecting from UA. There could some defections on the EWR-BOM route which directly competes with AI. But with UA's FFP premier status tied to travel on UA only, this could be limited. Still the VFR travellers who are also FFP on UA now will have a choice, they can choose AI if the price is same or even slightly higher. Back to top The_Goat Member Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: iah87 wrote: sshank wrote: You have to wonder how UA feels about this whole thing. The UA EWR-BOM/DEL flights appear to be doing great, and one wonders if that will be impacted. UA will certainly hope that AI's reputation will keep the business travelers from defecting from UA. There could some defections on the EWR-BOM route which directly competes with AI. But with UA's FFP premier status tied to travel on UA only, this could be limited. Still the VFR travellers who are also FFP on UA now will have a choice, they can choose AI if the price is same or even slightly higher. Apparently, AI's BOM-EWR flight is also doing very well. It is one route where AI are actually making money. So if UA and AI are both doing well, then there is no reason for either to complain, particularly now when they are in the same alliance. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). -Jasepl Back to top abhijith16 Member Joined: 14 Sep 2010 Posts: 1575 Location: DOH/IXE/MEL Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:59 pm    Post subject: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-indias-first-business-class-revamp-a-waste-unless-upgrades-for-netas-babus-end/articleshow/37237394.cms Here's wishing AI the best..... (and for TATA-SIA to pick AI up!! ) _________________ <a><img></a> Back to top Jaysit Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:25 am    Post subject: abhijith16 wrote: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-indias-first-business-class-revamp-a-waste-unless-upgrades-for-netas-babus-end/articleshow/37237394.cms Here's wishing AI the best..... (and for TATA-SIA to pick AI up!! ) Indeed. But neither STAR nor God nor all the powers in a billion galaxies can match the greed, venality and ability to throw tantrums of the babu-beta class and, of course, AI's fat and lazy spoiled employees. 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