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| jasepl wrote: | | Delta have a whole bunch of planes based in Japan. |
Oh! Right, of course.
| jasepl wrote: | | Nearer home, Failga have planes based in Dhabi and Hong Kong (and Brussels too). |
Knew that was coming.
Dhabi - yes. Agreed.
Cathay land - probably not. The planes are just there doing nothing at all. Oh and rotations are changed at times when fly into BOM/DEL (JEL/JEH is the recent trend..). Maybe if they were flying around, then yes, perhaps planes are based there. After all, they are maintained and all in India only, or am I missing something?
Brussels - again, that's a scissor hub. Planes aren't based there, are they? BRU is a part of a BOM/DEL-North America flight.
So basically, what you are saying is that if a plane (your favorite Cathay, for example) does CMB-SIN-HKG, the plane is based in SIN?
Edit - ugh, damn you, you edited it while I was typing 
Yes, Ryanair, how could we forget the inspiration to our airlines? 
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| jasepl wrote: | | jbalonso777 wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: |
I assume that is Delhi-Singapore-Delhi, or will the aircraft really be based at Singapore? |
I'm sorry, this could be a lack of knowledge, and/or a silly question..
But..I haven't really heard of examples of an airline basing an aircraft out of its country of origin (let alone hub). Do you know any such instance, maybe an explanation as to why AI would base the aircraft at SIN?
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There's plenty (but rarer today than in the past). AI aren't doing so though; that's just sloppy reporting.
Delta have a whole bunch of planes based in Japan.
Nearer home, Failga have planes based in Dhabi and Hong Kong (and Brussels too). |
Delta have a whole bunch of planes based in AMS too.
and FX have planes based in CDG.
The likes of EasyJet and RyanAir have a number of aircraft based all over Europe.
In any case, I wasn't being serious about AI basing stuff at SIN. It was only my way of questioning the reporting.
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| jbalonso777 wrote: |
Cathay land - probably not. The planes are just there doing nothing at all. Oh and rotations are changed at times when fly into BOM/DEL (JEL/JEH is the recent trend..). Maybe if they were flying around, then yes, perhaps planes are based there. After all, they are maintained and all in India only, or am I missing something?
Brussels - again, that's a scissor hub. Planes aren't based there, are they? BRU is a part of a BOM/DEL-North America flight.
So basically, what you are saying is that if a plane (your favorite Cathay, for example) does CMB-SIN-HKG, the plane is based in SIN? |
BRU : Jet did BOM-BRU on the 777 and BRU-EWR on the 330 (not sure if that's still the case). The only way to do that would be to base the plane in BRU (or EWR). Or to fly an empty 330 between Bombay and Brussels alongside the 777 (they're capable of such an endeavour).
HKG : the planes spend 2 hours a day in India and 12 hours a day in Hong Kong. You do the maths.
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BRU : Jet did BOM-BRU on the 777 and BRU-EWR on the 330 (not sure if that's still the case). The only way to do that would be to base the plane in BRU (or EWR). Or to fly an empty 330 between Bombay and Brussels alongside the 777 (they're capable of such an endeavour).
HKG : the planes spend 2 hours a day in India and 12 hours a day in Hong Kong. You do the maths. |
BRU - Did. So that's end of story, I guess. (for now  )
HKG - true enough, they spend a bulk of the day in HKG. And unless I hallucinated, they just sunbathe there. No one dare touch those planes. So really, they are just parked there wasting time, while India is indeed the base (which include maintenance, swapping of rotation, etcetera ). |
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Potato... Potahto
Jet Airways... JetKonnect
JetFailure... JetFailure
(By the way, there were plenty of other examples of aircraft based outside of home country in the past. A bunch of American carriers had planes based in LON/PAR/BER els, a some European airlines had planes based in America/Caribbean/Asia etc. Newer jets and market maturity changed that.)
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| jasepl wrote: |
. A bunch of American carriers had planes based in LON/PAR/BER els, |
True, Pan Am and TWA had regional aircraft (first DC-6s then 727s) based in Frankfurt during the cold war. They were used on the FRA-BER route.
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One of the AI B777-200LRs has an issue :
Fan cowl inner skin found cracked full width from leading edge to trailing edge 76 inches away from the top edge.
Outer skin of the fan cowl also cracked at the same location at both leading edge and trailing edge 2 inches from the edges.
Details of the damage with photographs:
http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tender/B777%20Fan%20Cowl%20Crack%20Photo.pdf
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| 747-237 wrote: | http://www.ptinews.com/news/4492950_AI-to-deploy-Dreamliner-on-S-pore-Delhi-S-pore-route-.html
AI to deploy Dreamliner on S'pore-Delhi-S'pore route
Mar 12
Air India today said it will ply the Dreamliner on the Singapore-Delhi-Singapore route, from March 20, more than doubling the passenger capacity through aircraft upgrade.
The Dreamliner's introduction on the daily Singapore route is on popular demand, said Nirbhik Narang, Air India's country manager in Singapore. |
Air India to Start Boeing 787-8 Service to Singapore from late-March 2014
Air India starting 20MAR14 is introducing Boeing 787-8 operations on Delhi Singapore service, replacing Airbus A319 aircraft. The Boeing 787 aircraft to operate this route on daily basis.
AI380 DEL0005 0755SIN 788 D
AI381 SIN0915 1215DEL 788 D
Source: Airlineroute.net
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Air India May July 2014 Dubai / Sharjah Operation Changes
Air India from 01MAY14 to 19JUL14 is adjusting operations, as daily Chennai Dubai and Hyderabad Dubai operation moves to Sharjah, due to runway maintenance project at Dubai International. The airline will continue to operate Airbus A321 aircraft.
Chennai Sharjah
AI905 MAA1850 2110SHJ 321 D
AI906 SHJ2200 0350+1MAA 321 D
Hyderabad Sharjah
AI952 HYD2125 2320SHJ 321 D
AI952 SHJ0035 0530HYD 321 D
AI952 operates from 02MAY14 to 20JUL14
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| jbalonso777 wrote: | | jasepl wrote: |
BRU : Jet did BOM-BRU on the 777 and BRU-EWR on the 330 (not sure if that's still the case). The only way to do that would be to base the plane in BRU (or EWR). Or to fly an empty 330 between Bombay and Brussels alongside the 777 (they're capable of such an endeavour).
HKG : the planes spend 2 hours a day in India and 12 hours a day in Hong Kong. You do the maths. |
BRU - Did. So that's end of story, I guess. (for now )
HKG - true enough, they spend a bulk of the day in HKG. And unless I hallucinated, they just sunbathe there. No one dare touch those planes. So really, they are just parked there wasting time, while India is indeed the base (which include maintenance, swapping of rotation, etcetera ). |
The 330 was not based out of BRU - it rotated with the DEL service IIRC. This was for a very short duration. From my experience even the likes of DEL-BRU-JFK was not done on the same a/c - they used to regularly rotate a/c at BRU and I was on a different 332 on the DEL-BRU and BRU-JFK sectors.
Given that there are more pax for an evening flight than a morning one from HKG, it makes sense for a/c to be there the whole day. But in Madame BBB's twisted world this is strict taboo!! Madame BBB would like Jet to never land outside India and just beam passengers up and down like in Star Trek!! |
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| himmat01 wrote: | | I am surprised that the Shiv Sena supported Cabin Crew Union is mum over these terminations. I would have expected Shiv Sena goons to have gone a rampage at Nariman Point HQ. |
And so it happens:
From: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ai-hostesses-air-india-management-shiv-sena-political-pressure-aicca-civil-aviation-ministry/1/349473.html
| Quote: | Air India revokes termination of sacked hostesses under political pressure
The Air India (AI) management 'succumbed' to political pressure on Thursday unconditionally revoking the termination of 12 hostess and a flight purser who had been sacked earlier this month for repeatedly reporting late or skipping duty leading to delayed or cancelled flights.
The decision to revoke the termination was taken after the Shiv Sena-backed breakaway faction of the All India Cabin Crew Association (AICCA) held a meeting with AI chairman and managing director Rohit Nandan in Mumbai on Thursday. According to officials, reversing the order is bound to be taken as assign of weakness and will make it more difficult to discipline erring staff in the loss-making national carrier, which is struggling to improve its efficiency.
Mail Today on March 7 reported that some members of Parliament from Mumbai cutting across party lines were pressuring AI to reinstate the hostesses and the purser. A top AI official had told this newspaper that most of the employees, especially the high- flying hostesses, are "very well-connected" and have been trying to pressure the management to revoke their termination. .... |
WTF! How do you ensure discipline, if everyone knows that the "terminations" are meaningless!
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| Nimish wrote: | | himmat01 wrote: | | I am surprised that the Shiv Sena supported Cabin Crew Union is mum over these terminations. I would have expected Shiv Sena goons to have gone a rampage at Nariman Point HQ. |
And so it happens:
From: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ai-hostesses-air-india-management-shiv-sena-political-pressure-aicca-civil-aviation-ministry/1/349473.html
| Quote: | Air India revokes termination of sacked hostesses under political pressure
The Air India (AI) management 'succumbed' to political pressure on Thursday unconditionally revoking the termination of 12 hostess and a flight purser who had been sacked earlier this month for repeatedly reporting late or skipping duty leading to delayed or cancelled flights.
The decision to revoke the termination was taken after the Shiv Sena-backed breakaway faction of the All India Cabin Crew Association (AICCA) held a meeting with AI chairman and managing director Rohit Nandan in Mumbai on Thursday. According to officials, reversing the order is bound to be taken as assign of weakness and will make it more difficult to discipline erring staff in the loss-making national carrier, which is struggling to improve its efficiency.
Mail Today on March 7 reported that some members of Parliament from Mumbai cutting across party lines were pressuring AI to reinstate the hostesses and the purser. A top AI official had told this newspaper that most of the employees, especially the high- flying hostesses, are "very well-connected" and have been trying to pressure the management to revoke their termination. .... |
WTF! How do you ensure discipline, if everyone knows that the "terminations" are meaningless! |
This effort by AI itself should be a deterrent in the future. I doubt now any of employees will come in late, except on rare occasions. I am sure they dont want to go through with this again, next time the Minister may not be as cooperative. Also why is AI not suspending them with 15 days or a month's pay. Losing money would be preferable than outright termination. |
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http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/03/14/honeywell-signs-mou-air-india-goair-provide-safe-runway-technology/
Honeywell signs MoU with Air India, GoAir to provide safe runway technology
March 14, 2014
US-based technology firm Honeywell has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Air India and GoAir, two of Indias leading airliners, to implement its proprietary software that helps make air travel safer and mitigates the risk for accidents on the ground.
The technology in question is called SmartRunway/SmartLanding, a tool that uses Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) information and airport/runway data to help pilots better determine the best way to taxi, takeoff, and land commercial jet airplanes. The technology also helps monitor the other runways at an airport, and can better assess the proximity of planes to each other on the ground, thus reducing the potential for crashes or run-ins on airport tarmacs.
Air India is looking to utilize the technology on a trial-run basis, essentially leasing it for six months to see if there are any noticeable improvements and determine whether or not it should keep it for long-term use. Through the MoU, both companies will share operation data with each other and assess any positive changes found in Air Indias fleet of Boeing 777s. There are currently dozens of major airliners that use the SmartRunway/SmartLanding technology, and Honeywell is one of the leaders in aviation technology around the world..
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| justbala wrote: |
Given that there are more pax for an evening flight than a morning one from HKG, it makes sense for a/c to be there the whole day |
Sorry, but making an aircraft sit on the tarmac for a whole day merely to do two five hour flights at night is bad utilization.
Jet can get more creative here, maybe by introducing new destinations in Australia, Japan or the US west coast, which could be serviced via HKG with a CX code share. Depending on the destination, the plan may need the use of two aircraft, which is one less aircraft leased out - a good idea IMO.
And please, don't tell me that there is no demand for Pacific Rim destinations beyond HKG from India.
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| TraumaLiner (TM) strikes again! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | TraumaLiner (TM) strikes again! |
What happened now?
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| Nimish wrote: | | Jaysit wrote: | | TraumaLiner (TM) strikes again! |
What happened now? |
Spoiler failure at CDG, as per a couple of posts above. To go up with the several dozen incidents before and after.
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| iah87 wrote: | | This effort by AI itself should be a deterrent in the future. I doubt now any of employees will come in late, except on rare occasions. I am sure they dont want to go through with this again, next time the Minister may not be as cooperative. Also why is AI not suspending them with 15 days or a month's pay. Losing money would be preferable than outright termination. |
Surely you know better by now!
AI regularly "terminate" staff only to re-hire them later.
I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). |
man, you are the limit!
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| The_Goat wrote: | | jasepl wrote: |
I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). |
man, you are the limit! |
Hehehe... It's a tough question to answer though!
| The_Goat wrote: | | justbala wrote: |
Given that there are more pax for an evening flight than a morning one from HKG, it makes sense for a/c to be there the whole day |
Sorry, but making an aircraft sit on the tarmac for a whole day merely to do two five hour flights at night is bad utilization.
Jet can get more creative here, maybe by introducing new destinations in Australia, Japan or the US west coast, which could be serviced via HKG with a CX code share. Depending on the destination, the plan may need the use of two aircraft, which is one less aircraft leased out - a good idea IMO.
And please, don't tell me that there is no demand for Pacific Rim destinations beyond HKG from India. |
Absolutely. 5 hours work followed by 12 hours rest sounds like an AI employee's job contract.
Even if the plane absolutely must return home in the evening (it mustn't, because where are the poor people going to go? they're not going to fly Cathay - too expensive, no space available and did not emerge from the Ganges) - there's over a dozen places they could send the planes during the day. Bangkok, Beijing, Busan, Cebu, Clark, Denpasar, Guam, Hanoi, Jakarta, Kolkotto, Koror, Fail-a-Lumpur, Manila, Nagoya, Osaka, Penang, Phnom Penh, Phuket, Rangoon, Saigon, Sapporo, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Taipei, Tokyo, Ulan Bator, Vladivostok...
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| jasepl wrote: | | iah87 wrote: | | This effort by AI itself should be a deterrent in the future. I doubt now any of employees will come in late, except on rare occasions. I am sure they dont want to go through with this again, next time the Minister may not be as cooperative. Also why is AI not suspending them with 15 days or a month's pay. Losing money would be preferable than outright termination. |
Surely you know better by now!
AI regularly "terminate" staff only to re-hire them later.
I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). |
ROFL! |
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| sri_bom wrote: | Air India continues to dismiss flight attendants: reports
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Air India has reportedly now dismissed close to three dozen cabin crew members for reporting late for work and delaying services over the past 12 days, with the carrier noting: Any violation of rules and regulations of the company amounts to official action and appropriate action has been initiated against the cabin crew members" (The Hindu/TNN/PTI, 06-Mar-2014). Earlier this week, the carrier had reportedly dismissed seven crew members following the reported termination of 10 employees last week. The airline, on 20-Feb-2014, issued a notice warning cabin crew that if they do not reach airports on time for their services, penal action would be taken against them. |
Air India receives unconditional apologies for 17 cabin crew members made redundant
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Air India reportedly received unconditional apologies from 17 cabin crew members recently made redundant for reporting late to work and delaying services (TNN, 17-Mar-2014). The crew members reportedly blamed the union for inciting them while the carrier said it would consider their request for pardon on a "case to case basis." Meanwhile, two to three top union leaders have reportedly been suspended for "anti-national acts" by writing to Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority complaining of lack of rest for crew members. |
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| sri_bom wrote: | | sri_bom wrote: | Air India continues to dismiss flight attendants: reports
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7-Mar-2014 10:49 AM
Air India has reportedly now dismissed close to three dozen cabin crew members for reporting late for work and delaying services over the past 12 days, with the carrier noting: Any violation of rules and regulations of the company amounts to official action and appropriate action has been initiated against the cabin crew members" (The Hindu/TNN/PTI, 06-Mar-2014). Earlier this week, the carrier had reportedly dismissed seven crew members following the reported termination of 10 employees last week. The airline, on 20-Feb-2014, issued a notice warning cabin crew that if they do not reach airports on time for their services, penal action would be taken against them. |
While there is a part of my that thinks the anti national acts thing is a bit much, something firm needed to be done. AI/IA (used purposely) seem to think they can do what ever they want to defend their looting of AI. I still no people who are friends of pilots (not family) and get upgraded to business every time they fly EWR-BOM. The GOI should use joining Star to end all of this crap with both GOI officials and AI employees abusing AI
Air India receives unconditional apologies for 17 cabin crew members made redundant
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18-Mar-2014 10:16 AM
Air India reportedly received unconditional apologies from 17 cabin crew members recently made redundant for reporting late to work and delaying services (TNN, 17-Mar-2014). The crew members reportedly blamed the union for inciting them while the carrier said it would consider their request for pardon on a "case to case basis." Meanwhile, two to three top union leaders have reportedly been suspended for "anti-national acts" by writing to Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority complaining of lack of rest for crew members. |
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| The_Goat wrote: | | I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). |
Love the signature line! 
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| jasepl wrote: | | The_Goat wrote: | | I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes). |
Love the signature line! |
Couldn't allow that to go un-honored!
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[quote="jasepl"]Absolutely. 5 hours work followed by 12 hours rest sounds like an AI employee's job contract. | Quote: | Ha ha!
[quote="jasepl"]Even if the plane absolutely must return home in the evening (it mustn't, because where are the poor people going to go? they're not going to fly Cathay - too expensive, no space available and did not emerge from the Ganges) - there's over a dozen places they could send the planes during the day. |
Even AI does ICN and KIX alternately from HKG, and doesn't do that badly there, though the B77L's operating economics in those days made AI take quite a hit.
| jasepl wrote: | | Bangkok, Beijing, Busan, Cebu, Clark, Denpasar, Guam, Hanoi, Jakarta, Kolkotto, Koror, Fail-a-Lumpur, Manila, Nagoya, Osaka, Penang, Phnom Penh, Phuket, Rangoon, Saigon, Sapporo, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Taipei, Tokyo, Ulan Bator, Vladivostok... |
I apologise, it may sound in bad taste...for a while, I thought I was reading the Malaysia B772ER mystery disappearance thread.
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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| sumantra wrote: | | Even AI does ICN and KIX alternately from HKG, and doesn't do that badly there, though the B77L's operating economics in those days made AI take quite a hit. |
Besides the poor aircraft choice, it's a perfectly workable option.
Hell, a bunch of European airlines do just that with tags onto their Asian and South American flights, to keep the aircraft productive and generate additional income. Of course, yield and capacity management come into the picture, and the airline in question needs to be capable of managing such an endeavour. Evidently, AF, AI, KL, LH can. 9W can't (there's a surprise).
Besides, with Hong Kong, given how non-restrictive they are in so many areas, it just might be possible to sell the two legs (eg BOM-HKG and HKG-BKK) as two independent flights and not sell a single seat for a BOM-HKG-BKK routing. Hong Kong's very own Cathay did that for years with HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB.
| sumantra wrote: | | Bangkok, Beijing, Busan, Cebu, Clark, Denpasar, Guam, Hanoi, Jakarta, Kolkotto, Koror, Fail-a-Lumpur, Manila, Nagoya, Osaka, Penang, Phnom Penh, Phuket, Rangoon, Saigon, Sapporo, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Taipei, Tokyo, Ulan Bator, Vladivostok... |
I apologise, it may sound in bad taste...for a while, I thought I was reading the Malaysia B772ER mystery disappearance thread.
Cheers, Sumantra.[/quote]
Hahaha! A-okay in my book! And it definitely reads like a list of places where that plane could have ended up.
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| jasepl wrote: | | sumantra wrote: | | Even AI does ICN and KIX alternately from HKG, and doesn't do that badly there, though the B77L's operating economics in those days made AI take quite a hit. |
Besides the poor aircraft choice, it's a perfectly workable option.
Hell, a bunch of European airlines do just that with tags onto their Asian and South American flights, to keep the aircraft productive and generate additional income. Of course, yield and capacity management come into the picture, and the airline in question needs to be capable of managing such an endeavour. |
Yes, I have experienced both AI and CX (yes, I have flown quite a few other airlines, though most of my trips have been on AI). I have seen (incidental evidence, backed up by some statistics on the route) some excellent loads on the DEL-HKG route (including to-the-brim B77Ls and B77Ws), and fair-to-good loads on the HKG-ICN/KIX legs. AI's front-heavy B777Ls ble(e)d badly with their less-than-stellar reputation ensuring very few revenue passengers in the front, especially in F. However, this was their best bet in terms of the capacity match. When the loads rose, AI did better on the B77Ws. Right now, the Dream)liner's economics promise a lot for this route.
| jasepl wrote: | | Hong Kong's very own Cathay did that for years with HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB. |
I've taken this route on Cathay, in 2001. The service was fair enough, food decent in terms of quantity (the quality was a bit indifferent), and I wanted to experience a B777, see the parallel operations at Don Muang, and Chen Lap Koi, and of course, take a ride on Cathay.
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| Why won't AI reconfigure those 77L and 77Ws already. Add one more seat Y across like EK and the rest and take out F. MAYBE add a premium economy on 4 birds that can be used on EWR-BOM and LHR-BOM |
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| Caliguy wrote: | | Why won't AI reconfigure those 77L and 77Ws already. ......and take out F. |
The 77Ls do not have F. The 77Ws are being reconfigured to remove F - at least that's the plan.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Caliguy wrote: | | Why won't AI reconfigure those 77L and 77Ws already. ......and take out F. |
The 77Ls do not have F. The 77Ws are being reconfigured to remove F - at least that's the plan. |
yes they do, they have 8F seats, the 77Ls.
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| me111993 wrote: | | yes they do, they have 8F seats, the 77Ls. |
I was going by this :
National carrier Air India is planning to remove first-class seats from its international flights to cut losses, making a move that has long been discouraged by government officials who travel on this class, despite its high costs and low occupancies.
Air India currently offers first class in its Boeing 777-300ER aircraft, which it mainly operate on its American routes to Newark, Chicago and routes like Singapore, Jeddah, etc. The airline has 12 of these planes with four first-class seats each.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-02-11/news/47235862_1_air-india-first-class-seats-first-class
Going by the topic of the article, that means either the 77Ls do not fly internationally (which we know they do), or that they do not have F class (which is the {apparently inaccurate} conclusion I arrive at).
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http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/alliance-air-to-charge-for-food/article5810972.ece
Alliance Air to charge for food
March 20
Alliance Air, a 100 per cent subsidiary of Air India, will charge for meals on board from March 22. Water will, however, be provided free of charge to all passengers. The rate for packaged food will vary from ₹40 to ₹100, sources said. The airline operates 24 daily flights, including linking Delhi to Port Blair and Delhi to Bhubaneswar. The idea of charging for food was first introduced on limited number of flights operated by Alliance last year.
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Air India's fleet, as seen earlier this morning at BOM ....
At least two B747-400s seem to be in long term storage.
Another pic below.
At least one B747-400 seems to be active.
Two 777s are parked - one being worked on in the hangar, another outside. One A310 in AI colors is being broken up at BOM, as is the former AI A310 in Aryan Cargo colors.
There is yet another 777 that is in bad shape, parked next to the two 744s in long term storage ....
.... seen from this angle, her engines are missing and it might be a while before she flies anyplace ....
.... she just might be the all elusive VT-ALH.
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| 747-237 wrote: | | Air India's fleet, as seen earlier this morning at BOM .... |
How was your Chhatrapati / Sahar / Santa Cruz encounter?
Did it make you go: | 747-237 wrote: | | ^^ Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh !! |
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| jasepl wrote: | | 747-237 wrote: | | Air India's fleet, as seen earlier this morning at BOM .... |
How was your Chhatrapati / Sahar / Santa Cruz encounter?
Did it make you go: | 747-237 wrote: | | ^^ Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh !! |
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It did ..... like most of Bombay (sorry, I don't refer to my former city by it's current bastardized name) it changes every time I fly in, out, or around it.
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Oh yes, isn't the daily change fun?
And no need to be sorry, I don't either. I refuse to bow to something I had no say over, though I should have had a say.
I tend to refer to a bunch of other places by their old / original / outdated names too, but that's just because that's what I've always called them.
Cue the hilarious foreign rant (but remember every part of the national whore and her life-saving dinars emerged straight out of the Ganges).
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| 747-237 wrote: | Air India's fleet, as seen earlier this morning at BOM ....
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BOM is starting to look like Cotonou, Douala, Lagos, Goma or other African airports, with all those stored/junked airplanes gathering dust there.
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