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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Spice Jet is considering a flight Bangalore to Bidar???

Their drop down menu lists Bidar and the destination shown is Bangalore. No flights loaded yet and Bidar does not even have an IATA code yet although it is an established Airforce station. While part of Karnataka the city is much nearer to Hyderabad (132 Km) and with Bangalore Bidar being 670 Km a flight may make sense provided there is enough direct traffic. There were plans to start civil flights earlier also to Bidar but the HYD airport concession agreement forbids any commercial airport within 150 Km of Hyderabad Airport. So wonder how this issue has been settled if Bdiar is indeed getting commercial flights?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fly abroad from smaller cities more easily

The aviation ministry has granted an additional 15,000 seats-a-week to Indian carriers operating to popular tourist and business destinations in the Gulf and Southeast Asia.

To improve international connectivity, airlines will be connecting these destinations from smaller cities like Lucknow, Chandigarh, Madurai, Mangalore, Trivandrum, Hyderabad and Bagdogra.

“Indian carriers, especially low-cost (LCCs), plan to aggressively pursue regional international operations,” said Kapil Kaul, South Asia CEO of aviation consultancy firm Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (Capa).

Capa Outlook (for 2013-14) had estimated that international operations of LCCs are proving to be more viable than domestic operations especially for loss making LCCs.

As per the ministry’s communication, IndiGo will operate services on the Chandigharh-Dubai and Lucknow-Dubai sectors. Jet Airways has been allowed to operate seven weekly services on the Cochin-Dubai sector.

Low-cost carrier SpiceJet will operate services on the Chandigarh-Dubai, Madurai-Dubai, Mangalore-Riyadh, Mangalore-Dammam, Trivandrum-Dammam, Hyderabad-Dammam, Bangalore-Singapore, Kolkata-Guangzhou, Madurai-Kuala Lumpur and Bagdogra-Kathmandu sectors.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/SectorsAviation/Fly-abroad-from-smaller-cities-more-easily/Article1-1120829.aspx
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another report in ToI has reported Spicejet has granted traffic rights for Madurai - Bangkok.

I can't understand the rationale behind this planning.

Agreed ! Dubai, Singapore, Kuala lampur from Madurai makes sense but I do not think Madurai-Bangkok is a good planning..! Is this planning any connection with their idea of importing ATF from ASEAN nations ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLR-BIDAR is a charter. It is not listed under booking but comes up under flight status since that is taken automatically from their operations system

Also, learnt from reliable sources, BKK might be declared pretty soon, as early as today or tomorrow. They want to capture in on the holiday crowd of Diwali

CCU-BKK-PNQ-BKK-CCU is my bet
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Spicejet News -- Part 4 Reply with quote

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Three aircraft have left the SpiceJet fleet, and ferried to Prague on (temporary) summer-lease to Travel Service.
VT-SGQ "Celery"
VT-SGU "Juniper"
VT-SPW "Cinnamon"


Travel Service have returned 2 738s to Spicejet : VT-SPW and VT-SGQ have been ferried to DEL today.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Spicejet News -- Part 4 Reply with quote

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747-237 wrote:
Three aircraft have left the SpiceJet fleet, and ferried to Prague on (temporary) summer-lease to Travel Service.
VT-SGQ "Celery"
VT-SGU "Juniper"
VT-SPW "Cinnamon"


Travel Service have returned 2 738s to Spicejet : VT-SPW and VT-SGQ have been ferried to DEL today.


VT-SGU has been returned to SpiceJet today.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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AI does not seem to have a direct flight on tht day.


So that means that you are travelling on a Tuesday as Air India's TRV BLR flight does not operate on that day. The aircraft routes MAA BLR TRV MLE and v.v , however due to a Tue NOTAM at BLR, the return on Tue alone routes MLE TRV and directly to MAA byepassing BLR.


Yep.. was indeed travelling on Tuesday.
Until Monday, I had not received any SMS/Email informing me of any change or cancellation and I was able to do a web check in. So far so good.

I reached the airport at around 4 for a 16:55 departure, and was amongst the last set of passengers to check in. The agent informed me the flight was on time.

Boarding commenced at 16:15 via a bus gate and by 16:40 everyone was on board. Load was around 70%. However the doors didnt close even at 17:00 and Captain Sashidharan came on the p/a to announce that there was a technical defect that was fixed and required an engineer to signoff and SG ground staff is trying to locate one. He apologized and informed that the flight wud be delayed by another 15 mins.

The cabin crew came around doing a water round.

The delay however extended well beyond an hour and we finally took off at 18:10, well after the 6E flight. There were coupla irate pax who vented out there anger on the F/As, who on their part were calm and composed (kudos to them) at least in fron of the pax. Although I did overhear a crew using the "C" word to describe the ground staff Smile

While talking to my row mate (middle seat was empty), I came to know that the BLR-DEL sector had been cancelled and all DEL pax had to change flights at BLR (they had two BPs with different seat assignments) and connect to SG 216.

When we landed in BLR, the F/A announced that pax flying onward to DEL to remain on board. There was a lot of confusion as passengers with two BPs didnt know wht to do and the F/A was not clear on that. Not sure what happened later. The a/c was parked at one of the farthest bays beyond the BZ bird.

The a/c was VT-SPP (Rosemary).

P.S. - Interesting point - a recorded welcome message was played in both Malayalam and Kannada after the English n Hindi one by the crew. I havent seen this before in India.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justbala wrote:
Yep.. was indeed travelling on Tuesday.
Hmm...Balagopal trying to avoid a Trip Report by sending in a semi-detailed post Very Happy Jokes apart, thanks for the nice description, it is nice to see some good work by the FAs, and SG in general, with the multi-lingual announcements.
Cheers, Sumantra.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although I did overhear a crew using the "C" word to describe the ground staff Smile

.... the F/A announced that pax flying onward to DEL to remain on board.


Aah.. Makes sense now.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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P.S. - Interesting point - a recorded welcome message was played in both Malayalam and Kannada after the English n Hindi one by the crew. I havent seen this before in India.



I heard this as well on my last COK MLE flight with them some time back. But dont think they have as yet made a Dhivehi recording!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SG has loaded schedules for PNQ-BKK at an unknown date. Bookings have not opened yet.

SG64 PNQ0705 - 1235BKK 73H x6

SG65 BKK1335 - 1615PNQ 73H x6
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although I did overhear a crew using the "C" word to describe the ground staff Smile



Now I've heard it all. Staff abusing each other in front of the pax? How unprofessional is that Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although I did overhear a crew using the "C" word to describe the ground staff Smile



Now I've heard it all. Staff abusing each other in front of the pax? How unprofessional is that Rolling Eyes


Lemme correct tht.... this was a conversation between the crew in the galley. I just happened to be in close proximity Smile
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http://www.firstpost.com/business/spicejet-may-lease-replacement-fleet-to-avoid-stressing-balance-sheet-1117553.html

SpiceJet may lease replacement fleet to avoid stressing balance sheet

Sep 18, 2013

SpiceJet is expected to lease seven Boeing 737 aircraft this fiscal to replace some of its existing fleet, the airline is unlikely to purchase new planes.
SpiceJet has wet-leased four Boeing aircraft between July and October, thereby lessening capacity and this should explain the decline in its market share seen in August.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SG has loaded schedules for PNQ-BKK at an unknown date. Bookings have not opened yet.

SG64 PNQ0705 - 1235BKK 73H x6

SG65 BKK1335 - 1615PNQ 73H x6


Ok. So there will be the rotation,

PNQ BKK PNQ Sumwher PNQ SHJ PNQ

Somewhere can be either AMD or GOI. My bet is GOI
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think they will use GOI or AMD as an intermediate flight between the two international flights. The aircraft by just doing SHJ and BKK will have about 14 hour flight utlisation which is a good enough one. GOI is a risk in the late evening except may be from BOM while AMD is ruled out as they already have their evening departure AMD PNQ at 2120/2250.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont think they will use GOI or AMD as an intermediate flight between the two international flights. The aircraft by just doing SHJ and BKK will have about 14 hour flight utlisation which is a good enough one. GOI is a risk in the late evening except may be from BOM while AMD is ruled out as they already have their evening departure AMD PNQ at 2120/2250.


It is unlikely that they can part the a/c in PNQ for so long.

Only possible flight which is one hour is GOI/AMD/NAG/BOM. With NAG & BOM rules out, its only GOI/AMD that I remain.

I would bet on GOI
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all I doubt if it the same aircraft which will do both SHJ and BKK.

PNQ SHJ is Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat and PNQ iBKK is from an earlier post daily except Sat. So it is unlikely to be the same rotation.


So they can even do an early morning HYD PNQ (0500 Dep) and then PNQ HYD at 1730 and then use for a late evening HYD BLR or HYD MAA. The existing Q400 in the evening HYD PNQ HYD can be routed elsewhere.

Just my 50 paisa worth Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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First of all I doubt if it the same aircraft which will do both SHJ and BKK.

PNQ SHJ is Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat and PNQ iBKK is from an earlier post daily except Sat. So it is unlikely to be the same rotation.


So they can even do an early morning HYD PNQ (0500 Dep) and then PNQ HYD at 1730 and then use for a late evening HYD BLR or HYD MAA. The existing Q400 in the evening HYD PNQ HYD can be routed elsewhere.

Just my 50 paisa worth Smile


Depends a lot on the slot situation in PNQ and what the IAF agrees to release for SG
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SG has loaded schedules for PNQ-BKK at an unknown date. Bookings have not opened yet.

SG64 PNQ0705 - 1235BKK 73H x6

SG65 BKK1335 - 1615PNQ 73H x6


BLR - BKK is also loaded and it is 4x weekly.

SG91 BLR0335 - 0905BKK 13
SG91 BLR0335 - 0915BKK 57

SG92 BKK2010 - 2235BLR 13
SG92 BKK2030 - 2235BLR 57

So what would be the rotation in between?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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abhijith16 wrote:
SG has loaded schedules for PNQ-BKK at an unknown date. Bookings have not opened yet.

SG64 PNQ0705 - 1235BKK 73H x6

SG65 BKK1335 - 1615PNQ 73H x6


BLR - BKK is also loaded and it is 4x weekly.

SG91 BLR0335 - 0905BKK 13
SG91 BLR0335 - 0915BKK 57

SG92 BKK2010 - 2235BLR 13
SG92 BKK2030 - 2235BLR 57

So what would be the rotation in between?


I'm still waiting for the official announcement.

Does anyone have a feeling of seeing BLR-BKK-AMD and v.v soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems booking is opened for BLR - BKK which starts from 27 Oct with an introductory offer of Rs 7999 oneway.
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abhijith16 wrote:

I'm still waiting for the official announcement.

Does anyone have a feeling of seeing BLR-BKK-AMD and v.v soon.


BLR is official now. Their website displays the same.
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SpiceJet to launch Bangalore-Bangkok flights from Oct 27
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SpiceJet, low cost airline, has announced the launch of direct flights between Bangalore and Bangkok, the capital city of Thailand which is also a popular holiday destination in south-east Asia.

Company release said, bookings for this route are now open and commercial flights on Bangalore-Bangkok route will start from October 27.
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SpiceJet starts Pune-Sharjah flight; eyes pact with Air Arabia
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SpiceJet on Friday announced the launch of Pune-Sharjah flight from tomorrow, said it is in talks with Air Arabia for an “interline arrangement”.

In aviation parlance, an “interline arrangement” is a deal under which the same ticket covers different legs of the journey flown by different airlines.

“We are talking to Air Arabia for an interline arrangement (mutual transfer of passengers). The talks, however, are at a very preliminary stage,” SpiceJet Commercial Head V Raja told reporters here.
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Raja said the airline will soon announce a direct flight to Bangkok from the city as well.

While the Pune-Sharjah flights begins tomorrow, Raja said, “the announcement about the Pune-Bangkok flight may come as early as in the next one week.”
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/SectorsAviation/Spicejet-pilots-play-dual-role-in-airline/Article1-1125015.aspx

Spicejet pilots play dual role in airline

September 21, 2013

Spicejet fliers could be travelling in a poorly serviced plane or with a fatigued pilot. The no-frill airline has begun using its Boeing B737 fleet cockpit crew as engineers at smaller airports.

Pilots are faced with additional pressure to maintain a 30-minute turnaround time for the next flight despite the dual role.

“An aircraft maintenance engineer (AME) is supposed to check around 75 items during a stopover of about 20 minutes,” said a retired Boeing commander requesting anonymity. The AME also refuels an aircraft, which takes about 10 minutes.


Senior pilots said it’s “humanly impossible” to perform both roles within 30 minutes because pilots have to perform other duties such a pre-flight briefing, checking trim and load sheets that contain the weight distribution on a plane.

“Shortcuts are bound to be taken, which means many unfit planes could be flying,” said another senior pilot.

The airline introduced the move in April and began training pilots about two months ago. An internal mail dated April 23 accessed by HT stated that the move was meant to avoid flying AMEs to airports without engineering support.

Worse, the airline backed the move by citing a Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) rule applicable during emergencies.

“If a flight gets diverted to a small airfield without engineering support, a certified pilot could perform the basic check but it cannot be a routine policy,” said RK Khanna, deputy director general, DGCA (western region).

On Thursday the Spicejet spokesperson said the airline would respond in a day but didn’t revert till the time of going to press.

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/SectorsAviation/Spicejet-pilots-play-dual-role-in-airline/Article1-1125015.aspx

Spicejet pilots play dual role in airline

September 21, 2013

Spicejet fliers could be travelling in a poorly serviced plane or with a fatigued pilot. The no-frill airline has begun using its Boeing B737 fleet cockpit crew as engineers at smaller airports.

Pilots are faced with additional pressure to maintain a 30-minute turnaround time for the next flight despite the dual role.

“An aircraft maintenance engineer (AME) is supposed to check around 75 items during a stopover of about 20 minutes,” said a retired Boeing commander requesting anonymity. The AME also refuels an aircraft, which takes about 10 minutes.





Wow, so are SG pilots required to have A and C licenses, in addition to their piloting qualifications?

Sounds ridiculous to me.
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basheer1211 wrote:
SpiceJet starts Pune-Sharjah flight; eyes pact with Air Arabia
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SpiceJet on Friday announced the launch of Pune-Sharjah flight from tomorrow, said it is in talks with Air Arabia for an “interline arrangement”.

In aviation parlance, an “interline arrangement” is a deal under which the same ticket covers different legs of the journey flown by different airlines.

“We are talking to Air Arabia for an interline arrangement (mutual transfer of passengers). The talks, however, are at a very preliminary stage,” SpiceJet Commercial Head V Raja told reporters here.
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Raja said the airline will soon announce a direct flight to Bangkok from the city as well.

While the Pune-Sharjah flights begins tomorrow, Raja said, “the announcement about the Pune-Bangkok flight may come as early as in the next one week.”


I had an odd feeling about this happening soon.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/SectorsAviation/Spicejet-pilots-play-dual-role-in-airline/Article1-1125015.aspx

Spicejet pilots play dual role in airline

September 21, 2013

Spicejet fliers could be travelling in a poorly serviced plane or with a fatigued pilot. The no-frill airline has begun using its Boeing B737 fleet cockpit crew as engineers at smaller airports.



I find this hard to believe. Most of the "one flight a day wonders" of Spice Jet are Q400 stations and not B 737 ones. Exceptions I can think of are Aurangabad, Mangalore and Trivandrum. But al lthe same this could have been the reason why "justbala"s TRV BLR flight was delayed as TRV except for the "special onam flights" has only 1 B737 on Fri/Sat/Sun ex TRV to BOM which I think is going to be daily in the winter schedule.

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I think they are talking about the Transit check Qualification. Even 9W pilots are trained for conducting transit checks. It is a useful thing to have in case of bad weather. It opens up new options of alternate airports and you are not limited to the existing line stations of the company. At IX, they had started the training till some people demanded an extra "allowance" for conducting Transit Check. That ended that exercise. At WY all pilots are trained for it and we regularly conduct Transit Checks at Zanzibar.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THank you for your very useful post. I agree it makes a significant difference especially in case of options for alternates.

I think it may also explain "just bala"''s experience of hte delay on TRV BLR B77 flight this week (Refer his post earlier in this thread). To quote him
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Captain Sashidharan came on the p/a to announce that there was a technical defect that was fixed and required an engineer to signoff and SG ground staff is trying to locate one.



TRV normally has only B737 flights on Fri/Sat/Sun and it could be that there was no regular AME available and thus I guess the gound staff had to locate an IX or 9W AME.
That said I dont think SG is doing the "Transit Check Qualificaiton" for their Q400s. MLE is a one flight station for SG and the engineer flies in from COK and goes back on the same flight.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the same as the Spice thing, but plenty of airlines have their staff perform more than one role, depending on the situation.

Some (small) airlines have their pilots double up as baggage handlers. Gujarat Airways' check-in agent, boarding agent and FA were all the same person. Hell, Jet Airways extend that to their aircraft, with the planes playing the role of hoarding and whore at the same time. Smile

At Air India - as the above example indicates - I can see how that just wouldn't work. Because expecting their employees to even do their own job is expecting too much. Even their showing up to work unchauffered is a minor miracle.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iflytb20 wrote:
I think they are talking about the Transit check Qualification. Even 9W pilots are trained for conducting transit checks. It is a useful thing to have in case of bad weather. It opens up new options of alternate airports and you are not limited to the existing line stations of the company. At IX, they had started the training till some people demanded an extra "allowance" for conducting Transit Check. That ended that exercise. At WY all pilots are trained for it and we regularly conduct Transit Checks at Zanzibar.


Transit checks by crew is for weather related diversions to despatch unsnagged Aircraft since the Mx person is not available.The probability of its practical use will be rare.
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But Zanzibar is not a weather related diversion for WY. It is a scheduled operation AFAIK
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http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/spicejet-denies-stake-sale-deal-with-tigerair-21791

SpiceJet denies stake sale deal with Tigerair

September 25, 2013

SpiceJet Ltd has denied it was in talks with Singapore-based low-cost carrier Tigerair for a stake sale, as per a Business Standard report. The airline was reacting to a media report that said Tigerair, with private equity investors, was in talks to pick up 40 per cent in the Indian budget carrier.

“We... wish to categorically state the report suggesting that we are in the process of offloading a substantial equity stake to Tigerair is totally misconceived,” said S L Narayanan, Group Chief Financial Officer, Sun Group, that owns SpiceJet. Tigerair said, “It is not in our practice to comment on market rumours.”

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is "denial" time for Spice

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/uae-s-air-arabia-denies-reports-of-pact-with-spicejet-519462.html#.UkLtu8kY9jo
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SpiceJet to rejig routes

The airline hopes to improve operational efficiency and may shed some of the non-profitable routes.


SpiceJet will lease a few Boeing 737 aircraft from Bank of China. The lease will be for 9-12 years, he said. The airline has a total fleet of 56 aircraft, he said.





http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/eyeing-profits-spicejet-to-rejig-routes/article5168161.ece
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The PNQ BKK flight is available in the system.

Any idea where all they have bilaterals from ?

Will they do a BKK BOM or a BKK DEL in the gap available

they have around 8.5 hours comfortably
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PNQ SHJ rotation

SG 219 which earlier was DEL-PNQ-MAA operated as DEL-PNQ-SHJ on the days it goes to SHJ

PNQ MAA is SG 359 now

On days of SHJ flight, SG 228 BLR-PNQ is advanced by 1:30, and operates as PNQ-MAA

On these 4 days they do not use night parking in PNQ.

Once BKK flights are operational, the current plan would be as below, subject to slots

SHJ-PNQ-BKK-PNQ-GOI-PNQ-SHJ. A/c swap to be with VNS/LKO aircraft, since they more or less come in at the same time in SHJ.

PNQ-GOI-PNQ will be launched subject to slots. IAF is still not releasing slots for domestic during the peak day hours
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like SG wants to bleed even more money than they do now which will happen if they start PNQ GOI PNQ, Smile
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