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HAWK21M
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This is exactly what I was Indicating in my post on the Duration for serving International thread.Running an Airline is not just getting crew & flying them.Mx is a very Important part in an Airline setup.Components are to be replaced when due & checks carried out on time.This takes experience to get organised.
Its not that everyone can just get Aircraft & start an Airline.
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| HAWK21M wrote: | This is exactly what I was Indicating in my post on the Duration for serving International thread.Running an Airline is not just getting crew & flying them.Mx is a very Important part in an Airline setup.Components are to be replaced when due & checks carried out on time.This takes experience to get organised.
Its not that everyone can just get Aircraft & start an Airline.
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Rightly said  But were there not talks (or they were rumors) that S2 was helping Indus with the MX?????? |
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It appears that the CRJ which they have leased from GECAS seems to have some kind of trouble in terms of parts being used on the eqp. Yeah S2 is providing crew to Indus...
So i guess its all over with them nw...
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| HAWK21M wrote: | This is exactly what I was Indicating in my post on the Duration for serving International thread.Running an Airline is not just getting crew & flying them.Mx is a very Important part in an Airline setup.Components are to be replaced when due & checks carried out on time.This takes experience to get organised.
Its not that everyone can just get Aircraft & start an Airline.
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Exactly - but what difference does it make whether it's domestic or intl? Why should only the domestic pax suffer?
And this will not be the case if they already have 20 a/c and 200crores paid up capital, if you read the article it seems like a case of Indus cutting corners and not paying the lessor for the spares.
With the right DNA and financial backing, any airline should be successful in starting operations with a wide body and starting MX as well (look at Oasis HKG or Silverjet or other such brand new intl carriers with wide bodies). After all Boeing and Airbus are keen to sell their wide bodies and will offer packages including maintenance as well (I would imagine). And now with both of these companies talking about setting up MRO centers in India, they will be in a better position to offer MX services if needed. |
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Becoz each time an indian operater flies to international destination it acts as our flag carrier and i guess no country wants to have unreliable flag carriers who wud shut down at the drop of the hat...
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Once again brings into the spotlight, the safety and maintenance facilities of private operators.
Surprising that nothing has been done to investigate this. |
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| karatecatman wrote: | Once again brings into the spotlight, the safety and maintenance facilities of private operators.
Surprising that nothing has been done to investigate this. |
Noithing will be done either....hue and cry now....after a a few months they'll again start with the same old stuff....like Pepsi and Coke...same product, different batch numbers and a clean chit from the ministry....advantages of corruption 
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| VABBy wrote: | | Becoz each time an indian operater flies to international destination it acts as our flag carrier and i guess no country wants to have unreliable flag carriers who wud shut down at the drop of the hat... |
Sorry - once again that is unfair to the domestic passengers. Why are we (as the aviation community) not interested in raising the bar for all passengers? Why are we OK with having domestic passengers suffer, but not the intl passengers? Why are appearances so important (flag carrier and all that stuff)?
Why was there no proper checks and balances done before giving Indus air the operational clearance? What was DGCA doing before giving clearance to the airline? Why did the DGCA wake up only 2 days after clearance was given?
If an airline starting with 747s requires 30 tonnes of 747 spares and 4 "certified Grade D engineers" in place as a minimum requirement (I'm making up these numbers and grades), then let's have that documented, and let's implement those minimum requirements (all the job of the DGCA). Until the airline gets these prereqs lined up, no permission to start operations. And once the airline has these prerequisites, there's no reason it can't do a decent job despite being a startup.
If there's a proper system with checks in place, this type of thing will never occur, whether on domestic or intl.
Take a different example - the state of a lot of our older cars/ buses/ trucks. A lot of the older vehicles don't have basic things like indicators, brake lights etc working, but there's no system of checks in the country for such things. But instead of raising the bar (putting in such checks/systems), some babu will come up with the idea of trying to prevent older vehicles from crossing our borders because of prestige issues.
We loose out on the bigger picture because of our great short term "chalta hai" attitude.
Sorry for the rant here ... |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Why was there no proper checks and balances done before giving Indus air the operational clearance? What was DGCA doing before giving clearance to the airline? Why did the DGCA wake up only 2 days after clearance was given?
If there's a proper system with checks in place, this type of thing will never occur, whether on domestic or intl.
We loose out on the bigger picture because of our great short term "chalta hai" attitude.
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DGCA has a system in place. They cannot check the A/C beforehand i.e. before it lands in India for operation. After the A/C landed, their experts discovered some problems with it and instructed Indus to replace some parts by a certain date. Clearances are of many types; airline clearance to start opeartions and aircraft clearance (its registration, airworthiness etc) are two different things and cannot take place at the same time.
Indus did not pay the lessor, true, not for the parts but for the lease amount itself perhaps after the lessor could not provide them with parts for some reason. So, DGCA came to know of this and asked Indus to stop operations ASAP.
I think in Indus's case, DGCA has acted well enough. |
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The QCM is responsible to the Airline & reporting to DGCA if Indus is under Catergory 145.Most Airlines are starting out with 145 & some converting to it gradually.
Replacement of Components on scheduled basis is vital for continued Airworthiness.
An Airline has to prove its reliability before going in for more sectors & wider Aircraft.Im not pro or against International pax.But an AOG at a foreign soil is expensive & legally complicated.Remember the mid 90s with East west,Skyline & modiluft folding up.VT-ECP was finally scrapped.A good Airworthy Aircraft was AOGd & made junk due legal issues.
Many other stories which is not advisable to write in a public forum.
Its wise to permit a gradual expansion,starting with Domestic.
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I agree with with maut3000 is saying that the systems are in place and DGCA is doing a good job given the contraints. Remember, the number of aircraft movements and pax have doubled within the last 2 years compared to what they were over the last 50 or so years. It was a good thing to ground Indus for safety reasons rather than wait till it is too late if God forbid, anything would have happened to that a/c in flight..
I predict DGCA getting ever better with whatever they are doing in the near future especially after their tieup with FAA. I think they will learn a lot. With more people on board and more systems in place, things will work out well for airline companies and pax as well. |
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Well I saw both VT-IOA and IOB parked at DEL earlier today, and wondered why they were looking so forlorn. Now I know. I guess we are seeing the next phase on show in India's aviation story, with the various reports about Go Air and this one now, about Indus.
Age of aircraft is certainly going to be a factor for me now, when deciding what to fly on. |
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Age of aircraft is certainly going to be a factor for me now, when deciding what to fly on. |
Infact Mx determines Aircraft Safety Not age.Thats where the QC Dept comes in to play with DGCA.
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Thats kind of sad, iwas hoping to fly their CRJs atleast once--anyone knows of CRJ flights from Air Sahara from BOM and to which destination they operate, never been on a regional jet yet.
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| Karan69 wrote: | Thats kind of sad, iwas hoping to fly their CRJs atleast once--anyone knows of CRJ flights from Air Sahara from BOM and to which destination they operate, never been on a regional jet yet.
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I have had enough of CRJs, even if it is seat 8A / 8F (emergency recline with best window for low low tarmac shots . . .) but if you must, then the best would be to drive over from Mumbai to Pune, then take the milk run PNQ-HYD-NAG-DEL flight by Air Sahara, about 4 hours in all, and all daylight too. Low fare, around 3500 all inclusive taxes. You will get three meals and by the end of it the cabin crew will be your best friends. |
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| malQ wrote: | | take the milk run PNQ-HYD-NAG-DEL flight by Air Sahara |
I have been eyeing this flight for long hopefully will be doing this one soon 
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http://www.business-standard.com/compindustry/storypage.php?leftnm=1&subLeft=1&chklogin=N&autono=279764&tab=r
Indus Air stops operations
P R Sanjai / Mumbai April 03, 2007
Indus Air, a regional airline, has suspended operations from last week, just three months after its commercial launch.
At present, there are nine domestic scheduled passenger airlines -- Indian Airlines, Jet Airways, Air Sahara, Air Deccan, Kingfisher Airlines, SpiceJet, Paramount Airways, GoAir and IndiGo apart from Indus Air. |
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Surprise 1st Bubble Burst.
And for the Wrong reasons.
I've heard that Reliance is Recruiting for B767s in 3 months launch.Anyone aware.
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I've heard that Reliance is Recruiting for B767s in 3 months launch.Anyone aware.
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Is it their freghter? When did they order the 767?
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| Indus Air, a regional Indian airline, has suspended operations, just three months after its launch, due to financial difficulties (Business Standard, 03-Apr-07). The carrier operated two Bombardier CRJ 200 aircraft connecting cities such as Amritsar and Chandigarh to Mumbai and Delhi |
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| sri_bom wrote: | | Indus Air, a regional Indian airline, has suspended operations, just three months after its launch, due to financial difficulties (Business Standard, 03-Apr-07). The carrier operated two Bombardier CRJ 200 aircraft connecting cities such as Amritsar and Chandigarh to Mumbai and Delhi |
This airline was floated by the Mohan Meakin Group right  |
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| the_380 wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: |
I've heard that Reliance is Recruiting for B767s in 3 months launch.Anyone aware.
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Is it their freghter? When did they order the 767? |
No order yet that I've heard off.Unless it would be leased.But Freighter conversion takes mion 3 months.
Some folks have got Job offers.Hence the query.
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| the_380 wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: |
I've heard that Reliance is Recruiting for B767s in 3 months launch.Anyone aware.
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Is it their freghter? When did they order the 767? |
Some folks have got Job offers hence the Query.
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