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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: IA-GMG tie-up for Kolkata-Dhaka! |
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http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070228/asp/calcutta/story_7448757.asp
Air tie-up on Dhaka route
A STAFF REPORTER
Indian airlines has temporarily withdrawn its aircraft on the Calcutta-Dhaka route and entered into an arrangement with GMG Airlines.
According to the agreement, passengers buying Indian tickets on the Calcutta-Dhaka sector will fly on a GMG craft.
“We decided on the arrangement due to operational reasons. The move is on a temporary basis,” said an Indian spokesperson.
The airline used to operate two flights a week to Dhaka. Biman Bangladesh operates three daily flights, while GMG has daily flights. On Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, it operates two flights.
Air-India operates three flights from Dhaka to Calcutta, which proceed to London.
“The agreement has come into effect from today. We are expecting 15 per cent passenger growth due to this,” said a GMG spokesperson.
The Dhaka-based carrier started its Calcutta operations in 2004 with an MD Boeing 82 aircraft with a capacity of 150 passengers. Indian used to operate an Airbus 320, with the same capacity.
As part of the agreement, Indian will revive its presence on the Calcutta-Chittagong sector with a GMG aircraft that flies on the route thrice a week.
According to aviation industry insiders, shortage of aircraft and the need to cut costs has prompted the Indian move. (Absolute bulls***)
Jet Airways and Air Sahara are planning to launch Calcutta-Dhaka services soon. |
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himmat01 Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I think, IC has failed to utilize the 6th freedom potential from Bangladesh. It can fill up its SIN, KUL and middle east flights with passengers originating from DAC and transiting through CCU or DEL. _________________ Save Maharashtra! |
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COUGAR Member
Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 986 Location: Bangalore
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Its all about yields. IC might have been finding better yields on other routes of CCU which would require its own metal. As is already known, IC is increasing services out of CCU in a HUGE way and lower yielding routes may be axed or shifted out to other carriers like GMG on a revenue sharing kind of arrangement as in this case.
The 6th freedom can still be exploited since GMG flights can carry an IC code. Pax boarding a GMG flight in Chittagong can still be trasnfer onto IC's flights to the Middle East, SIN, BKK etc _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Its fine to say this if it was all about yields and this was truly a commercial decision.
But to say its because of a shartage of aircraft is absolutely over the top. Unless it can be traced back to the saga of the 12 grounded A320s and their V2500 engines. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Its not about shortage of aircraft: its about deploying available aircraft across the network in a way as to maximise yields.
IC is growing ops out of CCU in a HUGE way and for this more aircraft are required. It does make sense to explore options like the one with GMG which allows IC to redeploy capacity on a higher yielding route yet retaining connectivity to the station through a partner.
Infact if those incompetent nincompoops at Air India had any sense in their empty heads, they would have done something similar. The AI flight coul dhave operate BOM-CCU-LHR and vv and DAC pax could be carried on codeshared flight with GMG. _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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The AI flight coul have operated BOM-CCU-LHR
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After such wonderful flights of the past like BOM-DEL-MAA-SIN and CGK -SIN- DEL-BOM AI finally seems to have got its act right and offer pax more direct routings.
Now you want them to go back to its old ways with a BOM CCU LHR routing when there is no shortage of non stop operations ? |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Right now I think the flight operates BOM-CCU-DAC-LHR!
In any case the BONM-CCU segment is not for LHR bound pax and be a domestic externsion. _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | Right now I think the flight operates BOM-CCU-DAC-LHR!
In any case the BONM-CCU segment is not for LHR bound pax and be a domestic externsion. |
That flight is DEL-DAC-CCU-LHR, and it is 3 separate flights. DEL-DAC which carries only pax bound for DAC; and DAC-CCU, which carries pax to CCU and those connecting to essentially the third flight which is CCU-LHR. These flights make a lot more sense than your proposal. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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The same logic would apply for BOM-DAC-CCU-LHR!
The point is the DAC tag can be elminated with a tieup with GMG. The AI flight could operate BOM-CCU-LHR or DEL-CCU-LHR if you will. Pax from DAC could have flown to CCU on the GMG codeshare! _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Air India will in the current bloodbath which is happening inthe domestic sectors, make lot more money operating DAC DEL and DAC CCU as well as carrying DAC pax to LON than operate BOM CCU or DEL CCU which are the routes you suggest.
Even on the day of departure you can get Indian Airlines tickets at less than 3000 Rs all inclusive for DEL CCU and 3700 on CCU BOM.
With such prices prevailing in the market the routes you suggst for Air India will only result in good money going down the drain. |
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COUGAR Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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With the BOM centric nature of its ops, AI will pretty much be forced to fly a domestic leg: but that is not such a bad thing!
These domestic extensions serve as valuable connectors to other intl flights at BOM or DEL. Pax from AI's flights from NYC/LHR/FRA can disembark at DEL and transfer to the DEL-CCU flight! So AI actually has an advantage if operated domestically.
To bring in the pax from DAC it would be bettter to tag along with a partner like GMG _________________ http://www.cougar-rides.com
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | With the BOM centric nature of its ops, AI will pretty much be forced to fly a domestic leg: but that is not such a bad thing!
These domestic extensions serve as valuable connectors to other intl flights at BOM or DEL. Pax from AI's flights from NYC/LHR/FRA can disembark at DEL and transfer to the DEL-CCU flight! So AI actually has an advantage if operated domestically. |
The BOM Ccntric operations of AI is slowly changing - and will change a lot more rapidly once more new aircraft join the fleet. Rapid liberalisation of the bilateral regime has meant that more and more foreign airlines are flying directly to secondary Indian cities. There is already a drastic reduction in the number of "domestic" legs flown by Air India compared to 10 years back.
AIr India's CCU JFK pax can transfer at LHR just as easily as they can do in BOM or DEL.
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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COUGAR wrote: | With the BOM centric nature of its ops, AI will pretty much be forced to fly a domestic leg: but that is not such a bad thing! |
You think AI employee unions will agree to that? _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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VABBy Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Bt then watz the harm in flyin to Dhaka. U hardly have competetion on this route. Infact i remember when the flight was launched using a T7 with such a fan fare within few weeks a press briefing was given by AI that the
Dhaka was doing extremely well and airline was thinkin of increasing the frequencies... _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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VABBy wrote: | Bt then watz the harm in flyin to Dhaka. U hardly have competetion on this route. Infact i remember when the flight was launched using a T7 with such a fan fare within few weeks a press briefing was given by AI that the
Dhaka was doing extremely well and airline was thinkin of increasing the frequencies... |
Exactly.
And bringing in 777s (or 744s as AI is currently doing) to DAC is competition for BA and EK. For the longest time AI did nothing to tap Bangladeshi passengers headed to the UK (a huge market within itself). Now with the direct 777 services to the UK from DAC, they're providing competition to BA, etc. |
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avbuff Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: | VABBy wrote: | Bt then watz the harm in flyin to Dhaka. U hardly have competetion on this route. Infact i remember when the flight was launched using a T7 with such a fan fare within few weeks a press briefing was given by AI that the
Dhaka was doing extremely well and airline was thinkin of increasing the frequencies... |
Exactly.
And bringing in 777s (or 744s as AI is currently doing) to DAC is competition for BA and EK. For the longest time AI did nothing to tap Bangladeshi passengers headed to the UK (a huge market within itself). Now with the direct 777 services to the UK from DAC, they're providing competition to BA, etc. |
Well Jaysit , Your missing out something , AFAIK AI doesnt fly from DAC - LHR directly they go .. DAC - CCU - LHR.
Of course they do use the same aircraft ... But they have to transit through CCU
Please correct me if iam wrong |
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B772 Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Yes you are correct.Same aircraft continues to London Heathrow but there is a transit involved at Kolkata. Ive had the pleasure of flying First class CCU-LHR-CCU once and the other time Business class and from what i recollect, pax who board at DAC do actually offload at CCU and reboard alond with pax joining from Kolkata.Their luggages are however through checked from DAC to LHR. On both occasions I've used AI on this sector there were about 50 -60 pax who boarded at DAC and the rest of the aircraft was filled up by pax from CCU. From what appeared then was that pax from CCU were very happy with the AI service and almost all flights were going oversold.When i flew AI's First class then there were 4 of us who had paid tickets.The rest were business class upgrades.I took a survey of the flight and could not see a single vacant seat either on the outward or on the inward journeys. The next time when i flew business class on the outward journey, i enquired that there were only 3 pax in First class, business class had 2 empty seats and economy was completely sold out. The return flight from Heathrow was delayed by 3 hours.We left past midnight, but again this flight was oversold. 7 Indian pax volutarily offloaded and were offered upgrades on the morning service to Mumbai, immediate domestic connection to CCU and overnight hotel stay in Heathrow apart from some cash vouchers.
avbuff wrote: | Jaysit wrote: | VABBy wrote: | Bt then watz the harm in flyin to Dhaka. U hardly have competetion on this route. Infact i remember when the flight was launched using a T7 with such a fan fare within few weeks a press briefing was given by AI that the
Dhaka was doing extremely well and airline was thinkin of increasing the frequencies... |
Exactly.
And bringing in 777s (or 744s as AI is currently doing) to DAC is competition for BA and EK. For the longest time AI did nothing to tap Bangladeshi passengers headed to the UK (a huge market within itself). Now with the direct 777 services to the UK from DAC, they're providing competition to BA, etc. |
Well Jaysit , Your missing out something , AFAIK AI doesnt fly from DAC - LHR directly they go .. DAC - CCU - LHR.
Of course they do use the same aircraft ... But they have to transit through CCU
Please correct me if iam wrong |
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PAL@YWG Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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B772,
Many thanks for the insight. Since AI is using 744 on this route (temporarily though) shows that they must be doing well !
Curious to know whether AI offers connection from LHR to Americas on their own metal or interline deals. Tried to buy AC/AI combination from YYZ but connection time was just about an hour at LHR outbound. Didn't work out. |
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