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 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: IA leases B738 from AIX&A330 going to MEL and Guangzhou |
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| Quote: | Indian has leased a brand new Boeing 737-800 aircraft from Air India Express to operate flights on secondary sectors, including Mumbai-Vadodara, the airline Chairman and Managing Director, Dr V. Trivedi, has said.
"The aircraft has been taken on a short-term lease of up to four months. The aircraft has been leased along with the crew," Dr Trivedi told newspersons.
The state-owned carrier has also entered the market to lease not only 10 wide body Airbus A-330 aircraft but also some smaller aircraft to operate on regional routes. "We have already signed up for leasing two Airbus A-330 aircraft that shall be used to operate flights to Guangzhou and Melbourne. If we are able to get more wide-body aircraft then we could look at operating to Johannesburg and other international destinations also," the airline CMD said. |
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/02/06/stories/2007020605501000.htm
Are they looking at more A32x's? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| WTF? Why does IC need additional lift right now? I thought they had enough 320s available (sitting around for MX)? And isn't AI the one short of lift, but yet they're OK to lease out a 738? What am I missing here? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Very wise desicion. My starting their flights to CAN & MEL they can have the first movers advantage. Offcourse they wud have to take upon the biggies like TG, SQ, CX who are very service oriented airline compared to IC which has rajdhani style catering though their USP might be the best authentic indian food in flight..
I am sure the airline wud be able to lure indian travellers who wanna save on time and want direct connections..
Lets see where the flights for MEL, CAN start from
any guesses mates...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Nimish wrote: | | WTF? Why does IC need additional lift right now? I thought they had enough 320s available (sitting around for MX)? And isn't AI the one short of lift, but yet they're OK to lease out a 738? What am I missing here? |
Little input here - pax vote with their cheque books, and a little bird told me that even LCC pax don't like being cooped up in a 737-800 with 189 odd seats for 5-6 hours, so maybe the 737-800 works better on some of the domestic routes? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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The B738 was reqd because Alliances 732's are being shifted out of BOM to gujarat sectors. Not sure if they are being scrapped at this point.
according to Mr.Trivedi in an interview: 20 aircraft to be inducted in next 11 months! Including 10 widebodies! Wow! that is some induction in capacity!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| malQ wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | WTF? Why does IC need additional lift right now? I thought they had enough 320s available (sitting around for MX)? And isn't AI the one short of lift, but yet they're OK to lease out a 738? What am I missing here? |
Little input here - pax vote with their cheque books, and a little bird told me that even LCC pax don't like being cooped up in a 737-800 with 189 odd seats for 5-6 hours, so maybe the 737-800 works better on some of the domestic routes? |
Well, let the Big Bird tell you that Bombay - Vadodra is not 5-6 hours. If you read before you wrte, the 330 is going to be used for the longer routes.
Readers, please read and post accordingly.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| californiabrahmin wrote: | | malQ wrote: | | Nimish wrote: | | WTF? Why does IC need additional lift right now? I thought they had enough 320s available (sitting around for MX)? And isn't AI the one short of lift, but yet they're OK to lease out a 738? What am I missing here? |
Little input here - pax vote with their cheque books, and a little bird told me that even LCC pax don't like being cooped up in a 737-800 with 189 odd seats for 5-6 hours, so maybe the 737-800 works better on some of the domestic routes? |
Well, let the Big Bird tell you that Bombay - Vadodra is not 5-6 hours. If you read before you wrte, the 330 is going to be used for the longer routes.
Readers, please read and post accordingly. |
That's good advice, seeing it is your first post, that readers should please read and post.
a) Point under discussion here are the 737-800s in single class configuration being used for routes into the Gulf and Far East by AIX, some of which have flight durations of 5-6 hours.
b) Yes Sir, we are all aware here that Mumbai - Vadodara by air is a short flight. Said 737-800 now get used on this route, too.
c) Good for the 330 on longer routes, shabash and accept a pat for that info.
Big Bird/Californiabrahmin, welcome to airliners-india.net . . . |
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Where are they gonna put 10 A330s--no doubt it would fit in well into their fleet, but considering 7 year leasing terms --What about the merger with AI.
And even if the merger doe not take place where are they gonna use these 10 330s---CAN/MEL/HKG where ???
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| COUGAR wrote: | The B738 was reqd because Alliances 732's are being shifted out of BOM to gujarat sectors. Not sure if they are being scrapped at this point.
according to Mr.Trivedi in an interview: 20 aircraft to be inducted in next 11 months! Including 10 widebodies! Wow! that is some induction in capacity! |
I heard that the Alliance Air 732s will be converted as frieghters, can anybody shed some more light on this?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I am quoting from the Live Mint business newspaper launched by HT . Since we get it daily. There is a massive article which has been published on IC plans..
It says IC is introducing 6 specialized freighters to carry cargo
Nine turboprop planes to connect smaller towns
And 2 airbus long haul jets to launch flights to CAN & MEL
CAN will go direct from DEL while MEL will be one hop from DEL via SIN and these flights will be launched in October.
It further quotes that 45% of IC revenue is being generated from intl ops.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | IA to lease 2 Airbus aircraft
PR Sanjai / Mumbai February 06, 2007
Indian Airlines is set to acquire two Airbus A330-200 aircraft on lease from French airplane trading company Avequis.
Sources said the lease would be for seven year and the aircraft would be deployed in the India-China or the India-South Afrcia routes. Avequis, an aircraft management and remarketing company, is also engaged in providing technical consultancy services and debt-equity funding sources for its clients.
Indian Airlines is expected to make an announcement in this regard in the Air Show 2007 in Bangalore.
Senior Indian Airlines executives declined to comment on the issue. The details of lease rentals are not known.
Sources said the A330-200 aircraft were likely to join the airline’s fleet by October this year. “The airline is also set to ink a mega deal with Canadian aerospace major Pratt & Whitney for engines for the Airbus family aircraft,” they added. |
Business Standard
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| malQ wrote: | | Little input here - pax vote with their cheque books, and a little bird told me that even LCC pax don't like being cooped up in a 737-800 with 189 odd seats for 5-6 hours, so maybe the 737-800 works better on some of the domestic routes? |
I can understand that LCC pax don't like a 738 for 5-6 hours, but then I don't see IX changing their plans entirely on that account. There was Thulasidas talking of a "massive" 738 order a few days back.
Besides, I'm not sure that the pax are actually complaining - all that's reported in the media is demands from city X, Y and Z for AIX to start non-stops from their city to the Gulf. And joy/delight once the service starts. So is the cribbing real (and sizable)? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| COUGAR wrote: | The B738 was reqd because Alliances 732's are being shifted out of BOM to gujarat sectors. Not sure if they are being scrapped at this point.
according to Mr.Trivedi in an interview: 20 aircraft to be inducted in next 11 months! Including 10 widebodies! Wow! that is some induction in capacity! |
What Gujarat sectors? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| HamiltonAir wrote: |
I heard that the Alliance Air 732s will be converted as frieghters, can anybody shed some more light on this?
Regards, |
It's about time. The last time I flew UDR-BOM about 2 years back it was like sitting in the ST bus.
The only reason I picked IC on this route is because 9W schedule showed an ATR. Boy, was I pissed when I got on the tarmac and saw the 9W, 737 nose-to-nose with the IC/Alliance aircraft. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| VABBy wrote: | Lets see where the flights for MEL, CAN start from
any guesses mates... |
Ummm...im guessing MAA-MEL and either DEL or CCU to China
[quote-"malQ"]and a little bird told me that even LCC pax don't like being cooped up in a 737-800 with 189 odd seats for 5-6 hours, so maybe the 737-800 works better on some of the domestic routes?[/quote]
Yes thats true. Most passengers prefer wide bodies if the flight exceedes 4 hours of flying time. It gives a feeling your in a more 'luxurious' aircraft.
| Karan69 wrote: | Where are they gonna put 10 A330s--no doubt it would fit in well into their fleet, but considering 7 year leasing terms --What about the merger with AI.
And even if the merger doe not take place where are they gonna use these 10 330s---CAN/MEL/HKG where ???
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Forget the merger...to me it now seems like a hypothetical issue... as far as deployment of the 10x A330s is considered, the possible places are MEL/CAN/HKG/JNB/ Canada ( maybe...Toronto) and LHR or LGW (most prolly LGW)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Karan69 wrote: | Where are they gonna put 10 A330s--no doubt it would fit in well into their fleet, but considering 7 year leasing terms --What about the merger with AI.
And even if the merger doe not take place where are they gonna use these 10 330s---CAN/MEL/HKG where ???
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A merger, even if it does happen, will only be a functional merger with the 2 airlines continuing with separate branding etc. In any case there is a lot of opposition to the merger so it might not even happen!
As for 10 A330's: IC can very profitably operate a number of regional services with these birds while the A320's and A321's can be reserved for domestic ops and intl ops from smaller stations. I dont believe LHR/LGW rumors at all! I think the only Long Hauls i can see are BOM/AMD-NBO-JNB, BOM-SIN-MEL/SYD and HYD-CDG.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Even routes like BOM-KHI and DEL-KHI are operated using 747/777 by PIA, and they seem to go full so that's one pair of growth sectors for IC.
Then you certainly have the BKK/SIN/KUL from various points in India.
And finally, enough domestic routes to justify high capacity aircraft. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| malQ wrote: | Even routes like BOM-KHI and DEL-KHI are operated using 747/777 by PIA, and they seem to go full so that's one pair of growth sectors for IC.
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PK carries a lot of UK and US bound passengers on it's BOM/DEL-KHI flights.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| himmat01 wrote: | | malQ wrote: | Even routes like BOM-KHI and DEL-KHI are operated using 747/777 by PIA, and they seem to go full so that's one pair of growth sectors for IC.
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PK carries a lot of UK and US bound passengers on it's BOM/DEL-KHI flights. |
Agreed, and not just UK/US, but PIA also manages to pick up Indian pax to the Arab countries.
But on the flip side, with low frequency of European/Far East country flights into Pakistan, an airline like IC would be able to get enough Pakistani pax for the SIN/KUL/BKK and beyond sectors. Serving booze on board will be the biggest advantage that IC will have over PK!!
Aside - saw a photo of some Indian female troops landing in Liberia on United Nations duty, and in the background it seems that they had been transported there on AirBlue, which to my knowledge is a Pakistani low-cost domestic operator with a couple of A-320s, right? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| malQ wrote: | | [Aside - saw a photo of some Indian female troops landing in Liberia on United Nations duty, and in the background it seems that they had been transported there on AirBlue, which to my knowledge is a Pakistani low-cost domestic operator with a couple of A-320s, right? |
Yes AirBlue has A320s ... but as far as flights to Pakistan are concerned ... wrt IC ... they don't want to start flights to Pakistan neither does AI want ... eventually the govt wants to pressurize IC ... union related opposition
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But on the flip side, with low frequency of European/Far East country flights into Pakistan, an airline like IC would be able to get enough Pakistani pax for the SIN/KUL/BKK and beyond sectors. Serving booze on board will be the biggest advantage that IC will have over PK!! |
For this to happen, GOI should allow Pakistan nationals to transit through Indian airports without a transit visa. Pakistan allows Indian nationals to travel through Pakistan to 3rd countries without a transit visa, India should reciprocate. [/quote]
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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from commercial standpoint, all the Pakistani nationals not willing to fly their own PK use EK as no other airlines flyes there. If GoI were to allow them to transit, then that would be a sizeable load to carriers operating from/to India.
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But does Pakistan allow transit indian travellers???
PS: btw Aseem nice signature....
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: Indian to induct Airbus A330 |
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| Quote: | | Indian is all set to become the first airline in the country to induct the wide-body Airbus A330 aircraft powered by Pratt & Whitney PW4000-100 engines. Two A330 aircraft are scheduled to join Indian's fleet later this year. |
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/02/08/stories/2007020806741100.htm |
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| the_380 wrote: | But does Pakistan allow transit indian travellers???
PS: btw Aseem nice signature.... |
Yes it does and my sis had quite an experience transiting from there. She was put up in 3 star hotel only because she was holding Indian passport and the rest were sent to 5 star.
btw! the third hand of a watch is called second hand because it show time in "seconds". 
Media has an habit of making first out of anything. So, what's the big deal if IC is first indian carrier having A330 with PnW engines.
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