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AKLDELNonstop
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 Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: Camera Query again!!! |
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Hey,
Firstly thanks to all those that had very enthusiastically responded to my prev thread on buying a camera. I am still about to do the same.
I am still debating between Fuji S9600 and the Canon EOS 400D.
I have a question which will largely make the decision for me. i.e. How good are the 18-55mm lenses supplied with the EOS 400D kit? Are they really good or do you have to buy another lens? Also when you say 18-55 mm what is the zoom in terms of "x"...like 2x, 3x etc.
The Fuji on the other hand has a 28-380 mm lens. Lots of maual features. The only thing is that the lens is not removable.
What do you guys feel?
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although I am no expert on Canon...my general take on this would be...
1). kit lens of any make are generally average. don't expect any great stuff from them. The zoom in terms of X is just a ratio and means nothing. In case of 18-55 it would just be 55/18=3X, which does not convey anything. Generally speaking the higher the X ratio, the less sharper is the lens.
2). As for Fuji, you'll have advantage in terms of a long range of 28-380, that is 380/28=13X zoom. It will save you the money, but considering its long range I'd make it a point to read each and every review before I put my money on it. As I said previously, the greater the range the less sharper is the lens.
3). For Fuji, if you cannot change the lens then it is not worth it. I'd go for Canon for this reason alone.
Verdict: go for Canon body with one of their better lenses with IS.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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As a user of Canon EOS 400D, id suggest you go in for the same. But yes you will have to buy additional lens though.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Akl:
If you are specifically looking for alot of aviation photography, go for the Canon or for that matter ANY DSLR. I used to use the Canon pwoershot pro 1 which is cimilar to the Fuji ur talking about and its just not built for fast photography. Though it had a cracker of a lens, it was just too slow in focussing and taking the shot!
Plus, most of these Prosumer cameras (Fuji) are very very soft on the long end of the spectrum. So if u zoom out totally and take a pictures, its most likely to be a little soft.
The 18-55 stock lens is not the best, but its not bad either, the last 7 photos of mine on a.net have been taken with the stock lens. I would recommend that you also contemplate buying the 70-200 F4L which is dirt cheap now, someehing like 500 usd$ in the states. Its the cheapest "L" series you will find and its a extreme lens!
Anyways let me know for more information.
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| deaphen wrote: | Akl:
If you are specifically looking for alot of aviation photography, go for the Canon or for that matter ANY DSLR. I used to use the Canon pwoershot pro 1 which is cimilar to the Fuji ur talking about and its just not built for fast photography. Though it had a cracker of a lens, it was just too slow in focussing and taking the shot!
Plus, most of these Prosumer cameras (Fuji) are very very soft on the long end of the spectrum. So if u zoom out totally and take a pictures, its most likely to be a little soft.
The 18-55 stock lens is not the best, but its not bad either, the last 7 photos of mine on a.net have been taken with the stock lens. I would recommend that you also contemplate buying the 70-200 F4L which is dirt cheap now, someehing like 500 usd$ in the states. Its the cheapest "L" series you will find and its a extreme lens!
Anyways let me know for more information.
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Nitin, You must be lucky to have got a good 18-55mm lens. But most of them are crappy, not sharp at all. I see a big difference when I change my lens, even the EF 50mm1.8 extremely sharp and that is the cheapest canon lens. |
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My query AS well !!
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The way things are shaping up for Indian Photographers (Birenda ji, Prajay Saheb and mighty Vishal Bhai and many others), I would also like to join in this Photo Feast. But But, I don't have a DLSR.... I have a New Nikon S50!
Will this be good enough as the DLSR! Will any of my photos get accepted on Anet or JPnet or MYAviation If I try to????
BTW, all u above truly deserve a place on Anet, for u scramble through huts and filth, up & down the Jari MAri Hill.....all just for the Big Fish....HAts OfF!!!! |
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AKLDELNonstop
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Thanks for the Info Nitin. I will probably settle on either the D40x or the Canon 400D
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| AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Thanks for the Info Nitin. I will probably settle on either the D40x or the Canon 400D |
Canon is a better platform.
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| Birendra wrote: |
Canon is a better platform. |
Why do you say that mate? Like what specifically
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| AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Birendra wrote: |
Canon is a better platform. |
Why do you say that mate? Like what specifically |
In fact when i was planning to buy one, i too was faced with a similar confusion as yours.
Nitin & Karan helped me a great deal in deciding the 400 D.
It was Santosh Fernandes who in fact helped me relate to the product. He gave me several links for studying the product and helped me make a confirmed and informed decision.
Now putting my two cents together i went ahead and bought a 400D or the rebel xti as they call it in the US.
I am happy with my decision.
If you wish, i shall repost all the info, but if u look at the archives, im sure ull find a similar confusion posted by me and suggestions given by all.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| Birendra wrote: | | AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Thanks for the Info Nitin. I will probably settle on either the D40x or the Canon 400D |
Canon is a better platform. |
I feel its more a matter of personal preference between Canon and Nikon. Between the two cameras, you have mentioned, I feel the 400D might be a better choice as the D40X does not have an auto-focus system in the body of the camera, it uses the focus system in the lens. this limits the number of lens available for use (you can use all Nikon mount lenses, but will have to manual focus on them). Also, the cost of most of these lenses are slightly more as compared to the standard lenses. Auto-focus is very useful if you plan to do aviation photography especially of flying/moving aircraft.
I have also switched to DSLR recently, and this was the result of my research into cameras. Had to make the same choice and I went for the 400D (my budget did not stretch upto the D80).
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a slight correction, almost all production Nikon lenses will work on D40x. Those that won't, like 70-300G are crap anyways. Some good ones that won't work would be f/2.8 80-200 and f/4.5 80-400. Had I not been particular about compatibility with my manual SLR, I'd not have waited for D80 and would have gone for D40x. D80 is better anyhow.
If you've decided upon the Zoom lens you are going for, then no harm in D40x. Nikon 70-300 VR could be a good add-on and it will work on D40x.
Verdict: Whichever route you take, it makes good sense to zero in on the Zoom lens you'd be buying sometime down the line.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| rutvij wrote: | Hi Guys,
The way things are shaping up for Indian Photographers (Birenda ji, Prajay Saheb and mighty Vishal Bhai and many others), I would also like to join in this Photo Feast. But But, I don't have a DLSR.... I have a New Nikon S50!
Will this be good enough as the DLSR! Will any of my photos get accepted on Anet or JPnet or MYAviation If I try to???? |
No Bhai's here just everyday folks with a passion for aviation.
As Biren pointed out a DSLR does not guarantee anything, it may give you good photos - better than a point-and-shoot depending on the camera.
What matters the most is the Lighting Conditions, The Angle of the Shot & most importantly the EDIT (if you are looking at having your photos accepted at JetPhotos or A.net)
As a matter of fact, Vishal Jolapara uses a point & shoot, slim, pocket sized camera - Casio Exilim EX-Z750 (all my photos, on MyAviation.net, JetPhotos.net.net & Airliners.net with the exception of 1 or 2 shots have been shot with this camera) now at the time of my purchase (Dec 2005) it was the best in its class (slim digicams) and i never really thought of aviation photography at the time of buying it, it was for a different reason alltogether, turns out as an accident i thought of bringing it with me one day to spot & it just developed from there.
You can check out my camera's review at these websites to give yourself an idea of what i'm talking about.
ZD Net.com Review and dpreview.com review
Your camera isnt much different from mine.
 
So no reason to feel inferior, MyAviation.net has no rejections so anything you upload - as long as it is in any way connected to Aviation will be accepted.
JetPhotos.net has a decent acceptance standard - They pay more attention to the photo then the small nitty-gritties. That does not mean they are sub-standard in any way, just that a Good Photo with a good edit has a fair chance of acceptance.
Airliners.net on the other hand, as member C-GHKR quoted in an earlier topic | C-GHKR wrote: | | Now only difference is between quality of A.net and JP.net, A.net is better but not by much, they would reject any good picture with no problems just to give a feel that the standards are high. Jp is also at times guilty of this. |
has explained it in the best possible way.
Away from your querry, just as i was browsing through dpreview.com, i came across this unnamed - under development camera from Casio, its being touted as being The Worlds Fastest-Shooting Digital Camera.
Now thats something that needs to be checked out, but surprising to see that its only 6mp ?????
Click on the image for the link.
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| AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Birendra wrote: |
Canon is a better platform. |
Why do you say that mate? Like what specifically |
http://photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/ will help to clear some of your doubts.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Acquired the 400D with twin lens kit. Thanks for all the advise
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Acquired the 400D with twin lens kit. Thanks for all the advise |
congrats! well bought
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Another suggestive study at http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/58/digital-cameras-buying-made-simple
Synopsis 
Important Buying Tips
Once you've zeroed in on several cameras, it's very important to actually hold them in your hands. Ergonomics are critical, since the idea of a tiny digicam may seem great in theory. But if the buttons are difficult to find or press, the camera won't be used as much as it should be.
Also make sure you get a complete camera kit, which typically includes the camera body, strap, starter memory card, battery/recharger, USB cable as well as PC drivers and
editing software on a CD ROM. Then it's time to charge the battery and get out there and take photographs.
Buying Check List
Your new digital camera should have these key features:
At least a 6MP imaging device for a D-SLR
At least a 7MP imager for a point-and-shoot
Optical zoom of 3x, not just a digital zoom
The highest quality optics
A large LCD screen; the more pixels, the better the quality
The widest range for aperture (f/stops), shutter speed and ISO
An AF Illuminator or AF Assist mode for best flash shots in dim light
A variety of "scene" modes for more convenient shooting in a variety of situations
Make sure you do your own ergonomic hands-on test
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Birendra wrote: | Another suggestive study at http://shopping.yahoo.com/articles/yshoppingarticles/58/digital-cameras-buying-made-simple
Synopsis
Important Buying Tips
Once you've zeroed in on several cameras, it's very important to actually hold them in your hands. Ergonomics are critical, since the idea of a tiny digicam may seem great in theory. But if the buttons are difficult to find or press, the camera won't be used as much as it should be.
Also make sure you get a complete camera kit, which typically includes the camera body, strap, starter memory card, battery/recharger, USB cable as well as PC drivers and
editing software on a CD ROM. Then it's time to charge the battery and get out there and take photographs.
Buying Check List
Your new digital camera should have these key features:
At least a 6MP imaging device for a D-SLR
At least a 7MP imager for a point-and-shoot
Optical zoom of 3x, not just a digital zoom
The highest quality optics
A large LCD screen; the more pixels, the better the quality
The widest range for aperture (f/stops), shutter speed and ISO
An AF Illuminator or AF Assist mode for best flash shots in dim light
A variety of "scene" modes for more convenient shooting in a variety of situations
Make sure you do your own ergonomic hands-on test |
A 7MP P&S will be more granier than a 5MP P&S.
ie, with the same sensor size, if the MP is increased, the pixel size would be smaller and the light received by each pixel will be lesser, hence noisier(unless the have a noise reduction which will be similar to using photoshop inside, not all details will be retained). |
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