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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:22 pm Post subject: IITs out of bounds for Indians born abroad. |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/IITs-out-of-bounds-for-students-born-abroad/articleshow/45508987.cms
The IIT dreams of these two and thousands across the country have been shattered because they were born abroad, to Indian parents who went overseas for higher education and jobs. They may have been studying in India for years now, but when it comes to applying for higher education in central and state institutions these students find themselves denied of opportunities open to their peers born in India.
Doesn't Smriti Irani have anything better to do?
Why does she not spend her time improving India's numerous, worthless state run universities, instead of messing around with the IIT entrance?
And do children born abroad to Indian parents automatically forfeit their Indian nationality? How ridiculous is this? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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Nimish Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like this is less to do with where they were born, and more with the fact that they are no longer citizens of India. As US (or wherever) citizens, they are probably eligible for admissions in their home country based on their test scores? _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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airindia787 Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 770 Location: DAB & ZTF
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: IITs out of bounds for Indians born abroad. |
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The_Goat wrote: |
And do children born abroad to Indian parents automatically forfeit their Indian nationality? How ridiculous is this? |
I don't know about automatic loss of Indian citizenship, but in the case of those born in the US they automatically get US citizenship, and given that India does not permit dual citizenship most of them would end up losing their Indian citizenship. |
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Nimish Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: IITs out of bounds for Indians born abroad. |
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airindia787 wrote: | The_Goat wrote: |
And do children born abroad to Indian parents automatically forfeit their Indian nationality? How ridiculous is this? |
I don't know about automatic loss of Indian citizenship, but in the case of those born in the US they automatically get US citizenship, and given that India does not permit dual citizenship most of them would end up losing their Indian citizenship. |
When children are born abroad, the parents can choose what citizenship they want - either the host country (US as an example), or choose Indian citizenship. _________________ We miss you Nalini! |
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Only in some countries, like US, where you are entitled to citizenship, just by birth. In many other countries, like UK, one has to be born and lived there for 7 to 10+ years or one of the parents have to be a UK citizen or permanent resident to be eligible for UK citizenship. |
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The_Goat Member
Joined: 03 Mar 2007 Posts: 3260 Location: South of France
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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iah87 wrote: | Only in some countries, like US, where you are entitled to citizenship, just by birth. In many other countries, like UK, one has to be born and lived there for 7 to 10+ years or one of the parents have to be a UK citizen or permanent resident to be eligible for UK citizenship. |
Exactly my point. Not every country gives out automatic citizenship to people who are born in them. UK and EU countries are prime examples, as are almost all of the Gulf states. The latter is home to the largest number of Indians outside of India. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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star*gold Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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The kids in those stories moved back to India a long time back, yet decided to keep their foreign citizenship. They want the privileges associated with those passports, yet want to be considered as equals to their Indian classmates when it comes time for college admissions in India.
What nonsense! |
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stealthpilot Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB
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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Nimish wrote: | As US (or wherever) citizens, they are probably eligible for admissions in their home country based on their test scores? |
True but I don't think that's the point. How can we have 'world class' institutions when we set silly barriers to entry? Or are we supposed to somehow have great universities where everyone shares a single nationality?
star*gold wrote: | They want the privileges associated with those passports, yet want to be considered as equals to their Indian classmates when it comes time for college admissions in India.
What nonsense! |
Really What rubbish.
So you think IITs (or any educational institution) should be restricted solely to Indian passport holders? I suppose you would only want Indian professors as well? _________________ eP007 |
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PlaneLover Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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An enormous amount of money is spent on the IITs. What is wrong with insisting that the benefits go only to Indian citizens? After all it is the Indian government that has spent the money to develop these institutes. The government should have the right to insist who studies there.
Indians who live abroad, and that includes me, should put their kids in schools and colleges in whichever country they have settled. I realize that there will be a certain class of Indians who live abroad for short periods of time and return to India. If they chose a foreign citizenship for their kids there must be a reason for this.
You can't have it both ways - Enjoy the fruits of foreign citizenship when it comes to jobs and other things, and benefits of having your kids study at the renowned IITs.
But citizens of other countries should be allowed to join the faculty of the IITs just to increase the standards and help maintain those standards. May be you can put a limit on their terms at the IITs or force them to acquire Indian citizenship within a finite period if they want to retain their jobs. |
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drpiru Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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As IIT faculty my opinion is as below (similar to uk system)
IITs can take any student depending on their performance in entrance exam but fee should be different for Non Indian passport holders (including oci). IN UK non EU students are charged a fee of more than 3 times that of EU ones.
The benefit is very mutual in this way.. |
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stealthpilot Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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PlaneLover wrote: | An enormous amount of money is spent on the IITs. What is wrong with insisting that the benefits go only to Indian citizens? After all it is the Indian government that has spent the money to develop these institutes.
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What is wrong is .... are we trying to create world class institutions or not? Or do we still believe (and this is a big problem in Indian academics) that a student who gets 92% is better than the chap who got 91%.
A great education especially undergrad/MBA/higher is not only about the books. Having a diverse student body is very important as is a diverse faculty.
If there's a limit/system on how many non-nationals get in that's fine and different fees/loans is also an option (not really fair IMO education should be income/ability to pay specific more than caste/nationality etc)
If the Harvards/Stanfords of the world suddenly said no Indians/foreigners would that be fair? The question you need to ask is- would they remain the best universities if they did The answer if anyone is still thinking = no chance in hell.
PlaneLover wrote: | But citizens of other countries should be allowed to join the faculty of the IITs just to increase the standards and help maintain those standards. May be you can put a limit on their terms at the IITs or force them to acquire Indian citizenship within a finite period if they want to retain their jobs. |
Didn't you just start off by saying you cant have it both ways ..... and your sentence after no foreign students was yes to foreign faculty? _________________ eP007 |
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PlaneLover Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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When you have a nation of a Billion+ people competition is bound to be intense. Somehow the administration has to select a very small percentage of people from the tens ( or should I say hundreds ) of thousands of applicants. I agree with you. I don't think that a student who gets 92% is necessarily better than the chap who gets 91%.
If a parent thinks their son or daughter is good enough to gain admission to the IITs they should not try to get foreign citizenship for him/her. Let the child write the entrance exam like everyone else.
There is a difference between faculty and students. In hiring foreign faculty the main beneficiary is the IIT. In admitting a student the main beneficiary is the student. Policies have to made to suit the main beneficiary in both cases. Therefore it is okay to hire professors with foreign citizenships. |
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d3vski Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity.....what are the fees for IIT and is it true that the IIT students are heavily subsidised by the government?
If correct, then I believe, it should be the other way around....any IIT graduate should be forced to work for 5-7 years in service to the Indian government and Indian people.
As it stands, as soon as they graduate, they jump on the first Lufthansa plane to Frankfurt and onwards to the "States". India cannot churn out thousands of educated elite and they first thing they do is up sticks and never return. |
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