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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | AirAsia India is to commence operations with 2 x A320 sharklets, as VT-ATF and VT-ATB. |
The future VT-ATF for AirAsia India at Toulouse.
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Will VT-ATF be refeerred to as "Gas Guzzler" ? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | AirAsia India is to commence operations with 2 x A320 sharklets, as VT-ATF and VT-ATB. |
The future VT-ATF for AirAsia India at Toulouse.
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Will VT-ATF be refeerred to as "Gas Guzzler" ? |
Maybe Sumantra will call it the "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" plane. _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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sumantra Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | The_Goat wrote: | Will VT-ATF be refeerred to as "Gas Guzzler" ? | Maybe Sumantra will call it the "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" plane. | In the (in)famous Hindi film lingo, `Sumo-gambo khush huA'
Cheers, Sumantra. |
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:44 am Post subject: |
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The frustration and agonising wait does not seem to end for TATA and AirAsia. Domestic Airlines are lobbying up against giving clearance for the airlines to commence its operations. They have written a letter to the PM, requesting him to reconsider the decision of giving AirAsia the license to fly.
http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/domestic-airline-lobby-ups-the-ante-against-airasia/article5764688.ece
Their argument is "<i>According to the FIA, AirAsia, with 49 per cent stake in the airline, would assume effective control, which was against national security. Their interpretation of the rule is that only the existing airlines can give a 49% stake to foreign airlines, not new comers.</i>
Forget the political babus, even the airline companies don't mind practising "Protectionism", when it is essential for their survival.
At the moment the full service carriers: 9W and AI are silent but I won't be surprised when they start to protest the DGCA issuing Air Operators Permit (AOP) to TATA-SIA full service carrier. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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ameya Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:51 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Tatas are lobbying too to delay Tata-Air Asia. The other venture with SIA will be fast because there the effective control is with Tatas and some of the arguments raised here will not be valid here |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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G-BYGB wrote: |
Their argument is "<i>According to the FIA, AirAsia, with 49 per cent stake in the airline, would assume effective control, which was against national security. Their interpretation of the rule is that only the existing airlines can give a 49% stake to foreign airlines, not new comers.</i>
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and a foreign airline acquiring 49% stake in an existing operator is not against national security?????
I wonder what these blockheads drink everyday
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Forget the political babus, even the airline companies don't mind practising "Protectionism", when it is essential for their survival.
At the moment the full service carriers: 9W and AI are silent but I won't be surprised when they start to protest the DGCA issuing Air Operators Permit (AOP) to TATA-SIA full service carrier. |
And they won't say anything when thousands of seats are given away to Gulf carriers. Typical crab in the bottle attitude! _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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ameya wrote: | I wouldn't be surprised if Tatas are lobbying too to delay Tata-Air Asia. The other venture with SIA will be fast because there the effective control is with Tatas and some of the arguments raised here will not be valid here |
That could be a possibility, as TATAs have always given the indication that they wanted to start a full service carrier. Also, they can fill the gap left by the defunct KF. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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AirAsia India set to launch from Chennai
10 March 2014
AirAsia India CEO, Mittu Chandilya says he expects his airline to launch operations out of Chennai in May this year.
He explains in The Hindu Daily, the carrier should get its air operator permit in about three weeks time, and may commence flights in two months time.
http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1357-airasia-india-set-to-launch-from-chennai _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If Air Asia India gets the AOP from DGCA, does that mean none of these LCCs can appeal again in a higher court and cause further delay in its commencement?
It seems like 6E, SG and G8 don't have any confidence in their products and services. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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iah87 Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessarily. In India the only thing drives the passengers to choose an airline is price. For some reason the frequent flyer programs have not caught on like in US. May be because of the benefits of the programs in Jet and AI are not that good or awareness is less.
If Air Asia comes in and cuts the price, then all other LCCs have to respond, which is what they fear. Unless Air Asia distinguishes itself from other LCCs, it will be one more LCC in India battling decreasing yields. I doubt it will be profitable any time soon. |
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:36 am Post subject: |
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The differentiator becomes your cost. I guess for every month of losess , Chandilya and team will take a proportionate pay cut - but honestly that will be miniscule in the overall scheme of things... It will be the salaries of the pilots and engineers which are crucial.
I wonder that their introductory pricing will be??? My guess is they will start with prices as low as 449 All inclusive on routes like MAA IXM or MAA CJB and I will not be surprised if they even absorb the taxes on some tickets and charge ZERO for a few tickets each fligbt to make a big bang. |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Air Asia India is going to take their first delivery. Mittu's yesterday tweet confirmed this.
"Enroute to pickup our newest AllStar & bring her home to India.She is Painted, groomed & ready to lead the revolution."
- Mittu Chandilya (on Twitter)
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Infact, there should not be any problem for 6E, SG and G8. They have been in this sector for eight years. So they also can sell 49% stake to some of the major International carriers. There will be no restrictions imposed against them by the DGCA. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:34 am Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | AirAsia India is to commence operations with 2 x A320 sharklets, as VT-ATF and VT-ATB. |
VT-ATF has been positioned at Ankara Esenboğa Airport, and is scheduled to be delivered to AirAsia India tomorrow (03/13). _________________ 11000 posts (and counting) on Airliners-India.
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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747-237 wrote: | 747-237 wrote: | AirAsia India is to commence operations with 2 x A320 sharklets, as VT-ATF and VT-ATB. |
VT-ATF has been positioned at Ankara Esenboğa Airport, and is scheduled to be delivered to AirAsia India tomorrow (03/13). |
Air Asia India’s first aircraft, registered VT-ATF, has finally departed Toulouse for its final destination Chennai. The ferry flight will however make one stop at Ankara’s (Turkey) Esenboğa International Airport.
The aircraft is expected at Chennai at 09:30hrs IST (UTC+05:30) on 22nd March 2014.
The ferry flight is finally taking place after 9 days, due to issues the airline had with the DGCA that prevented it from ferrying it on the 12th of March 2014.
Read more at:-
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Jeh Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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basheer1211 wrote: | VT-ATF |
Perhaps Air Asia hope the petroleum companies will apply that VS discount-for-a-filmi-name gimmick to their fuel bills? |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:57 am Post subject: |
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So they haven't got the AOC yet, and many people (with clout) don't want them to.
Will ATF then decorate an Indian tarmac for some time to come then? _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
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jasepl Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but that plane looks downright ugly. _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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jasepl wrote: | Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but that plane looks downright ugly. |
The color scheme per se, is quite all right.
But that big flag right beneath the cockpit window does make it look ugly, IMO. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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jasepl Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | jasepl wrote: | Maybe it's just the angle of the photo, but that plane looks downright ugly. |
The color scheme per se, is quite all right.
But that big flag right beneath the cockpit window does make it look ugly, IMO. |
Nah - I think the basic AirAsia livery is less than delightful.
But you're right, the positioning of the flag makes it cross the line into hideousness. It looks like a big messy splotch of eye black (like the sportsmen use). _________________ four years free of jetya punti! |
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sri_bom Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I was in Chennai last week and saw her parked at the apron.
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ssbmat Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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It might be just me, but looks like the coloured portion on Air Asia BHD and Air Asia India look slightly different ?
The original Air Asia red looks more like "Coke can" red, whereas Air Asia India looks more like Strawberry-Icecream colour.. |
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justbala Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Jeh wrote: | basheer1211 wrote: | VT-ATF |
Perhaps Air Asia hope the petroleum companies will apply that VS discount-for-a-filmi-name gimmick to their fuel bills? |
Is this again an example of brown nosing to the boss a la-Air Costa and Air India?!
Am guessing ATF is an ode to Tony Fernandes. |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:38 am Post subject: |
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justbala wrote: | Jeh wrote: | basheer1211 wrote: | VT-ATF |
Perhaps Air Asia hope the petroleum companies will apply that VS discount-for-a-filmi-name gimmick to their fuel bills? |
Is this again an example of brown nosing to the boss a la-Air Costa and Air India?!
Am guessing ATF is an ode to Tony Fernandes. |
It is. Mittu Chandilya tweeted about it. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:42 am Post subject: DGCA set to issue AirAsia operator permit this week |
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DGCA set to issue AirAsia operator permit this week
Quote: | The Directorate General of Civil Aviation is expected to clear AirAsia’s operating permit this week, paving the way for the launch of the budget airline’s India operations.
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A senior DGCA official who did not want to be named said, “Our team is in Chennai to conduct inspections and assess preparedness. If no deficiencies are found we will clear the application.” He added the application could be cleared in the next few days.
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thats a good news. Looking forward to flying in this carrier soon. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Tata-AirAsia deal: HC allows plea to make DGCA party to PIL
Quote: | The Delhi High Court today allowed a plea to implead DGCA as a party to a PIL seeking quashing of approvals being granted by the Centre to operationalise the USD 30 million deal between Tata Sons and Malaysia-based AirAsia.
A bench comprising Chief Justice G Rohini and Justice Pradeep Nandrajog fixed the PIL of BJP leader Subramanian Swamy and the plea of Federation of Indian Airlines (FIA) against the Tata-AirAsia deal for final hearing on May 1. |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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AirAsia India is undergoing their proving flight as of now. The aircraft did a MAA-COK and is now heading out of COK.
In other news, the court order has been deferred till mid-July. _________________ <a><img></a> |
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rutvij Member
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2014 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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FIA? Federation of Indian Airlines?
I thought that industry constituted body had gone dormant ever since the KF debacle. It was conceptualized during the tenure of V. Thulasidas as AI CMD, and probably remained active for a couple of years post its inception from around 2007-08 to 2010 during which it had representation of heads of all airlines back then and fought to reduce State Tax imposed on ATF. Where did it come from now, to act as a party in this case? And if it is, why aren't AI, 9W, G8, 6E heads and CEO/CMDs vocal about it? |
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747-237 Member
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 2:36 am Post subject: |
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http://www.financialexpress.com/news/airasia-ops-likely-to-begin-in-june-dgca-formalities-over/1246203
AirAsia ops likely to begin in June; DGCA formalities over
May 02 2014
After months of delay and litigation, AirAsia (India) is now expected to start commercial operations from June this year, industry sources said. The last leg of regulatory formalities, a “proving flight” with officials of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation onboard the airline's first Airbus A320, was completed on Thursday and an air operator's permit (AOP) is now expected next week. |
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Does this mean, there is no avenue for Dr.Subramaniam Swamy and other groups or individuals to file counter appeal in the court against DGCA for granting flying permission to Air Asia India? _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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basheer1211 Member
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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^^ I dont think so.
Second Airbus A320 for AirAsia India; Tony hints at AOP
Quote: | AirAsia India presently has only one Airbus A320 airplane- An A320-216SL, registered VT-ATF, with line number 6015. A second Airbus A320, MSN 6096, is painted in the AirAsia scheme, bears the Indian flag, but may be registered 9M-AJM. (Malaysian registration).
This is very likely the second Airbus A320 to join the AirAsia India fleet, but the AirAsia group may have opted to temporarily induct it into the Berhad arm in light of the uncertainties and delays associated with obtaining the Air Operator Permit, or AOP, and later transfer it to AirAsia India once the AOP is received.
AirAsia India, however, successfully completed its proving flights on May 02, 2014, and is expected to receive its AOP very soon.
Tweeted Tony, today, “I think huge week for Airasia. I feel that Airasia India will be approved very soon.” (sic).
This contrasts Tony’s low mood almost a month ago, at Hong Kong, where he stated, “I have never experienced this in my life, where the entire aviation industry has tried to block us. We have been sued and taken to court by every person I know”
After the AOP is received, which is expected this week(and latest by May 15th, 2014), the airline will have to get its schedule approved by the DGCA, after which the airline can be officially “launched”, with the sale of tickets. This may happen towards end-May or the first week of June, and operations may commence either late June or early July, or as late as August, based on the airline’s sales campaign strategy.
The airline is expected to start operations with three airplanes. The new A320, if made to join the AirAsia India fleet, may do so in mid-May 2014. |
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abhijith16 Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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It's official
AirAsia India is the newest airline into the Indian skies, having received their AOP at 1815hrs!
Courtesy:- Mittu Chandilya!
Hurrah! And congratulations to AirAsia All Stars! _________________ <a><img></a> |
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The_Goat Member
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Happy to see TATAs finally re-entering into the airline foray. They were responsible for bringing aviation to India in the 60s. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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iah87 Member
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As Air Asia and the other Tata airline enter the market, this may be the beginning of the end for Spice Jet, Air Costa and even GoAir. But the passengers are in for a treat, more price slashing and bargains galore.
The only way Spice can survive is by leveraging its international ops to the max, and hope that GoI does not relax the 5 year waiting rule soon. |
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The_Goat Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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G-BYGB wrote: | Happy to see TATAs finally re-entering into the airline foray. They were responsible for bringing aviation to India in the 60s. |
It was the British who introduced aviation in India, in 1932 to be precise.
Tata Airways also started operating in 1932.
By the 1960s, aviation in India was well developed. _________________ I don't know which is the more pampered bunch : AI's widebodies (the aunties) or Jet's widebodies (the planes).
-Jasepl |
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rutvij Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats to Air Asia!
I will be waiting to see how DGCA and AirAsia would deal with each other, when Air Asia starts introducing its ultra-low prices (its modus operandi, to get first time flyers onboard and also its trademark), both in their "Sale Periods" and even otherwise. SpiceJet already got pulled up for its recent Sale. |
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G-BYGB Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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The_Goat wrote: | G-BYGB wrote: | Happy to see TATAs finally re-entering into the airline foray. They were responsible for bringing aviation to India in the 60s. |
It was the British who introduced aviation in India, in 1932 to be precise.
Tata Airways also started operating in 1932.
By the 1960s, aviation in India was well developed. |
Oops.
I would like to re-phrase it. TATA was the 1st Indian-based private company to have started an airline in India. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos |
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TKMCE Member
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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I know i am hijacking the thread away from Tony's Toys.
Monsieur Goat
Quote: | It was the British who introduced aviation in India, in 1932 to be precise. |
Can you elaborate on this for my understanding???
I find history in general boring but Indian aviation history fascinating!!!
My research gives me this
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1929 30 March: Imperial Airways inaugurated their first through service from Britain to India (Karachi). The route was London (Croydon)-Paris-Basle by Argosy (by air), Basle-Genoa (by train), Genoa-Rome (Ostia)-Naples-Corfu-Athens-Suda Bay (Crete)-Tobruk-Alexandria by Calcttta (by flying boat), Alexandria-Gaza-Rutbah Wells-Baghdad-Basra-Bushire-Lingeh-Jask-Gwadar-Karachi by DH66 Hercules. The planned all-air route could not be operated as Italy would not allow British aircraft to enter Italy from France, and flying over the Alps then was not considered practical. The London-Karachi journey time was seven days and the single fare £130.
By December the service had reached Delhi.
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http://www.britishairways.com/travel/history-1920-1929/public/en_gb
The above is from the British Airways history pages
So what happened in 1932 ??? The servvice extension via KNU, IXD to CCU and onward via Akyab to Rangoon???
But then as per the same BA pages that happened in 1933.
And interestingly even before the Brits started linking India, Karachi Delhi Calcutta was linked by the Dutch on their Amsterdam Batavia regular services way back in September 1929 itself.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=600143
http://www.klm.com/corporate/en/about-klm/history/ |
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