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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Kenya Airways says loses contact with 737 Reply with quote

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1094898&news=Kenya%20Airways%20says%20loses%20contact%20with%20737&pubDate=Sat%2C+5+May+2007+07%3A42%3A06+GMT&keyword=dna_home

NAIROBI: Kenya Airways said on Saturday it had lost contact with a 737 passenger plane on its way to the Kenyan capital Nairobi from Douala in Cameroon.

"The last message from the aircraft was received by the control tower in Douala immediately after take off," Kenya airways said in a statement.

Kenya Airways said it had set up a crisis centre to monitor events.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenya Airways jet crashes in Cameroon

YAOUNDE, Cameroon - A Kenya Airways flight with more than 100 people aboard crashed in southern Cameroon, state radio reported Saturday.

The radio report said the flight, which lost contact with airport controllers soon after taking off around midnight from Douala, Cameroon, crashed near the southern town of Niete.

Reports say it was a 737-800. My friend just came back from India to Nairobi in Kenya Airways and did some domestic flights also, just around 3-4 days back.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070505/ap_on_re_af/kenya_missing_plane
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plane a new 737-800

15 Indians reported to be on board.

Signal from the plane has been picked up.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the ELT signal is picked up.
sad case.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any update on the wreckage and my condolences to the familes of the ppl on board Sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN reports 114 on board, no hope for survivors Sad
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrible news, I hope there are survivors.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stealthpilot wrote:
Terrible news, I hope there are survivors.

Negative,
here's the release:
Jet with 114 aboard crashes in Cameroon

YAOUNDE, Cameroon - A Kenya Airways jet with 114 people on board crashed early Saturday after sending out a distress signal over a remote rainforest in southern Cameroon, officials said. Nearby villagers reported hearing a loud boom.

The jet bound for the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, went down near the town of Lolodorf, about 155 miles south of the coastal city of Douala, where it had taken off after midnight, said Alex Bayeck, a regional communications officer.

There was no word on survivors, said Bayeck, speaking by telephone en route to the crash site. He said search planes were flying over the forested area where the airliner gave off a distress signal, but no wreckage had been spotted.



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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad news Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone from Parle family on board also.



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Boeing is supposed to be issuing a notice to all 737New Generation operators to check the rudder.

Second 737-800 to go. First was in Brazil when a mid-air clip with a business jet sent a brand new 737-800 Winglet down.

Kenya Airways is the second 737 winglet to be affected.

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Air India Express has been sent a notice on detailed checks from Boeing.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

karatecatman wrote:

Boeing is supposed to be issuing a notice to all 737New Generation operators to check the rudder.



Are you saying theres an AD issued on te Rudder.These were Dual pogo rudders recently replaced & the NGs come in built with the Revision.

As per my info.There are no ADs issued till this time of writing.Is it an AD or SB.


http://video.boeing.com:8080/ram/events/TV36078_w_200.ram

http://www.boeing.com/news/feature/737rudder/new-pcu.html


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a list of passengers taken off the KQ website ...

Full list of Passengers on Flight KQ 507




FROM DOUALA

1
BERNARDNYUY KITATAH MR

2
TIFUH MARY MRS

3
TCHOULA DANIEL MR

4
ABBO MOHAMAN MR

5
NGUEGNE EPSE KUATE THERESE MRS

6
NOSOLO SOLOMONDESIRE MR

7
AMBE/JULIUS NEBA MR

8
NOHO GILBERT MR

9
KAZE DAVID MR

10
MANFOUO SAMUEL MR

11
NKENGUE ALBERT MR

12
THEYEM TAKALA D MR

13
YOUMBI JEAN MICHEL MR

14
LEUNJEU VIGELLORE MME

15
EKANDJEMOUSSINGA NELSON MR

16
KOMETA FUAJAH LOUIS MR

17
KENGNE MODEST MR

18
MAFUO EUCHARIA MRS

19
TSIGUIA JEAN LOUIS MR

20
ELVIS NGULEFAC NGOASON MR

21
ENAM ESSOMBO JOSEPH PATRICE MR

22
LIALE TCHOUDENOU ANGELE MRS

23
BOUNGANI PATRICE ME

24
EFFA ENGELBERT MR

25
OMGBA ZUNG MR

26
NANA TCHAPDA MICHELINE MRS

27
FRU ANECORNILIUS MR

28
AICHA HAMANI PIWELE OUSMANOU MRS

29
NOWOKAP ROGER WILLIAM

30
NJAMFA PATRICK MR

31
POLA HERVE MR

32
NGAHESSAMA MARIE VERONIQUE MRS

33
MENGWETUH EPSENGANDOL MRS

34
TEDJOU KENGNE GUY

35
MADHUSAUDAN POOJITHA MS

36
MADHUSUDAN BHAGYA MRS

37
MADHUSUDAN MR

38
KEVIN JOSEPH JUDE MR

39
NIGLI SHIRLY MRS

40
KOCHERRY GEORGE JOSEPH MR

41
MANUEL GRACEY MME

42
MARIA JOSEPH MRS

43
GAUR AMAN MR

44
GIREESAN NALAKATH MR

45
CHAUHAN AMOL MR

46
MITCHELL ANTHONY MR

47
STEWART ADAM MR

48
STEWART SARAH MRS

49
CLAISSE STUART MR

50
WRIGHT GORDON MR

51
GROSSETT MICHAEL MR

52
VANDERWESTHUIZEN CONRAD MR

53
UTTON CAMPBELL MR

54
VANDERWESTHUIZEN CORNELIUS MR

55
BARNARD DANNY MR

56
EBERE UGOEZE EMMANUEL MR

57
UGOCHUKWU JOEL UDEH MR

58
ONUORAH CHUKWUDI JUDE MR

59
AMAECHI/NZEAUGUSTINEMR

60
ABAM/UBIREV

61
ASIEGBU C MR

62
ANGO NAYOUSSA MR

63
IDRISSA OUSMANE MR

64
SAMAILA ABDOULAYE MR

65
AKONO MONSUY/JOSE MANUEL MR

66
BUEPOYO BOSEKA MARIA DEL PILAR MRS

67
DANTHIA ERIC

68
DOFARA DAVID DR

69
FATOUMA ALIIBRAHIM MRS

70
SHAMINE MOUSTAPHASAGOUNF CHD

71
MUPENDA MALOBA

72
BOLA MALANDA THEO

73
WUCHANG GEN MR

74
LIU SHENG MR

75
KANDA GERARD MR

76
SELBY EVEREST MR

77
SHAH MEERA MRS

78
JANUARY CHARLES MR

79
ANDERSSON CLAES MR

80
WEDER HANS MR

81
SYLLA DIABEL MR

82
AGBEVIADE ANNA MS

83
NGONCHEMFONZIE IBRAHIM MR

84
OMGBA MARCEL MARIE

85
OUANDJI PIERRE CHRISTIAN MR

86
RUBY PAUL MS

87
SUNDARARAMAN PRAKASH MR

88
HAROUWA HALIDOU MR





FROM ABIDJAN

89
GNAMIEN AKAJEAN MR

90
SERY CYRIAQ

91
ETIEN KADJO MR

92
KONE ALASSANE MR

93
YAO NGORAN AMENAN MRS

94
SYLLA MARIAM

95
SHI WEISHA MRS

96
JIANG XUE DONG MR

97
BIAN JENG IHONG MR

98
INDEER DEEP

99
DAVID KENNETH JOHN MR

100
DIARRA SIAKA DR

101
ABDELKADER MOHAMED DR

102
KIM HYUNG JUN MR

103
PATERSON DUNCAN MR

104
OSWARD LETICIA MRS

105
HENN ALBERT DR
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/List_of_Indians_on-board_Kenya_airliner/articleshow/2008318.cms

Its interesting that a majority of Indians who boarded from Douala appear to have Malayalee or Tamil names. Does anyone know if Cameroon has a sizeable Malayalee or Tamil population?

Usually, a majority of Indians in West Africa tend to be Gujarati or Sindhi traders and businessmen, so I was surprised to read the names of the Indians on board.

It appears that at least one whole family (Mom, Dad and daughter) were wiped out. Very sad, indeed.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the crows appears to be the business category only. My friend who recently flew KQ also is the son of a businessman who owns some textile factories out there
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaysit wrote:
Its interesting that a majority of Indians who boarded from Douala appear to have Malayalee or Tamil names. Does anyone know if Cameroon has a sizeable Malayalee or Tamil population?


Most are in the academic, healthcare, business line, so says a cousin and a family friend based in Niger and Cameroon in the plantation (cocoa, coffee and vanilla) business.

The connection between Kerala and West Africa is mainly because of the plantation business. A lot of links with the spice trade.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIP.

Any initial information on what exactly happened? Weather? Fuel? Take Off Weight?
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RIP.

Any initial information on what exactly happened? Weather? Fuel? Take Off Weight?

Heavy rains was mentioned, now dunno the exact reason however.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Aircraft during its grandeur Arrow

Just 6 month old a/c

Where it went down Crying or Very sad


A press link Idea
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL0546226620070506

I want to keep hope: No smoke was reported (which would have made the plane easier to find), which means there was no major fire although tanks were quite full, I suppose (just after take-off), which rises chances of some survivals although they still might be trapped inside the wreckage unable to move...
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason no smoke was reported was because heavy rains followed the departure of the plane. Any fire would have been soused out by the tropical storm.

I'm sorry, but a plane doesn't crash into a swamp soon after take-off and offer the possibility of survivors. About 10 years ago, a ValueJet DC-9 crashed into the Florida Everglades (essentially a swamp), and no fire ensued. However, the largest piece of any human remainsf found was no larger than a knee cap.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im still optimistic as there was no fire.There could be survivors.The rescue teams need to zoom on the ELT distress call.Hoefully they can do that fast.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of off topic - but my first reaction on reading the paper headline was "OMG - I can't believe it - 15/130 pax are Indians on a flight within Africa!. We Indians are everywhere". Of course then I read the article in a little more detail and was aghast at the loss of life (may the families find the strength to overcome their loss), but my initial reaction was only about the presence of Indians everywhere!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the latest updates say "No Chances of Survivors"
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Kenya is now not discounting the presence of an explosive device --- fisherman living near the mangrove forest where the plane went down say they heard a huge boom and large disturbance of the water.

Off the record, Kenyan pilots say the ropute was most difficult to fly. Huge storm clouds almost 200 days of the year made life difficult.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There may not be hope.

Plane seems to have gone down nose first and there are Kanishka-like scenes but in very muddy terrain.
Brings back terrible memories.


Air France-KLM, Boeing and NTSB are rushing teams there.
Air France-KLM has a 25% stake in Kenya Airways.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new 738 going down without so much as a mayday call sounds very fishy. (I'm not fuelling rumors, but it took a lot of clearing the air to happen when Silk lost a 737 way back in 97 under similar circumstances).
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Boeing7xx wrote:
A new 738 going down without so much as a mayday call sounds very fishy. (I'm not fuelling rumors, but it took a lot of clearing the air to happen when Silk lost a 737 way back in 97 under similar circumstances).


The circumstances were very different.

The Silkair 733 was in cruise flight at 37,000 feet in perfect weather conditions. What made it so suspicious was that unless an inflight explosion caused the aircraft to disintegrate in the air, the crew would have had time to make a mayday call. For instance, the Alaska Air MD-90 that crashed off the coast of SF several years ago went into a spiral dive from 30,000+ feet, but in the 3 to 4 minutes it took for the plane to hit the water, the crew had time to radio ATC and declare an emergency.

The KQ flight here crashed while in take-off mode, a bare 12 miles from the airport in darkness and in bad weather conditions that were worsening. It couldn't have been more than 10,000 feet when whatever happened made it crash. Clearly the crew were overwhelmed in trying to control the plane, and had no time to declare an emergency. Also, given the aircraft's low altitude when this may have happened, time from mishap to crash could have been very short.

Also, I doubt if the swamps south of Douala had bright lights and markers that could have given the flight crew a visual sense of where they were, had they been in an ascending bank that may have gone terribly wrong. Remember the Air India Emperor Ashoka crash from 1978? The crew was attempting a sharp bank at night over a dark sea that went awry and caused the aircraft to roll over into the sea. It happened so fast, the crew had no time to radio an emergency.
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BBC says:

Last words of the Kenyan commander were: "We are in trouble".

Kenya now wants Canada to analyse the black box that has been found. Kenya says it does not want to get caught in a Boeing versus Airbus war (why Kenya should say this is a mystery) and wants a neutral country to take charge. It has not expressed great confidence in Boeing.

NTSB prelim report says that both the engines were likely to have been extinguished and that the aircraft was in a stall which was why it went down nose first. Pilot could have probably tried returning to Douala.
Why both engines went out is the mystery.

Lightning could have knocked out the electricals. Lightning could have also cuased problems if the aircraft was dumping fuel. But the fuselage doesnot have scorch marks.

Control in the 737-800 winglets is being said as tough. Slight error in banking procedures can cause it to flip over. Surprised to hear this.
(BBC quoted David Learmount, Editor, Flight International, as hinting at this.)


Another report says that there could have been an explosion or the crew was overpowered. Both are not being discounted.


AN ATC controller on condition of anonymity says that Kenyan's pilots generally panic in bad weather and has given instances.
Apparently he implies that Kenyan does not have adequate bad weather training for its pilots.


... akin to monsoon flying in India?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

karatecatman wrote:

NTSB prelim report says that both the engines were likely to have been extinguished and that the aircraft was in a stall which was why it went down nose first. Pilot could have probably tried returning to Douala.
Why both engines went out is the mystery.

A turbine can flame out in very heavy rain. It's possible but obviously not likely . I believe some (if not most airlines) SOPs are to switch to continuous ignition during heavy precitipation.

From what I remember in a jet transport systems class I did a while ago, the 747 (therefore probably other aircrafts) automatically switch to continuous ignition when the flaps are lowered to a certain setting.

[ i am in no way implying that is what happened, i was just saying that it's possible for heavy rain to have such an effect. ]
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Tragedy .... points to pilot error.

Captain of doomed Kenya Airways flight decided to take off into storm while other jets waited

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO51937/

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DOUALA, Cameroon -- Three jetliners sat ready for takeoff at Douala International Airport, their crews waiting for a massive thunderstorm to move away.

Just a few minutes past midnight, all three radioed air traffic control to check the weather report. They were told the storm would take another hour to dissipate, and the Cameroon Airlines and Royal Air Maroc crews opted to wait it out.

But Capt. Francis Mbatia Wamwea of Kenya Airways Flight 507, already delayed for an hour and carrying scores of passengers with onward connections to catch, judged the weather had improved sufficiently to permit departure for Nairobi, Kenya.


Investigators said the nose dive indicated that a violent gust of wind may have flipped the airliner over, throwing it into a fatal fall. Although modern jets can usually fly through storm clouds, storms in Africa are particularly violent at this time of the year, investigators said.

The location of the wreckage also indicates the pilot was banking sharply to the right. This would have exposed the raised left wing to the gust, investigators said.

The low altitude would have made it impossible to recover from the resulting dive.

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The winglet model of the 737 is "susceptible to flipping over", say experts.


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Additional troops are being sent to the crash area after reports of largescale looting from the area.

In the guise of helping out, many are walking away with money, jewellery and cellphones on the bodies, apart from cutting into the luggage and looting things.

US Govt has also issued a health warning to rescue teams because of the condition of the unfortunate passengers bodies.
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Whats the latest official update
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