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lambuhere1 Member
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Kenya Airways jet crashes in Cameroon
YAOUNDE, Cameroon - A Kenya Airways flight with more than 100 people aboard crashed in southern Cameroon, state radio reported Saturday.
The radio report said the flight, which lost contact with airport controllers soon after taking off around midnight from Douala, Cameroon, crashed near the southern town of Niete.
Reports say it was a 737-800. My friend just came back from India to Nairobi in Kenya Airways and did some domestic flights also, just around 3-4 days back.
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Plane a new 737-800
15 Indians reported to be on board.
Signal from the plane has been picked up. |
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HAWK21M Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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If the ELT signal is picked up.
sad case.
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VABBy Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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any update on the wreckage and my condolences to the familes of the ppl on board _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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CNN reports 114 on board, no hope for survivors _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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stealthpilot Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Terrible news, I hope there are survivors. _________________ eP007 |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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stealthpilot wrote: | Terrible news, I hope there are survivors. |
Negative,
here's the release:
Jet with 114 aboard crashes in Cameroon
YAOUNDE, Cameroon - A Kenya Airways jet with 114 people on board crashed early Saturday after sending out a distress signal over a remote rainforest in southern Cameroon, officials said. Nearby villagers reported hearing a loud boom.
The jet bound for the Kenyan capital, Nairobi, went down near the town of Lolodorf, about 155 miles south of the coastal city of Douala, where it had taken off after midnight, said Alex Bayeck, a regional communications officer.
There was no word on survivors, said Bayeck, speaking by telephone en route to the crash site. He said search planes were flying over the forested area where the airliner gave off a distress signal, but no wreckage had been spotted.
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Akshay Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sad news _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Someone from Parle family on board also.
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Boeing is supposed to be issuing a notice to all 737New Generation operators to check the rudder.
Second 737-800 to go. First was in Brazil when a mid-air clip with a business jet sent a brand new 737-800 Winglet down.
Kenya Airways is the second 737 winglet to be affected.
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Air India Express has been sent a notice on detailed checks from Boeing. |
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HAWK21M Member
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BigTom Member
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a list of passengers taken off the KQ website ...
Full list of Passengers on Flight KQ 507
FROM DOUALA
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BERNARDNYUY KITATAH MR
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TIFUH MARY MRS
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TCHOULA DANIEL MR
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ABBO MOHAMAN MR
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NGUEGNE EPSE KUATE THERESE MRS
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NOSOLO SOLOMONDESIRE MR
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AMBE/JULIUS NEBA MR
8
NOHO GILBERT MR
9
KAZE DAVID MR
10
MANFOUO SAMUEL MR
11
NKENGUE ALBERT MR
12
THEYEM TAKALA D MR
13
YOUMBI JEAN MICHEL MR
14
LEUNJEU VIGELLORE MME
15
EKANDJEMOUSSINGA NELSON MR
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KOMETA FUAJAH LOUIS MR
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KENGNE MODEST MR
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MAFUO EUCHARIA MRS
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TSIGUIA JEAN LOUIS MR
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ELVIS NGULEFAC NGOASON MR
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ENAM ESSOMBO JOSEPH PATRICE MR
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LIALE TCHOUDENOU ANGELE MRS
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BOUNGANI PATRICE ME
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EFFA ENGELBERT MR
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OMGBA ZUNG MR
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NANA TCHAPDA MICHELINE MRS
27
FRU ANECORNILIUS MR
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AICHA HAMANI PIWELE OUSMANOU MRS
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NOWOKAP ROGER WILLIAM
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NJAMFA PATRICK MR
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POLA HERVE MR
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NGAHESSAMA MARIE VERONIQUE MRS
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MENGWETUH EPSENGANDOL MRS
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TEDJOU KENGNE GUY
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MADHUSAUDAN POOJITHA MS
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MADHUSUDAN BHAGYA MRS
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MADHUSUDAN MR
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KEVIN JOSEPH JUDE MR
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NIGLI SHIRLY MRS
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KOCHERRY GEORGE JOSEPH MR
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MANUEL GRACEY MME
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MARIA JOSEPH MRS
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GAUR AMAN MR
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GIREESAN NALAKATH MR
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CHAUHAN AMOL MR
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MITCHELL ANTHONY MR
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STEWART ADAM MR
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STEWART SARAH MRS
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CLAISSE STUART MR
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WRIGHT GORDON MR
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GROSSETT MICHAEL MR
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VANDERWESTHUIZEN CONRAD MR
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UTTON CAMPBELL MR
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VANDERWESTHUIZEN CORNELIUS MR
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BARNARD DANNY MR
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EBERE UGOEZE EMMANUEL MR
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UGOCHUKWU JOEL UDEH MR
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ONUORAH CHUKWUDI JUDE MR
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AMAECHI/NZEAUGUSTINEMR
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ABAM/UBIREV
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ASIEGBU C MR
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ANGO NAYOUSSA MR
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IDRISSA OUSMANE MR
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SAMAILA ABDOULAYE MR
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AKONO MONSUY/JOSE MANUEL MR
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BUEPOYO BOSEKA MARIA DEL PILAR MRS
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DANTHIA ERIC
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DOFARA DAVID DR
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FATOUMA ALIIBRAHIM MRS
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SHAMINE MOUSTAPHASAGOUNF CHD
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MUPENDA MALOBA
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BOLA MALANDA THEO
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WUCHANG GEN MR
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LIU SHENG MR
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KANDA GERARD MR
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SELBY EVEREST MR
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SHAH MEERA MRS
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JANUARY CHARLES MR
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ANDERSSON CLAES MR
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WEDER HANS MR
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SYLLA DIABEL MR
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AGBEVIADE ANNA MS
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NGONCHEMFONZIE IBRAHIM MR
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OMGBA MARCEL MARIE
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OUANDJI PIERRE CHRISTIAN MR
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RUBY PAUL MS
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SUNDARARAMAN PRAKASH MR
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HAROUWA HALIDOU MR
FROM ABIDJAN
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GNAMIEN AKAJEAN MR
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SERY CYRIAQ
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ETIEN KADJO MR
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KONE ALASSANE MR
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YAO NGORAN AMENAN MRS
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SYLLA MARIAM
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SHI WEISHA MRS
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JIANG XUE DONG MR
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BIAN JENG IHONG MR
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INDEER DEEP
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DAVID KENNETH JOHN MR
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DIARRA SIAKA DR
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ABDELKADER MOHAMED DR
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KIM HYUNG JUN MR
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PATERSON DUNCAN MR
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OSWARD LETICIA MRS
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/List_of_Indians_on-board_Kenya_airliner/articleshow/2008318.cms
Its interesting that a majority of Indians who boarded from Douala appear to have Malayalee or Tamil names. Does anyone know if Cameroon has a sizeable Malayalee or Tamil population?
Usually, a majority of Indians in West Africa tend to be Gujarati or Sindhi traders and businessmen, so I was surprised to read the names of the Indians on board.
It appears that at least one whole family (Mom, Dad and daughter) were wiped out. Very sad, indeed. |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the crows appears to be the business category only. My friend who recently flew KQ also is the son of a businessman who owns some textile factories out there _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jaysit wrote: | Its interesting that a majority of Indians who boarded from Douala appear to have Malayalee or Tamil names. Does anyone know if Cameroon has a sizeable Malayalee or Tamil population?
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Most are in the academic, healthcare, business line, so says a cousin and a family friend based in Niger and Cameroon in the plantation (cocoa, coffee and vanilla) business.
The connection between Kerala and West Africa is mainly because of the plantation business. A lot of links with the spice trade. |
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Boeing7xx Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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RIP.
Any initial information on what exactly happened? Weather? Fuel? Take Off Weight? |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Boeing7xx wrote: | RIP.
Any initial information on what exactly happened? Weather? Fuel? Take Off Weight? |
Heavy rains was mentioned, now dunno the exact reason however. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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Birendra Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: |
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The Aircraft during its grandeur
Just 6 month old a/c
Where it went down
A press link
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL0546226620070506
I want to keep hope: No smoke was reported (which would have made the plane easier to find), which means there was no major fire although tanks were quite full, I suppose (just after take-off), which rises chances of some survivals although they still might be trapped inside the wreckage unable to move... |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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The reason no smoke was reported was because heavy rains followed the departure of the plane. Any fire would have been soused out by the tropical storm.
I'm sorry, but a plane doesn't crash into a swamp soon after take-off and offer the possibility of survivors. About 10 years ago, a ValueJet DC-9 crashed into the Florida Everglades (essentially a swamp), and no fire ensued. However, the largest piece of any human remainsf found was no larger than a knee cap. |
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Im still optimistic as there was no fire.There could be survivors.The rescue teams need to zoom on the ELT distress call.Hoefully they can do that fast.
regds
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Kind of off topic - but my first reaction on reading the paper headline was "OMG - I can't believe it - 15/130 pax are Indians on a flight within Africa!. We Indians are everywhere". Of course then I read the article in a little more detail and was aghast at the loss of life (may the families find the strength to overcome their loss), but my initial reaction was only about the presence of Indians everywhere! |
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the_380 Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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All the latest updates say "No Chances of Survivors" _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Kenya is now not discounting the presence of an explosive device --- fisherman living near the mangrove forest where the plane went down say they heard a huge boom and large disturbance of the water.
Off the record, Kenyan pilots say the ropute was most difficult to fly. Huge storm clouds almost 200 days of the year made life difficult. |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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There may not be hope.
Plane seems to have gone down nose first and there are Kanishka-like scenes but in very muddy terrain.
Brings back terrible memories.
Air France-KLM, Boeing and NTSB are rushing teams there.
Air France-KLM has a 25% stake in Kenya Airways. |
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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A new 738 going down without so much as a mayday call sounds very fishy. (I'm not fuelling rumors, but it took a lot of clearing the air to happen when Silk lost a 737 way back in 97 under similar circumstances). |
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Jaysit Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Boeing7xx wrote: | A new 738 going down without so much as a mayday call sounds very fishy. (I'm not fuelling rumors, but it took a lot of clearing the air to happen when Silk lost a 737 way back in 97 under similar circumstances). |
The circumstances were very different.
The Silkair 733 was in cruise flight at 37,000 feet in perfect weather conditions. What made it so suspicious was that unless an inflight explosion caused the aircraft to disintegrate in the air, the crew would have had time to make a mayday call. For instance, the Alaska Air MD-90 that crashed off the coast of SF several years ago went into a spiral dive from 30,000+ feet, but in the 3 to 4 minutes it took for the plane to hit the water, the crew had time to radio ATC and declare an emergency.
The KQ flight here crashed while in take-off mode, a bare 12 miles from the airport in darkness and in bad weather conditions that were worsening. It couldn't have been more than 10,000 feet when whatever happened made it crash. Clearly the crew were overwhelmed in trying to control the plane, and had no time to declare an emergency. Also, given the aircraft's low altitude when this may have happened, time from mishap to crash could have been very short.
Also, I doubt if the swamps south of Douala had bright lights and markers that could have given the flight crew a visual sense of where they were, had they been in an ascending bank that may have gone terribly wrong. Remember the Air India Emperor Ashoka crash from 1978? The crew was attempting a sharp bank at night over a dark sea that went awry and caused the aircraft to roll over into the sea. It happened so fast, the crew had no time to radio an emergency. |
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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BBC says:
Last words of the Kenyan commander were: "We are in trouble".
Kenya now wants Canada to analyse the black box that has been found. Kenya says it does not want to get caught in a Boeing versus Airbus war (why Kenya should say this is a mystery) and wants a neutral country to take charge. It has not expressed great confidence in Boeing.
NTSB prelim report says that both the engines were likely to have been extinguished and that the aircraft was in a stall which was why it went down nose first. Pilot could have probably tried returning to Douala.
Why both engines went out is the mystery.
Lightning could have knocked out the electricals. Lightning could have also cuased problems if the aircraft was dumping fuel. But the fuselage doesnot have scorch marks.
Control in the 737-800 winglets is being said as tough. Slight error in banking procedures can cause it to flip over. Surprised to hear this.
(BBC quoted David Learmount, Editor, Flight International, as hinting at this.)
Another report says that there could have been an explosion or the crew was overpowered. Both are not being discounted.
AN ATC controller on condition of anonymity says that Kenyan's pilots generally panic in bad weather and has given instances.
Apparently he implies that Kenyan does not have adequate bad weather training for its pilots.
... akin to monsoon flying in India? |
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stealthpilot Member
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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karatecatman wrote: |
NTSB prelim report says that both the engines were likely to have been extinguished and that the aircraft was in a stall which was why it went down nose first. Pilot could have probably tried returning to Douala.
Why both engines went out is the mystery.
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A turbine can flame out in very heavy rain. It's possible but obviously not likely . I believe some (if not most airlines) SOPs are to switch to continuous ignition during heavy precitipation.
From what I remember in a jet transport systems class I did a while ago, the 747 (therefore probably other aircrafts) automatically switch to continuous ignition when the flaps are lowered to a certain setting.
[ i am in no way implying that is what happened, i was just saying that it's possible for heavy rain to have such an effect. ] _________________ eP007 |
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karatecatman Guest
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Tragedy .... points to pilot error.
Captain of doomed Kenya Airways flight decided to take off into storm while other jets waited
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO51937/
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DOUALA, Cameroon -- Three jetliners sat ready for takeoff at Douala International Airport, their crews waiting for a massive thunderstorm to move away.
Just a few minutes past midnight, all three radioed air traffic control to check the weather report. They were told the storm would take another hour to dissipate, and the Cameroon Airlines and Royal Air Maroc crews opted to wait it out.
But Capt. Francis Mbatia Wamwea of Kenya Airways Flight 507, already delayed for an hour and carrying scores of passengers with onward connections to catch, judged the weather had improved sufficiently to permit departure for Nairobi, Kenya.
Investigators said the nose dive indicated that a violent gust of wind may have flipped the airliner over, throwing it into a fatal fall. Although modern jets can usually fly through storm clouds, storms in Africa are particularly violent at this time of the year, investigators said.
The location of the wreckage also indicates the pilot was banking sharply to the right. This would have exposed the raised left wing to the gust, investigators said.
The low altitude would have made it impossible to recover from the resulting dive.
(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed
The winglet model of the 737 is "susceptible to flipping over", say experts.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Additional troops are being sent to the crash area after reports of largescale looting from the area.
In the guise of helping out, many are walking away with money, jewellery and cellphones on the bodies, apart from cutting into the luggage and looting things.
US Govt has also issued a health warning to rescue teams because of the condition of the unfortunate passengers bodies. |
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HAWK21M Member
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Whats the latest official update
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