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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:25 pm    Post subject: Telangana - Newest State in India Reply with quote

http://www.samachar.com/Telangana-122-days-for-the-birth-of-a-new-state-nh4uKPbciae.html

Thats what India needs now, more states more capitols and more money spent on government buildings. Now you will have more states wanting to split - Vidarbha from Maharashtra, Saurashtra, Gorkha land (already they were agitating for years).

I doubt Hyderabad will benefit much in the long run. Most of new investment from Coastal Andhra will now go elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woohoo - I bet the Congress is hopefully this will get them a bunch of seats in next year's LS elections. And that's the only reason for them announcing this.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a dog in this fight, but let's be fair - Andhra Pradesh is a huge state with as many as 84 million people - that's as much as the population of Germany with a quarter of the natural resources. Splitting it up into two or more chunks makes sense, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

We've seen smaller states grow faster than their mother states. Think I read a stat earlier today stating that flood-hit Uttarakhand in the period 2004-2012 grew at an average of 12-odd percent, whilst UP from which it was carved on only managed half that figure at 6-point something percent. So the data is there, smaller states are the way to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iah87 wrote:

I doubt Hyderabad will benefit much in the long run. Most of new investment from Coastal Andhra will now go elsewhere.


I don't see why. It is not like Telangana is becoming a separate country. Aren't Coastal Andhra businessmen investing in other states?

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I don't have a dog in this fight, but let's be fair - Andhra Pradesh is a huge state with as many as 84 million people - that's as much as the population of Germany with a quarter of the natural resources. Splitting it up into two or more chunks makes sense, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

We've seen smaller states grow faster than their mother states. Think I read a stat earlier today stating that flood-hit Uttarakhand in the period 2004-2012 grew at an average of 12-odd percent, whilst UP from which it was carved on only managed half that figure at 6-point something percent. So the data is there, smaller states are the way to go.


Absolutely! Smaller states are the way to go.

Telangana ought to have been created in 1950 itself. Merging it with Andhra Pradesh was the mistake made by Nehru's myopic States Reorganisation Commission, for whom anything below the Vindhyas was effectively not a part of India. They forced the Telangana people together with the Andhras, not knowing that the two were poles apart culturally and couldn't stand each other .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Nagpur/After-Telangana-now-demand-for-Vidarbha-gains-momentum/Article1-1100583.aspx

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Telangana-cleared-now-deal-with-Gorkhaland-and-Bodoland/Article1-1100834.aspx



If AP is a large state, then Maharashtra, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu all should be split up too. Especially Maharashtra is next. Even present UP is still big and can be split up into two.

In the 1950's it was split along linguistic lines and that was the best solution. Do you think Gujarathis were happy under the erstwhile Bombay state or Mysore under Madras state. Telugu is the same whether it is in Telangana or Andhra, and people understand each other and got along quite well. I know that because I grew up in Hyderabad. Every one got along well with each other until KCR came along. In fact many districts in Telangana have grown more than many districts in Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The demand for smaller states within the existing states is the direct result of the fallout of poor development planning, on the part of previous governments (both centre and state). In AP, the demand for Telangana state has been there since Independence.

Since independence, all of our states economic growth has centred around one city only. If there was equal attention given to all parts of the state than we would have had multiple economic centres all over the state. Then you might have not seen the disappointment of people from certain parts of the state.

For instance, in Maharashtra, the focus of economic development should have been focused to other cities as well rather than confined to only Mumbai. Similarly, even in Karnataka, where I'm from, here also the development should be focused on Northern Karnataka, Mysore and others rather than only in Bangalore.

In the end, this is only going to make the Indian economy even more stronger rather than have states only on the basis of language they speak. It is shifting more towards economic development.

I know it is a different situation in the US, but look at the states like California, Texas, Ohio and others, they have many cities which are economically self-dependant instead of relying on their state capitals alone.

As far as the next Indian state goes, I feel UP needs to be divided into smaller parts immediately. People have suffered enough of the miss-rule by SP, Congress and BSP for these many years.

One important point, if there is equal attention to every part of the region, then there won't be over-population in a particular city.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since independence, all of our states economic growth has centred around one city only. If there was equal attention given to all parts of the state than we would have had multiple economic centres all over the state. Then you might have not seen the disappointment of people from certain parts of the state.

For instance, in Maharashtra, the focus of economic development should have been focused to other cities as well rather than confined to only Mumbai. Similarly, even in Karnataka, where I'm from, here also the development should be focused on Northern Karnataka, Mysore and others rather than only in Bangalore.


This.

TN and Kerala seem to be ahead in this regard.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iah87 wrote:

If AP is a large state, then Maharashtra, Rajasthan, Tamil Nadu all should be split up too. Especially Maharashtra is next. Even present UP is still big and can be split up into two.

If there are regions in Maharasthra, Tamil Nadu or UP where a large number of people feel that they will be better off by splitting away, that is exactly what should happen.
In a democracy, people's will is paramount, not economic considerations of their actions. Sad but true.

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Telugu is the same whether it is in Telangana or Andhra, and people understand each other and got along quite well. I know that because I grew up in Hyderabad. Every one got along well with each other until KCR came along. In fact many districts in Telangana have grown more than many districts in Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra.


The demand for Telangana has been there right from independence and the SRC actually recommended that Telangana be made a separate state (sorry, I take back what I said about them). The differences in culture, economic status and almost everything else was too great to be bridged by just the common language, and Telangana also has a very large number of Urdu speakers. But thanks to Nehru, the SRC's recommendations were thrashed and Telangana was merged into AP and a Gentlemen's Agreement was signed which assured the protection of Telangana's rights. Now, given how 'Gentlemanly' out leaders are known to be, no points for guessing how well that agreement was adhered to.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telangana_movement#History

And there was a huge, rather violent Telangana agitation in the 1960s. Much before KCR came into being.

As a non Telugu who grew up in Hyderabad surrounded by numerous telugus, I beg to disagree with your notion that everything was well between the two groups. There have always been undercurrents of resentment against the better educated and ambitious Andhras (who probably outnumber Telangana Telugus in Hyderabad now), by the simpler Telangana folk , most of whom are migrants from the poorer Northern Telangana Districts. You have to give it to both sides that there weren't any serious clashes between them, but they never saw eye to eye on most issues.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiderguy252 wrote:


This.

TN and Kerala seem to be ahead in this regard.


Yes. These two states are exceptions. That is why I feel these 2 states will never be separated.

In Kerala, we have Trivandrum, Kochi, Calicut which are 3 important cities located in different geography of the region.

Similarly, in Tamil Nadu, we have many cities like Coimbatore, Tiruchi, Madurai, Pondicherry and others that are progressing well in all aspects and the people of that state are not dependant on Chennai alone.

States like Maharashtra, West Bengal, Karnataka and UP can learn a lot from these 2 states. If they can change the economic and social scenario for all parts of its region, then who knows, these states may still remain as what they are at present.

But this looks highly unlikely. The leaders of these states seem to be ignorant of their people's plight and are only concerned about their political future and corruption.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But thanks to Nehru, the SRC's recommendations were thrashed and Telangana was merged into AP and a Gentlemen's Agreement was signed which assured the protection of Telangana's rights. Now, given how 'Gentlemanly' out leaders are known to be, no points for guessing how well that agreement was adhered to.


I am not aware of any of the Telangana persons rights being trampled by any one in the state. The people from other regions took advantage of the opportunities available to them in Hyderabad as the same was also available to Telangana residents. There was a jobs reservation for Telangana districts (and similarly in Coastal Andhra), 85% was reserved for Telangana residents (except Hyderabad) and this was fully implemented. In Hyderabad it was more competitive and being the state capital it naturally attracted residents from all over the state. They never displaced many Telangana resident for a job (there are always exceptions).

Yes there were agitations in the past, late 60's, but for a good 25 year period there was peace, no one raised the Telangana question, since things were going pretty good for the residents of Telangana. KCR was denied a plum ministership berth under the Telugu Desam Party and also under Congress (after he aligned himself with Congress) and this was the root cause of the agitation.
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