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 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:57 pm Post subject: India loses ODI series to Pakistan |
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OK, let us get optimistic here. When you are at the bottom of the barrel the only way to go is upwards.
Other than that I can only say Congratulations Pakistan! You deserve the victory, and thanks for bringing our 'champions' down to earth. We know they won't learn from it, but hope springs eternal.
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In spite of all my analysis, I never saw this coming.
Pakistan!?
I suppose we're going to go ahead and cede the upcoming England ODIs as well. Yes, the same England team who came over and have been thrashed 5-0 (2011), 5-0 (2008) and 6-1 (2006).
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I hope all the sponsors terminate the product endorsement deals for these big-headed "champions"
Let them struggle for some time like the athletes representing other sports. Only then will they realize the honour and importance of representing India in an international event!
With BCCI's clout and political connections, I doubt this will ever happen!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Spiderguy252 wrote: | In spite of all my analysis, I never saw this coming.
Pakistan!?
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Why, it is hardly surprising.!
Pakistan's bowling attack has always been better than ours. Their only problem was that their batsmen, though talented, weren't scoring runs. Now they clicked, and the result was a foregone conclusion.
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Some consalation for the Men in Blue finally. An unbelievable win at Feroz Shah Kotla, considering India scored only 167 runs and we were bowled out before 50 overs. 
The credit goes to our bowlers today. Our woeful batting continues. I guess it is a period of transition. Lots of talents need to be tested now.
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| I may be wrong, but the way Pakistan batted, specially in the last, It seems that the match was fixed. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| shivendrashukla wrote: | | I may be wrong, but the way Pakistan batted, specially in the last, It seems that the match was fixed. |
Yup. That could be a possible.
Misbah quoted in the post match press conference, "Due to cold weather in Delhi, it was difficult for our batsmen to play".
Well it may fool the general public but I bet the intellectulas will not go by his word. Considering their history.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| The_Goat wrote: | | Why, it is hardly surprising.! |
Because this is the same Pakistan who were whitewashed by England 4-0 in early 2012, and they followed it up with defeats to Lanka in Lanka and Australia in the UAE.
Our one-day form at home on the other hand has been 5-0 vs England, and 4-1 vs the West Indies. New Zealand didn't play any 50-over affairs during their bilateral, and these were the last three who've been visiting. England are current world #1s in the format, and the Windies have pocketed the WT20 recently, so we haven't really been beating up on weak opposition. Regardless, we've been invincible at home.
And it's been acknowledged that Pakistani players have been having a mental block and an overall inferiority complex against us over the past decade, as reflected in losses in crunch World Cup games, the WT20s, Asia cups, and whatnot. You have to go back many years before this bleak period - possibly to the 1990s when Pakistan were dominating us for a consistent period of time; it's been more or less one-way traffic since that Tendulkar buzzsaw in the 2003 World Cup.
Yet we're losing to them now, and nearly getting whitewashed in the process. Unbelievable.
Hehe, no there was no match or spot-fixing going on. Don't fall for that, it's the cloak most Pakistani fans hide under after a loss.
I bet they're thrilled that their team didn't lose the game, but fixed it.
As for Nixon, this isn't the first time he's run his mouth over any fixing shenanigans. My motto with this kind of stuff is if he doesn't have any proof of wrongdoing by either side, he should just STFU. Sarfraz Nawaz falls under that category too, all mediocre cricketers in their time who need some attention now that they're inside the confines of a studio.
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The quality/form has dropped.....
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not surprised.
The Indian team looks fat, paunchy, and out of shape.
I'm sure if you asked any of those guys to run 5 miles, they'd pass out at 100 yards. |
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| Jaysit wrote: | | I'm sure if you asked any of those guys to run 5 miles, they'd pass out at 100 yards. |
The Pakistanis are no better. Being slow, heavy and largely un-athletic is an overall sub-continental phenomenon.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The Pakistanis are no better. Being slow, heavy and largely un-athletic is an overall sub-continental phenomenon.
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A phenomenon which still enabled all of them together to win about half a dozen 50 over World cups and a few T -20 ones as well |
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| TKMCE wrote: | | A phenomenon which still enabled all of them together to win about half a dozen 50 over World cups and a few T -20 ones as well |
1983 (India), 1992 (Pakistan), 1996 (Lanka) and 2011 (India) constitute four 50-over wins, and not six if you meant that literally.
T20 is garbage. I don't care about that format and who wins its sporadic tournaments. Tests are the real deal, followed by the ODIs and in third place is daylight. Then the aforementioned 20-over thing.
As for the fitness equations in the individual tournament wins, all three of the sub-continental sides were fit to a reasonable standard in each of their trophy wins - but I was alluding to their overall demeanour towards conditioning and athleticism, where they perennially lag behind their Antipodean counterparts, one of which has won as many 50-over trophies as these three nations put together. Food for thought there, pun intended.
On another note, good job on the 2-1 climb up against England this evening. Meaningless game and will be forgotten a year from now, but well done.
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Wth regard to the Indian cricket team which won the World Cup at Lords , those who were actually following cricket in 1983 would also remember that shortly after. in 1985 India won the B & H World Championship of Cricket in Australia with a certain RJ Shastri winning the Man of the Tournament award and also an Audi 100 Car. The Indian teams victory celebrations around the ground in that car was something people who have watched that match in TV then will not forget in a hurry. In between India won the Asia cup in Sharjah too in 1986.
As for T 20, you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. However, my view is that we have to move on with the times. T 20 is the current game changer; just like 35 years ago when a gentleman named Mr Kerry Packer decided to rebel against the circket establishment and start his own cricket league "World Series Cricket". That changed the cricketing scene for ever. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| TKMCE wrote: | | As for T 20, you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. However, my view is that we have to move on with the times. T 20 is the current game changer; just like 35 years ago when a gentleman named Mr Kerry Packer decided to rebel against the circket establishment and start his own cricket league "World Series Cricket". That changed the cricketing scene for ever. |
Twenty20 is good enough for domestic franchises, as we've seen with the IPL, the Big Bash, the BPL, SLPL, the HRV Cup, the Windies T20 and whatnot. My - and it is echoed by most other cricket fan - plea is to just keep it out of the international calendar.
Sure, have the World T20 every couple of years. Random one-off games in bilaterals, on the other hand are meaningless and provide no context to the international rivalries we've grown up with (Australia - England, India - Australia, and the like).
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Some interesting things we can look forward to.
- Bhuvaneswar Kumar and Shami Ahmed seem to be the bright future of India's bowling attack. If they can stay fit, committed and keep their heads between their shoulders in spite of the massive IPL contracts which will no doubt come along, they can serve India well. Along with Praveen Kumar (once he recovers), they can be quite a handful.
Maybe too many 'ifs' but let's hope for the best.
-It is time Ishant Sharma got dropped and sent off to the Ranji for some time. He seems to be sliding downwards quite fast.
-Ravindra Jadeja finally seems to have learned the meaning of the word 'accountability'. One can only hope it is not another flash in the pan. How unfortunate that others haven't been given the opportunities which he has.
I still hope that England wins the fourth ODI. The fifth one will then go down the wire! How nice that will be!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Goat wrote: | | - Bhuvaneswar Kumar and Shami Ahmed seem to be the bright future of India's bowling attack. If they can stay fit, committed and keep their heads between their shoulders in spite of the massive IPL contracts which will no doubt come along, they can serve India well. Along with Praveen Kumar (once he recovers), they can be quite a handful. |
Add Umesh Yadav into that list, but as we've seen in the past, these types usually shine for a series or two before completely falling apart (Munaf Patel, Sreesanth, Ashish Nehra, VRV Singh, and hundreds of other names come to mind), so I wouldn't be too hopeful on them just yet.
| The_Goat wrote: | | -It is time Ishant Sharma got dropped and sent off to the Ranji for some time. He seems to be sliding downwards quite fast. |
Nope, won't help. The Ranji wickets are largely rubbish, and are the root cause for giving us these mediocre bowlers in the first place. What Sharma needs is a county stint - similar to the one Zaheer had with Worcestershire in 2006, after which he was a changed bowler and single-handedly won us a series in England in 2007, a home series vs Australia in 2010, the draw in South Africa in 2010/11, and the 50-over World Cup.
But then again, the English summer falls during the IPL months and the BCCI have not given any NOCs to cricketers during this time, so don't be hopeful on that count either.
| The_Goat wrote: | | -Ravindra Jadeja finally seems to have learned the meaning of the word 'accountability'. One can only hope it is not another flash in the pan. How unfortunate that others haven't been given the opportunities which he has. |
Again, one has to read between the lines with him. I went to Statsguru and removed his home ODI stats vs England, only to watch the overall figures plummet.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/234675.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling
I don't see him pulling any trees over the long term. But I guess as long as he's Dhoni's mate he'll get a free ride in all formats.
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