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 Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: CONGESTION CHARGE LETS DEBATE ON THIS |
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we were having a very meaningful debate on the above topic. Lets carry on from there. The link to the previous thread is
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| stealthpilot wrote: | Yup, exactly 
Getting back to the original topic, I don’t think it's smart to tax smaller planes more than larger capacity aircraft. Will airlines want to fly 320s or 737s between BLR-Hubli anytime soon? No, smaller routes require smaller aircraft. Airlines will deploy capacity where they anticipate demand (more or less), eventually airlines will fly a330's or an equivalent btw BLR-BOM or DEL.
The government’s job is to provide infrastructure, good airports and efficient ATC management. The airlines should be free to chose where and how to fly. In major airports (not BOM, DEL) 30 mins holding isn’t the biggest deal, it’s a pain in the butt yes but not the biggest deal. Indian airports aren’t anywhere close to being as busy as the major airports, so it’s annoying to see how ill-equipped they are. Now you can point fingers at the rapid proliferation of airlines, or you can blame the government for still coming to terms with last week.
That being said, I agree that unless it's a direct government tax saying the airlines shouldn’t label it a tax 'surcharge'. Security and airport surcharges ok, but anything that is not a direct government tax I think should be factored into the ticket price.
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I think this can be settled down if all the airlines choose cities of their choice to be its hub.What you are seeing right now is all airlines except for maybe Air Deccan,keeping their base in Mumbai or Delhi which are already congested.I feel it'll be better if the 10 domestic carriers can choose 10 different cities as its base.This takes place in US .For ex:DL is based in Atlanta,AA is based in Chicago etc.Maybe not now but once when the infrastructure is done at all apts they can do that.
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Airline industry in India is gonna expand even further in the future.So many cities will be busy and can handle many flights.This will decongest Mum and Del apts a little bit.All the apts will get lots of revenue.
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Aseem how can we have a meaningful debate on a meaningless law set down by GoI? 
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| AKLDELNonstop wrote: | | Aseem how can we have a meaningful debate on a meaningless law set down by GoI? |
What is there to discuss about if something is meaningful 
If you see we always discuss something that is meaningless 
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | I think this can be settled down if all the airlines choose cities of their choice to be its hub.What you are seeing right now is all airlines except for maybe Air Deccan,keeping their base in Mumbai or Delhi which are already congested.I feel it'll be better if the 10 domestic carriers can choose 10 different cities as its base.This takes place in US .For ex:DL is based in Atlanta,AA is based in Chicago etc.Maybe not now but once when the infrastructure is done at all apts they can do that. |
I think that has got a lot to do with geography. Can't say about MAA, but CCU is attractive as DEL/BOM. Nobody can deny the position of these two cities, and I'd say a secondary airport nearby should definately help. One does hear rumour about airports at Greater Noida and Navi Mumbai off and on. Lets see if ground ever gets broken there.
S2 did make HYD their southern hub, but why it didn't work is a different story. With new airports coming up at BLR and HYD, we might just see what you are talking of.
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found an interesting news article regarding cause of delay at DEL
| Quote: | Wind causes traffic jam in Delhi skies
NEW DELHI: Here’s a big reason why air congestion over Delhi often reaches unmanageable proportions, especially on foggy days. Each time wind flow is such that planes have to land from Dwarka side and take off towards jumbo point, IGI airport finds it difficult to simultaneously use its two runways. In fact, using the secondary runway for landing in such conditions is dangerous as planes don’t have the option to abort touch down.
The reason: They can’t turn left because of the restricted VVIP airspace of Rashtrapati Bhavan and PM house. If they go straight, they’ll hit the restricted defence airspace of Hindon air base and turning right is also not an option as planes take off on that route.
Airline officials say any plane that is approaching to land may have to abort touching done for mainly three reasons — if the plane is not properly aligned to the centre of the runway; if there’s an obstruction on the runway; or if it has overshot the touchdown point. "For every landing, this risk has to be factored in and necessary safeguards like providing a clear getaway have to be provided," said an official.
"In such conditions, both runways are used only if air congestion is very bad. Pilots and ground staff have to take all precaution so that planes coming down on the secondary runway don’t need to abort landing," an official said. |
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | I think this can be settled down if all the airlines choose cities of their choice to be its hub.What you are seeing right now is all airlines except for maybe Air Deccan,keeping their base in Mumbai or Delhi which are already congested.I feel it'll be better if the 10 domestic carriers can choose 10 different cities as its base.This takes place in US .For ex:DL is based in Atlanta,AA is based in Chicago etc.Maybe not now but once when the infrastructure is done at all apts they can do that. |
This is something I have thought about a few times. I think if all the airlines had to choose ONE hub in India and then have domestic connections to rest of the cities in India, it might be very efficient for the airlines and will also reduce congestion.
For example lets take this hypothetical situation. Taking the case of 9W and AI. Lets say AI makes BOM its hub and 9W makes DEL. All international flights of 9W leave from and arrive into DEL. 9W has its dedicated terminal in DEL from where its intl and domestic flights operate. Say if a person wanted to fly JFK-BOM. They would fly JFK-DEL by 9W and transfer to a 9W domestic flight to BOM. It wont be a pain for pax as all they have to do is get off one a/c and sit in another one a few meters away. This would only work if the ops of the airline and the airport are very well coordinated and streamlined. Although, that is achievable as the airline has the whole terminal to itself.
What this will also do is allow 9W or any airline to have more intl destinations than have to worry about flying to say LHR from multiple points in India. AI could do the same thing with BOM, IT with BLR and DN with MAA. These are just examples.
Another reason why I think this is important is, if you look at the major successful international carriers in the world, they have only ONE hub. EK,SQ, CX are examples. Even BA has most of its long hauls from either LHR or LGW, AF from CDG, KLM from AMS, TG from BKK etc.
I think trying to have flights from multiple cities in India will be bad for the airlines. Also you cant complain about monopoly or lack of competition as you still have the option of flying your chosen carrier with a small diversion. OTOH, I feel it will create better competition and the airlines will have to keep their terminals really well if they are to prosper. SO good for the consumer.
What do you guys think?
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Is this charge going to be implemented.
I heard that Jet and Kingfisher have lobbied against it! |
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Wasn't it rolled back A week after the Delhi High Court took strong exception to levying of congestion charges by domestic airlines, the DGCA asked airlines to roll back the Rs 150 congestion charge by March 24 2007.
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