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karatecatman
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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: Kingfisher prepares for launch to US |
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Kingfisher Airlines prepares for launch of operations in US
Kingfisher Airlines, impatient to launch international services, will in the next six to eight weeks apply for launching an airline in the US that would enable it operate flights into India, says a new UNI report.
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| This is good news. I am looking forward to experiencing KF's hospitality when they launch the US service. I have traveled enough between the US and India by US/EU carriers and I am already sick of them... Hope this works out soon for KF. |
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KCM,
Won't IT operating as a US entity have to then negotiate with GoI for rights to fly US-India?
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Yes, Kingfisher will be a US owned company at least if Vijay wants to fly internationally and not wait five years as to the current Indian Goverment laws that are in place.
Last year when Kingfisher bought all those airbuses Vijay had said that since his son & daughter are US Citizens that it would clear the way for Kingfisher to setup Kingfisher USA for the sake of flying international routes, and not having to wait five years or however many years Kingfisher has left to wait. |
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| desiguy2447 wrote: | | Yes, Kingfisher will be a US owned company at least if Vijay wants to fly internationally and not wait five years as to the current Indian Goverment laws that are in place. |
Welcome on board desiguy2447! Which part of the world are you based in? |
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superman
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Mallya is a very smart businessman and a marketing genius. Look how he is advertising his flagship liquor brand on his planes and make everyone talk about it not only in India but all over the world. And this is for liquor, for which advertising is not allowed in India.
Sometime last year, he set up Kingfisher International (USA) with 75% ownership in his children's names (all his children are US citizens). I think FAA rules state that the ownership has to be 75% for an airline to be designated "American"..
He will not let the a/c lying around without utilizing them from day 1 as its prohibitively expensive. No matter what decision DGCA takes, we will be seeing either an "Indian" KF or an "American" KF plying the US-India route early next year...
And BTW, KF beer is now easily available in the US for those who are interested. The people in my office love it. |
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karatecatman
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| BigTom wrote: |
Won't IT operating as a US entity have to then negotiate with GoI for rights to fly US-India?
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Seems to be as a few honourable members have pointed out, all about setting up the operations in his childrens' names.
Mallya had earlier said that he would then reregister it as a US firm which can then claim its share under the bilaterals.
Another plan he had was to take over an American airline and then direct it this side.
But this needs to be checked.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, they have forgotten to say credit due: Airliners-India.net 
Wow!! Nice!!!
Anyway, we beat them to it!!!
But is there an error in the first line or just imagining?
Does it say the first Boeing 777-200 ER? or is it correct as LR? |
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another article full of Mallya talk which makes it look as if starting a new airline in US is a child,s play... I dont think he can pull it off in 6months and start Us operations . Isnt FAA very particular about the ownership that the owners are the real players controling the airline and nt just dummy or figure heads...
I have a very strong intution that his widebody jets wud have to be leased to some other airlines..
He hasnt been able to influence the GOI on the 5 year rule LOL and he thinks FAA and DOT and all those authorities wud buy his story of his small kids being the MD and the chairman Lolzzzzzz
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| superman wrote: | | Sometime last year, he set up Kingfisher International (USA) with 75% ownership in his children's names (all his children are US citizens). I think FAA rules state that the ownership has to be 75% for an airline to be designated "American". |
It was never going to be that simple. Just because his children are US citizens doesn’t mean he can just start an airline and fly long haul.
Ownership is one issue, but as the Virgin America saga shows us it’s not the only one.
http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8297
I for one am skeptical about this U.S registered KF plans. The amount of time it will take to get approval, well, by then he would be allowed to fly from India.
| superman wrote: | | He will not let the a/c lying around without utilizing them from day 1 as its prohibitively expensive. No matter what decision DGCA takes, we will be seeing either an "Indian" KF or an "American" KF plying the US-India route early next year |
Quite right, its way to expensive to let the aircrafts lie around doing nothing. But the decisions the DGCA makes certainly does matter  As I said, the American KF plan = a bunch of talk in my opinion. Leasing (preferably wet) out the a/c seems like a better option if worse comes to worse.
That’s my arm chair advice.
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| VABBy wrote: | another article full of Mallya talk which makes it look as if starting a new airline in US is a child,s play... I dont think he can pull it off in 6months and start Us operations . Isnt FAA very particular about the ownership that the owners are the real players controling the airline and nt just dummy or figure heads...
I have a very strong intution that his widebody jets wud have to be leased to some other airlines..
He hasnt been able to influence the GOI on the 5 year rule LOL and he thinks FAA and DOT and all those authorities wud buy his story of his small kids being the MD and the chairman Lolzzzzzz |
I think he can pull it off. Since when does an owner of any business have to be an active participant? He could hire an American born CEO to run the airline. He is consulting with lawyers familiar with the industry so they must be telling him that it is possible and I'm sure those lawyers are closely observing the Virgin America situation so that they get things right the first time around.
Also, I believe his children are in their 20s so not so "small" and probably |
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Related to Kingfisher,
Airbus now says that it is bringing in the A380 to both Mumbai and Delhi to coincide with Kingfisher's anniversary celebrations in May.
Airbus also says that it is exploring bringing the plane to an aerobridge, instead of parking it in a remote bay and getting visitors and guets across to the plane. |
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What about the TaxiTrack 
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| HAWK21M wrote: | | What about the TaxiTrack |
It's pretty obvious that Airbus will not bring the A380 to India if taxi tracks are not available. And here they're even talking of taking it to a gate, so a taxi track is a must.
So let's assume that Airbus/IT will do what it takes to ensure taxi tracks are done in time. |
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First of all starting the US entity i had my doubts because of the whole Virgin America fiasco, but then again now that VA has been cleared all be it after 2.5 yrs, it has eased out the processed of starting airlines with foreign investment.
In Mallyas case however if all this does not go on schedule , i think he should lease out the planes to a carrier like US Airways who need the aircrat to operate to PVG from PHL and at the same time ask them to operate a BLR-SFO/LAX flight , depending upon how the lease deal goes ahead.
With regards to the A380 in BOM/DEL will it have IT decals on it??
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With regards to the A380 in BOM/DEL will it have IT decals on it??
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Considering the Trend prevalent at these visits.Decals of IT would def be used.
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Good!Atlast now we can see some Indian carrier operating int'l flights from BLR to Europe and US which we have not seen so far.
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| G-BYGB wrote: | | Good!Atlast now we can see some Indian carrier operating int'l flights from BLR to Europe and US which we have not seen so far. |
KF is still yet to get approvals frm the US authorities mate so i guess its a long way to go.
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| VABBy wrote: | | G-BYGB wrote: | | Good!Atlast now we can see some Indian carrier operating int'l flights from BLR to Europe and US which we have not seen so far. |
KF is still yet to get approvals frm the US authorities mate so i guess its a long way to go. |
Precisely, it's not as if VM can start up from the US because he has American kids, just because GoI won't allow him to fly internationally from India as yet. First he has to get the green flag from the FAA and DoT and then he has to run the gauntlet of getting GoI to agree to let him fly the sector. Most likely he will end up leasing out his new aircraft.
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Nick Barton, business development and planning director for Stansted airport, has said on BBC Asia that Stansted is sending a team to Indian and China for direct routes between the countries.
Stansted is in advanced talks with Kingfisher as Barton quoted Mallya as saying he (Mallya) now intends to break into the U.K. via Stansted. |
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VM is just full of hot air... IF he wants to start up an airline he doesn’t have look any further than Virgin America. How many years has that been in works?
Imo I don’t think IT will ever get the A380 and the A345 is a long shot… |
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| You have to remember that part of the reason that it took so long for Virgin America is that it had a lot of resistance and objection from US legacy airlines. I don't think these legacy airlines would have a problem with KF serving one or two routes they likely don't serve themselves. That and they'll obviously learn from the whole situation. |
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It depends on where IT plans to start its India Service... If its the NYC market look for an uproar from CO and DL, especially CO they tend to put up a fuzz on just about anything...
Now if its from SFO or something then I guess you probably wont hear much about it, but still I would think one of the US carriers will start it b4 IT? |
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http://tinyurl.com/2xut4j
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Foreign crew for Kingfisher intl ops
Chanchal Pal Chauhan / New Delhi March 31, 2007
Vijay Mallya-promoted Kingfisher Airlines’s international service, which is expected to start by January 2008, will be staffed entirely by foreign cabin crew.
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http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=41439
Abu Dhabi, March 31 (IANS) India's Kingfisher airlines is installing Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) system on its Airbus aircraft at the Gulf Aircraft Maintenance Company (GAMCO) facility here, the WAM news agency said.
The first of these on-board satellite television systems is being installed on an Airbus 320 by GAMCO, which will complete work on the first batch of the airline's jets.
"This is an industry-first for GAMCO in Asia. Kingfisher is the first airline in Asia and the second in the world to install on-board satellite television on Airbus A320, and all of us in GAMCO are very proud that this was done at our facilities in Abu Dhabi by our engineers and technicians," GAMCO's Chief Executive Officer Saif Al Mughairy said. |
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Entirely by foreign crew ???
Will it actually work? Expenses- their salaries, accomodation, facilities or is this only show biz?
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| karatecatman wrote: | http://tinyurl.com/2xut4j
Kingfisher is the first airline in Asia and the second in the world to install on-board satellite television on Airbus A320. |
Who was the 1st.
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| JetBlue |
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| HAWK21M wrote: | Who was the 1st.
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That article is incorrect. JetBlue and Song offered live satellite TV. Song was a low cost, but had nice touch screen TVs and many channels. I'm pretty sure they had more than 16 channels, come on KF!! Whats holding them back here?
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| stealthpilot wrote: | | HAWK21M wrote: | Who was the 1st.
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That article is incorrect. JetBlue and Song offered live satellite TV. Song was a low cost, but had nice touch screen TVs and many channels. I'm pretty sure they had more than 16 channels, come on KF!! Whats holding them back here? |
Song did not operate A320s. Frontier also offers it (for a fee I think) but they have A318s and A319s. The article specifically states A320s. |
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Right you are, thank you.
I was confusing them with Ted.
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I personally find this "1st in world,1st in Asia,1st on type" Amusing
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Absolutely agree!
What's next? First on type with a particular engine? 
| HAWK21M wrote: | I personally find this "1st in world,1st in Asia,1st on type" Amusing
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