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Aiel · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 927 Location: Bangalore

<i><b>Kingfisher Airlines Deploys Autoland System to Deal with Fog
Becomes the first private airline in India to receive certification to execute precision landings in poor visibility in category IIIA Operations</b>

Kingfisher Airlines has created a new milestone in Indian Civil Aviation by becoming the first private airline in India to receive certification to operate its flights in poor visibility using sophisticated Autoland Systems in the highest category of operation-Category IIIA. This development marks a significant step forward and is another effort in Kingfisher Airlines’ continuous commitment to on-time performance.</i>

http://www.businesswireindia.com/PressRelease.asp?b2mid=11574
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VABBy · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL

Highest catagory 3A since wen?? I think 3C is highest in the world while DEL has 3B which i guess IC is using isnt it?? Open to corrections here
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HAWK21M · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject:

The Sorce is Interesting too. Very Happy

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Aiel · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 927 Location: Bangalore

grade A > grade C, according to laypersons.

that must be the reason they're hyping it up so much.
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the_380 · Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject:

AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

A comes before B therefore A must be higher. Oh man didnt you guys know that. Elementary alphabets Laughing

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HAWK21M · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:

Cat IIIC is the highest .
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the_380 · Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:24 am Post subject:

HAWK21M · Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:11 am Post subject:

Instrument aided landings are defined in categories by the ICAO. These are dependent upon the required visibility level and the degree to which the landing can be conducted automatically without input by the pilot.

CAT I - This category permits pilots to land with a decision height (where the pilot takes over from the autopilot) of 200 ft and a forward visibility of 2400 ft. Simplex autopilots are sufficient.

CAT II - This category permits pilots to land with a decision height of 100 ft and a forward visibility of 1200 ft. Autopilots have a fail passive requirement.

CAT IIIa - Total Instrument capability on autopilot. Pilot assumes control on touch down. The failure rate of the automatic system must be better than 1 in 10 million.

CAT IIIb - As IIIa but with the addition of automatic roll out after touchdown incorporated with the pilot taking control some distance along the runway. Some form of runway guidance system is needed.

CAT IIIc - As IIIb but with the inclusion of automatic taxi control enabling runway to terminal without pilot intervention. No current aircraft has this capability.

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AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

Thats really helpful MEL thanks. But will the 380 or 787 be IIIC enabled?

I think that will be harder to due to moving objects(incl other ac) on the Tarmac, and probably undesirable as well. You would probably want the pilot to control the a/c at that stage

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HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

Def the modern Aircraft would be Cat IIIC Enabled.
The problem is After landing to taxi to the bay there would be need for TAWS.
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the_380 · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the details Mel
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HAWK21M · Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

With zero visability even the Follow me Jeep would struggle.A person 6 ft away is difficult to notice.Using a flashlight makes things worse.
Its like standing in room of smoke.
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How about the use of infrared sensors like in night vision used by the armed forces?

Has that technology transfeered to civil aviation?

Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

A "Follow Me" for the "Follow Me" ... form a chain Smile

Just kidding, but in practical situations I can tell you that visibility is never zero in Delhi. It approaches some really low limits, but never in my 12years did i ever see ZERO visibility.

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HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:

I remember a night in the late 90s.When We could see Fog approaching & in minutes it was all over.A person 6 ft away was difficult to trace,not to add driving with out headlights as Bright lights were complicating things.
From the hotel room on the 6th floor.

We could see a cloud cover at the 3rd floor level.It was weird.Pollution adds to Fog.

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Boeing7xx · Member Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 477 Location: WSSS

Are your 757's equipped for CAT-IIIB?

HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:40 am Post subject:

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