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superman · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Location: USA

Paris air show is now less than 3 months away. 2 years back Indian carriers ordered the largest number of birds. I wonder how it is going to be this year? Read from reports that AI might be looking at another big acquisition. Will it follow through and what about other carriers? Will the show sing the Indian aviation growth story once again??

XBValk · Member Joined: 27 Jan 2007 Posts: 124 Location: NYC/COK

What is AI eying this time? More 787's? Maybe some 748's??

Where did you read this?

superman · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Location: USA

I think this was on or around the Aero India show when I read this. Let me see if I can find the source. If I remember it right, they were going to look at some wide bodies in the near future for additional fleet expansion.

superman · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Location: USA

Here is the source: http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/mar/07ai.htm

VABBy · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL

any orders from the pvt carriers ????
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Nimish · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject:

G-BYGB · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject:

Will we see DN ordering any large acfts for their int'l operations during this air show?
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HamiltonAir · Member Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 937 Location: Bangalore

I am not sure if AI might consider the A330, but, it would be great if AI orders a bunch of 747-8Is Very Happy

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superman · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Location: USA

I would say that AI considering 330's are nil as that would add another aircraft type after the merger. I wonder how long they would keep the leased 330 for IC. If they plan to purchase 748's, they should do it now as they will get in front of other airlines when deliveries are done. BA and other major carriers EU carriers are planning for a major purchase this year and I suspect these mega deals will be announced during the show. The 787's production runs are sold out till 2013 unless Boeing increases production capacity.

Similarly IT ordering 787's would be very odd as it would add one more aircraft type.

I would say the most probable scenario:
Spice Jet ordering another 10-20 frames.
IT swapping their odd current wide body purchases to something like 10+10 and ordering another 10 330's.
Jet going in for another round of 773
And last but not the least AI announcing another mega deal that includes 748's (this is highly unlikely soon due to our babudom...)

The show would be interesting this year..., lets see.

the_380 · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

Hopefully AI and IC or the merged airline altogether...
MAybe IT might get out of its all Airbus mentality although i doubt that'll happen. They instead might go for some more Airbuses else. As Nimish said a fleet of 5+5+5+5 sounds unprofessional
Maybe 9W might order some 737s and a few more widebodies
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HAWK21M · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject:

Looks like the B748 & B787/A350 might get a few orders.Apart from the Indians ordering the A320s & B737NGs.

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sammyk · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:26 am Post subject:

Actually, in my second paragraph I kinda backed off that although I think that would still be the case if the 787s were truly replacing the A310s but I feel it is the 738s that are doing that.

Where has it been said the 787s would replace the A310s? It may be the case for a few higher capacity routes but the 738 seems to be taking over the routes. We've already seen this for the Gulf and now the SE Asian routes as deliveries continue. I think if they truly wanted to replace the A310s with 787s then they would have ordered the 783.

Aseem · Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ

Its just that I have not been able to find a convincing answer from anybody in any forum. It has a lot to do with our limited knowledge and paucity of info on what is going on in AI/IC's board rooms or Rajiv Gandhi Bhavan.
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VABBy · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL

Bt why on earth replace A310 with a B738.. arent the loads high on routes where A310 operates... Wont B738 limit the capacity both pax and cargo
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Nimish · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject:

the_380 · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject:

Birendra is joking (right?)
But i guess DN might be eyeing aircrafts forlong haul ... although not too sure... maybe some more ATRs and engines also Rolling Eyes

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HAWK21M · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject:

DN should focus on getting their current fleet more efficient.
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adhithya · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 23

Possible Orders which i predict

Jet Airways 10 more B773ER or B772LR + Confirm the A333 options

During the last Paris Air Show if i remember correctly Jet had taken confirmed A332 + options 333

Kingfisher order more A330/A350 and announce a fresh order of 10 A321

Air India and Indian Combined would not order anything because its logical they are going to be combined and the management would want to decide what fleet they will have. i predict they will order next year at Farnborough.

Air Sahara might be the suprise possible order of widebody and narrow body....they have to order to stay in business....

Air Deccan may be not

Go Air No

Indigo they have a lot of Backlog

Jagson might confirm the Mou they signed for A321

Spicejet may be some Boeings but unlikely

So in short the farnborough Air Show willl be more interesting next year because the private carriers will start nearing that 5-year limit and place widebody orders mainly Air Deccan.

But u never know... no one predicted india would dominate Paris Air show in 2005.

A possible A380 from Deccan .........May be tooo early

HAWK21M · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject:

What were the Domestic Airlines Profits in the last Quarter.
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G-BYGB · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject:

AI will slowly sell its A310.I think once when the merger comes into function,we'll see AIX and IC operating the busy middle east and south east asian routes.They can operate these routes with their B738 and A321 which IC will be gettin it by this year end.They can carry lot of passengers on these routes.So AI will use B787s for long-haul routes.Thus B787 will not replace A310.IMO this could happen.We'll have to wait and see.
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15a · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 271 Location: Bangalore

i also think some of the airlines - maybe jet or sahara or even kingfisher or spice jet will order either the embraer or the crj - given the tax breaks on those type of aircraft in this budget..they will make sense in
a) opening new destinations (like Hubli etc which Kingfisher/Deccan is opening up with its ATRs)
b) Fly the metro sectors in off peak hours - ie Blr-Hyd at lunch time or Kolkata delhi mid day - lower loads but able to offer more schedules to frequent fliers..also the paramount configuration has shown the ability to have a business and regular economy class in these aircraft

G-BYGB · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

DN should first do a reality check b'fore they start their ambitious plans of bcmng int'l.So that they don't have to go thru being embarrased by a foreign passenger.As it is they r are in a face saving situation right nw with growing no.of angry passengers domestically bcoz of their flght delays and cheating of pax.DN has to get its domestic house in order first.
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Nimish · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

VABBy · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL

I think DN can do wonders if they can outsource their meal service to some proper catering company. Even RK is doing a better job on shatabdi and rajdhani,s that those lousy snacks being served by CCD...
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G-BYGB · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject:

Wonder how DN are gonna maintain large acfts when they can't maintain their small ATRs. Rolling Eyes

I can't imagine what it would be like for the passengers on board a large plane,when they are flying midway in the air and suddenly the pilot is forced to make a emergency landing b'coz of technical snag or engine failure.That will be scary and frustrating when I know it is a long hour journey.
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the_380 · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject:

Adithya ur figures are kind of too accurate Wink

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superman · Member Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 42 Location: USA

I concur with what adithya has said and almost agree with what he is saying expect the DN purchases. Given the state of affairs, I have a strong feeling that this airline is going to fold up in the near future.

It appears to be very prestigious to announce purchases at the Paris Air Show as it gets a lot of media publicity. No airline would want to miss it even if that means ordering less than a year earlier than the Farnborough Air Show. They can always take the deliveries later if that's what they want.

I predict some significant orders coming from the Indian carriers. Its going to be interesting to see who comes up with major surprises.

HAWK21M · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject:

All Airshows are used by Airlines placing orders to get Media Attention.Understandably so.
Currently in India DN & S2 look like they need to pull up their socks.
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AKLDELNonstop · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1066 Location: Auckland

I think if the law allowing the pvt indian airlines to go abroad changes to the proposed one about equity and IT suddenly find that they are able to go abroad. I would then expect a substantial order from them. I also think this uncertainty about when they would be allowed to go international made Mally order the 5s with 5 options. Because if those long hauls are converted to ten of each then ITs orderbook doesnt look retarded at all. Infact pretty good.

I also hope 9W orders more medium capacity aircrafts for SE Asian and gulf routes.

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