Airliners-India.com Flickr Group & Facebook    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Slum dwellers protest against Mumbai Airport expansion Goto page 1, 2  Next          Airliners-India.com Forum Index -> Civil Aviation View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message karatecatman Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Slum dwellers protest against Mumbai Airport expansion Slum dwellers in Mumbai are objecting to the proposed modernisation of the city airport, as it involves the razing of slums. Over 80,000 illegal hutments located around the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport have to be bulldozed to facilitate the expansion, says a UNI report. The protesters claim that the rehabilitation package is inadequate. ‘‘We are living here since for the past 40 years. Why can’t we live? They are sending us to Kari where there is no water, no electricity, no buses or any other civic amenity,’’ claimed Sheila, a slum dweller. The expansion project is being undertaken by Mumbai International Airport Pvt. Ltd, a joint venture of a consortium of India’s GVK Group, Airports Company South Africa Ltd. and Bidvest Group Ltd. with the state-run airports operator. ‘‘This is the biggest land scam done by the GVK Group. The group has bought this from the Government at 52 billion rupees and is this. We will not allow flight kitchen and hotels to be built on our land,’’ said Nicholas Almeida, a Corporator of Sahar-Mumbai. The project, is part of a larger 20-year, 70-billion-rupee plan to double the capacity of the airport to 40 million passengers, ends the UNI report. Potential for trouble here? Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: They'll all get compensation from the authorities they know it...simply because GMR has to get them out of there to expand the airport... so that why they're making these noises. IMHO with one warning call in 50 bulldozers and clear off those slums overnight, first of all they're wrong at it...on top of that they'd expect GoI to compensate for that...bloody laws in this country _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Does anyone know what type of compensation has been offered to the slum dwellers? Is it really a case of too little being given, or is it a case of the politicos getting into the act to try and get more money from the MIAL team? Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: Does anyone know what type of compensation has been offered to the slum dwellers? Is it really a case of too little being given, or is it a case of the politicos getting into the act to try and get more money from the MIAL team? Politics definately has a majorhand in all this, opposition leaders would demand compensation from the GoI + MIAL _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: GVK is very keen on Expansion.Even Operators at Domestic Terminal have been asked to move their GSE Cabins from certain areas on Airside. regds MEL _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top Akshay Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Mumbai Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Agree with you, 380. Some of those people also stalled some other projects in Mumbai demanding houses equal to the area on which they had encroached. They should not get free houses in the first place. No pther place offers such a facility. BTW, its the govt of Maharashtra who normally compensates them. _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. Back to top avbuff Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: the_380 wrote: They'll all get compensation from the authorities they know it...simply because GMR has to get them out of there to expand the airport... so that why they're making these noises. IMHO with one warning call in 50 bulldozers and clear off those slums overnight, first of all they're wrong at it...on top of that they'd expect GoI to compensate for that...bloody laws in this country right u are ... i was just waiting how come no one yelled up so far Back to top saurabhm_101 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 529 Location: Mumbai Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:17 pm    Post subject: if they are called 'Illegal' why should the government listen to their wining? they shouldn't be given any concession at all! they came from out of the city and settled here! i dont really know what the problem of the government is... they want to rule by getting the votes of such people but they wont even bother looking after the city....! disgusting...! no hope left.... regards _________________ Flying High.... You and Me...! Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: saurabhm_101 wrote: if they are called 'Illegal' why should the government listen to their wining? they shouldn't be given any concession at all! they came from out of the city and settled here! Dude your forgetting there's something called as Vote Bank _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top deaphen Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 933 Location: India Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: saurabhm_101 wrote: if they are called 'Illegal' why should the government listen to their wining? they shouldn't be given any concession at all! they came from out of the city and settled here! i dont really know what the problem of the government is... they want to rule by getting the votes of such people but they wont even bother looking after the city....! disgusting...! no hope left.... regards Vote bank apart... there is a thing called human rights.. which does superscede all laws. Thankfully we have such provisions. Back to top desiguy2447 Member Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 37 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Finally the Illegal slums will be removed shortly. It will be interesting to see how MIAL gets this job done. For years Mumbai government did not do anything about the slum area around the airport because they were afraid to deal with this issue. At least MIAL will probably hire a few hundred thugs just incase the slum residents rise up once the machines are brought into remove the slums so that the airport can expand. Back to top Akshay Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Mumbai Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: deaphen wrote: Vote bank apart... there is a thing called human rights.. which does superscede all laws. Thankfully we have such provisions. Is it proper to give out free houses for slum dwellers under the label of Human rights when other people pay sky high rates for houses in same area? Atlesat govt should charge a concessional rate for them, I can understand that those people can't be left in the open, but giving free houses is not the solution. Because of a few slum dwellers, every infrastructure project in mumbai is delayed for at least a year. Is it appropriate to cause hardship to thousands of people just for the sake of a few illegal slums? This provision lures more people to come here and build slums & then more free houses and the thing goes on & on..... _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. Back to top G-BYGB Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1813 Location: Bangalore/Delhi Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: GMR and the Govt should get it right this time interms of rehab for the slum dwellers.Otherwise we are going to see another Nandigram with the opposition parties trying to please these people inorder to satisfy their vested interest. _________________ www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos Back to top VABBy Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Akshay wrote: Agree with you, 380. Some of those people also stalled some other projects in Mumbai demanding houses equal to the area on which they had encroached. They should not get free houses in the first place. No pther place offers such a facility. BTW, its the govt of Maharashtra who normally compensates them. Sorrie if u find me too critical Akshay but will u say the same thing if you are among those same people who have been asked to vacate the land so that the airport can be developed. Dont look at everythin frm jst aviation prospective ie jst because these ppl are stumbling block in the mumbai airport development So we shud nuke them and anyways they are illegal. Actually its the same attitude towards the lower classes which is fuelin troubles like nandigram , singur etc etc The bottom line is they have been livin there since last 40-50years u jst can uproot them and wash ur hands off them. Since they are the ones who are being affected they have got all right to get the best deal possible.. _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com Back to top BigTom Member Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 271 Location: Dubai, UAE Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: This situation arose because the government allowed the encroachers to settle there in the first place and then did nothing about clearing the encroachments fo0r so long. Now to suddenly raze these settlements after 40 plus years opens the doors for everyone in the opposition to pretend they are on the side of the downtrodden and create as much chaos as possible. Elements of this same government would have done the same if the other side was in power. Back to top Nimish Member Joined: 16 Dec 2006 Posts: 9757 Location: Bangalore, India Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: BigTom wrote: This situation arose because the government allowed the encroachers to settle there in the first place and then did nothing about clearing the encroachments fo0r so long. Now to suddenly raze these settlements after 40 plus years opens the doors for everyone in the opposition to pretend they are on the side of the downtrodden and create as much chaos as possible. Elements of this same government would have done the same if the other side was in power Absolutely, it's all politics really. But that being said, I hope the MIAL team deals with the issue in a sensitive manner, we don't want the whole project derailed because they could not "settle" with the slum dwellers. And that there needs to be a "settlement" was clear when MIAL took over the project. Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: VABBy wrote: Sorrie if u find me too critical Akshay but will u say the same thing if you are among those same people who have been asked to vacate the land so that the airport can be developed. Dont look at everythin frm jst aviation prospective ie jst because these ppl are stumbling block in the mumbai airport development But is it legal for them to encroach others land and then expect compensation from them when the GoI is not responsible? Recently i heard LN Mittal's son say something about China in the media he said: "When the chinese authorities showed me the land i saw small cottages for miles. i asked them 'where's the land for our business' and the authority supservisor replied '90 days and you'll see only land not a single houe" We need something like that... _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top BigTom Member Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 271 Location: Dubai, UAE Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Nimish wrote: BigTom wrote: This situation arose because the government allowed the encroachers to settle there in the first place and then did nothing about clearing the encroachments fo0r so long. Now to suddenly raze these settlements after 40 plus years opens the doors for everyone in the opposition to pretend they are on the side of the downtrodden and create as much chaos as possible. Elements of this same government would have done the same if the other side was in power Absolutely, it's all politics really. But that being said, I hope the MIAL team deals with the issue in a sensitive manner, we don't want the whole project derailed because they could not "settle" with the slum dwellers. And that there needs to be a "settlement" was clear when MIAL took over the project. I hope they do reach some sort of 'settlement' soon, otherwise the whole issue will hang fire and we'll then wait till the new airport at Panvel gets off the ground, whenever that happens. Any movement on that, by the way? Cheers Back to top Akshay Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Mumbai Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: VABBy wrote: Sorrie if u find me too critical Akshay but will u say the same thing if you are among those same people who have been asked to vacate the land so that the airport can be developed. Dont look at everythin frm jst aviation prospective ie jst because these ppl are stumbling block in the mumbai airport development Well, the_380 has already posted a reply & i agree with it 100%. I want to make one point clear that I am NOT looking at everything from Aviation prospective. Its the same story with every project in Mumbai, whether related to aviation or not. _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Since We are a Democracy.The Chinese style won't work. The Vote Bank exists & it has to be an effort of a Govt to move these people to another location.That won't stop some comming back Relocation has to be done for the main issue to be solved. regds MEL _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top Birendra Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411 Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: DN will soon solve all our worries to this airport expansion. It may loose some aircrafts but then it will send shivers down the spine of the land sharks trying to stop development. Back to top TKMCE Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 957 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:42 am    Post subject: GMR has been associated quite liberally in various comments in this thread. Just to clarify, GMR is not associated with BOM, it is GVK which has the BOM contract. GMR has DEL in addition to the new hyderabad airport project. Back to top C-GHKR Member Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 626 Location: yyz Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: There's no doubt that they need to be compensated. Just because they are poor doesn't make them any less humans. don't feel too proud just because we were lucky and happened to be born in a family that was not in the slums, but the people who were born there didn't have a choice. About illegal encroachement, that should have been stopped 40 years ago. Now, since the authorities didn't do their work and stop the in the begining before them settling down, they have to pay the price for it. You cannot simply kick them out of their houses one fine morning and say "go to hell". They were there for years. Just imagine yourself being in those situation. What happened to "All Indians are my brothers and sisters"? But it is good that they be relocated and the airport be expanded. Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 711 Location: VOBL Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Thankfully we are not China and value human life a wee bit more.. There is something called human rights and there is no such thing called free lunches. I think the best way to relocate them is to not solve their problem entirely. They should be given monetary compensation comparable to the market rates of the place. This should easily enable them to scatter around the city in whatever neighbourhoods they find lucrative. This will also help scatter the population preventing them from grouping together to form a veritable vote bank for local politicians. In addition, the govt should seriously think about introducing various other kinds of compensations. For instance, food stamps or coupons that can be exchanged for specific necessities like clothing, labour, etc. Back to top VABBy Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: well said Fighter pilot i agree with each and every word you said. _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com Back to top flightgearpilot Member Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 711 Location: VOBL Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: VABBy wrote: well said Fighter pilot i agree with each and every word you said. Thanks VABBy. But, how i wish i were actually a fighter pilot unfortunately, i am only a pilot on "flight gear" -- an open source flight simulator! Back to top karatecatman Guest Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: A UNI report says Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh has asked the MMRDA to complete within two months a survey for relocating slums near it. He was addressing a meeting of people’s representatives on the modernisation of Mumbai and the airport. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel was also present. The survey of pre-1995 slums and pre-2000 slums should be carried out separately, Deshmukh said. Compared to Delhi, the space for Mumbai airport is less, he said, adding that there was a need to make available more land for the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport while ‘considering future growth’. There is not enough space at Mumbai airport for parking aircraft, Praful Patel told them and requested the leaders to think not only of their respective constituencies but of Mumbai as a whole’ while considering the modernisation of the airport. Back to top mrniji Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 55 Location: FRA Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Quote: if they are called 'Illegal' why should the government listen to their wining? they shouldn't be given any concession at all! they came from out of the city and settled here! i dont really know what the problem of the government is... they want to rule by getting the votes of such people but they wont even bother looking after the city....! disgusting...! no hope left.... This is a disgusting comment! First, as others have indicated: India is not China. Second, it is a democracy with a catalogue of human rights. Section IV of the COnstitution (Directives of STate Policy, an extension of Sec. III the Fundamental Rights Section) entitles people to claim some basic rights. Slum dwellers have their reasons to live in such areas, and to call them "illegal" shows retardedness and ignorance, much of what we indians are prone to. Instead only talking about economic development, we should safeguard the socio-economic development of ALL Indians, including those who miss the means to take care of themselves. Grow up, man, we are not a dictatorship, a brutal regime, etc, but one country, where everyone should show solidarity to people who live in more desperate situations Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: mniji wrote: Slum dwellers have their reasons to live in such areas, and to call them "illegal" shows retardedness and ignorance, much of what we indians are prone to. Reasons? They will come and occupy the vacant airport territories and then the Govt pays compensation to them ? Tomorrow your neighbours occupy your vacant house and you will pay them 'compensation' to leave? mrniji wrote: Instead only talking about economic development, we should safeguard the socio-economic development of ALL Indians Safeguard those people who have occupied govt land not lands under PSUs. mrniji wrote: where everyone should show solidarity to people who live in more desperate situations Why bother for those people who don't care about themselves ??? Each house there has more than 5-6 children. Along with the increasing hands for begging there are mouths also being increased for eating. Don't they realise that? This country does need something like China, although not that rapid as China. Else after another 20-25 years we'll see two seperate sections of people: the working class which gets richer and the lower class which gets poorer. Eventually hopeful not to see some Civil war taking place because of this _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top Akshay Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Mumbai Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Another instance I would like to share is: In the widening of road passing from front of IIT Mumbai, instead of razing the slums opposite IIT, they have forced IIT to surrender land. Now they are going to cut 600 trees in IIT campus for the widening project!! The slums come up on land reserved for playgrounds, parks etc. When they are removed, generally he slum dwellers are relocated in a building on the same plot. SO the city loses open space. The constitution provides a right to go anywhere in the country. Not the right to go anywhere and build illegal slums. Every city has a limit to the number of people it can hold. Mumbai has exceeded the limit far back. _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. Back to top VABBy Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:31 am    Post subject: the_380 wrote: Reasons? They will come and occupy the vacant airport territories and then the Govt pays compensation to them ? Tomorrow your neighbours occupy your vacant house and you will pay them 'compensation' to leave? Avijeet welcome to the real world whatever u said is infact the truth. Have u seen that movie called Khosla ka Ghosla its abt hw a landshark gobble up a piece of land owned by a middle class family and then they had to pay him to free up his land. It happens in real life i knw i am going offtopic here bt its important to make u understand. So yeah tommorrow if someone captures ur property u cant do a shit abt it. U would go to the courts and stuff and by the time the descion wud come u wud be no more.. Govt land or PSU land its one of the same thing though on paper its a different legal entity. 2 wrongs dont make a right. First u allowed them to set up their houses there and now ur doing a bigger blunder by evicting them in jst one stroke. As i quoted before dont look at it jst frm an aviation prospective ie ur fav,s airports growth is being held to hostage by a bunch of slum dwellers its much more than to it. If u still cant get wat we all have been sayin and continue to argue all i can say is plzzzz grow up _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com Back to top VABBy Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 823 Location: DEL Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Akshay wrote: The constitution provides a right to go anywhere in the country. Not the right to go anywhere and build illegal slums. Every city has a limit to the number of people it can hold. Mumbai has exceeded the limit far back. Ohh lovely wud u care to volunteer urself to move out of Mumbai and relocate to some other city jst becoz it has exceeded the limit. Or do u want to imply since these ppl dnt have houses of their own lets throw them out of the city.... _________________ Expeditors- You'd be surprised how far we will go for you www.expeditors.com Back to top Akshay Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 315 Location: Mumbai Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: The question of my going out of Mumbai does not arise. What I simply meant to say by that sentence was that at least now, the influx of people to Mumbai should stop. Look at the crowd in Local trains. Then you will understand what I mean. Otherwise, Mumbai will be the ugliest city in the world (not that it isn't ugly now). Anyways, I think it would be fair to move this discussion to Non aviation as we are veering off the topic . _________________ MRVC Mania. My blog dedicated to the new violet-white suburban rakes of Mumbai. Back to top HAWK21M Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 8132 Location: Mumbai, INDIA Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: The solution lies with convincing people moving to the cityy that there are better opportunities elsewhere.Thats for the Govt to create. regds MEL _________________ Think of the Brighter side !!! Back to top himmat01 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1392 Location: DEL Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Akshay wrote: The question of my going out of Mumbai does not arise. What I simply meant to say by that sentence was that at least now, the influx of people to Mumbai should stop. Look at the crowd in Local trains. Then you will understand what I mean. Otherwise, Mumbai will be the ugliest city in the world (not that it isn't ugly now). Anyways, I think it would be fair to move this discussion to Non aviation as we are veering off the topic . By your statement, do you mean the influx of poor people should be stopped or should it include everybody and even professionals who have been transferred or offered jobs in BOM. Is it practically possible to stop people from entering BOM. Are we going to stop trains at Virar or Kalyan and ask all passengers to show their address proof. The point I am trying to make is that stopping people from entering BOM or for that any other big city is not possible. We have failed as a nation to address the problems of underdevelopment and unemployment in the rural areas. If these issues are not addressed immediately, I am afraid, the country might be heading towards a civil war. _________________ Save Maharashtra! Back to top the_380 Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2329 Location: Mumbai, India Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: HAWK21M wrote: The solution lies with convincing people moving to the cityy that there are better opportunities elsewhere.Thats for the Govt to create Thats practically impossible Mel, people think mumbai is the 'sapno ka shehar' (city of dreams) and that each one here becomes SRK and Dhirubhai Ambani. Sadly thats not the truth. himmat01 wrote: By your statement, do you mean the influx of poor people should be stopped or should it include everybody and even professionals who have been transferred or offered jobs in BOM. Why stop those people who have jobs in hand or atleast even those who come with some degree/diploma in search of jobs ? Let them come and go as they want. But what about those who sell their lands in their villages and come to mumbai for doing "business" and become superstars ? My maid servant's family is the best example. Her husband sold their land and came to mumbai for doing business. Since couldn't do anything, ended up himself on the rope leaving his wife and and son behind. Himmat01 wrote: Is it practically possible to stop people from entering BOM. Are we going to stop trains at Virar or Kalyan and ask all passengers to show their address proof. The point I am trying to make is that stopping people from entering BOM or for that any other big city is not possible. We have failed as a nation to address the problems of underdevelopment and unemployment in the rural areas. No it is not but you can definately ask them to show their job proof or atleast any security that they will get job within the next 6-8 months. Else leave the city. The slums should be the first target to this. India, Pakistan and China got freedom around the same time. Rather China got it later than us. But today they're at a better position than us. Forget their future. But their people struggled hard for 30-40 years even if they didn't want to but today they're at a much better position than ours. And what about india and pakistan ? Both countries remain "developing" Being patriotic and optimistic is a different issue. But being practical is more important. Myself Akshay and Saurabh willl work after another 5-8 years maximum. If the conditions are so bad now, how can we assume that the future will be better? Himmat01 wrote: If these issues are not addressed immediately, I am afraid, the country might be heading towards a civil war. Oh yes we are heading. i have already mentioned in one of my above posts _________________ http://www.myspace.com/avsatsworld A Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox Audio Producer!!! Back to top Birendra Member Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 1411 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: IMHO we have to decide between the two things The People who are already staying there OR The airport expansion.... We cannot be scarlett in our approach. Let us take a decision once and for all. Or let us not blame our predecessors who have already made enough blunders to keep us away from growth and modernisation. Back to top mrniji Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 55 Location: FRA Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Quote: We have failed as a nation to address the problems of underdevelopment and unemployment in the rural areas. If these issues are not addressed immediately, I am afraid, the country might be heading towards a civil war. Very well said! Either we create incentives in rural areas, or urbanization, along with all its side-effects, will occur. Development should not be constrained to build mega-cities and glooming metropolis, but should expand to the areas where it is needed. Some of the best five star hotels, some of the worst slums, some of the prime research (space, biotechnology, IT), but no clean drinking water in villages... this is mata bharat... Back to top stealthpilot Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:34 am    Post subject: the_380 wrote: No it is not but you can definately ask them to show their job proof or atleast any security that they will get job within the next 6-8 months. Else leave the city. The slums should be the first target to this. Thank god our supreme court won’t let that happen. HAWK21M wrote: The solution lies with convincing people moving to the cityy that there are better opportunities elsewhere.Thats for the Govt to create. regds MEL That’s what I think. By ‘convince’ I don’t mean tell them how great another city is. I mean take action. Spend money on urban planning and infrastructure in smaller cities so the big ones don’t choke. Build and offer incentives for good roads, power supply, schools, hospitals etc in secondary cities and that will take the strain off the major ones. Now back to the original topic. Yes people are living there illegally (whatever work you want to use) and need to be shifted. But forcing them out isn’t a good idea. The government shouldn’t have let them settle in the first place, but that’s a different story altogether. The reality is that thousands of people live there now; we can’t just forcibly evict them (even though they don’t own the land) in 10 days. _________________ eP007 Back to top mrniji Member Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 55 Location: FRA Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Quote: Thank god our supreme court won’t let that happen. You are so right... developing India leads to the emergence of a big group of ignorant nouveau-riche people... 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