Airliners-India.com

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

Disha - Well, perhaps, you're right about the law in India. Its asserted only selectively at best, and even then, those its supposed to protect become mere pawns in some larger game. But while Mallya may appear to be a dunderhead, he's fiercely protective of the reputation of his beloved airline. The last thing he would want is negative publicity of a lascivious and sleazy sort, and I doubt if he's having casting couch sessions either for his own pleasure or for the benefit of flight deck crew. He imagines himself as a Bobby Kooka - Richard Branson hybrid, and both men, while flamboyant, were never known to be lecherous.

Rhumbline - Perhaps, you fly IT on a more regular basis than those who regularly praise the airline, but when 99 out of a 100 reviews of the airline are of the A to A+ variety, I suspect that the standards of service on board are very consistent. Reasonable minds can differ, of course, but reason doesn't call for accusations from left field.

G-BYGB · Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

Well-It is plain and simple.In India the Law and the Police are meant to serve and protect only the rich and mighty.Inturn they will get some money and rspect for making these people torture the innocent civilians for another day.

Thats why you see till date the murder of Arushi Talwar,Scarlett Kealing and others are not yet solved coz it may innvolve an high profile culprit.On the other hand if it was the murder of a minister or an industrialist, the law and the police would have swung into action that quickly and provided speedy justice.It would have taken only a day or max a week and not six months to one year or never in other case.

Well...I feel we are living in an Imaginary Democracy..
_________________
www.flickr.com/G-BYGB photos

The_Goat · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:12 am Post subject:

dishasamtani · Member Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 72

The_Goat · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:32 am Post subject:

rhumbline · Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 443

Aseem · Member Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 2841 Location: YYZ

folks!
after going through whole of the thread, I see apparent lack of communication. The interpretation or misinterpretation has got more to do with expression than the actual meaning of the word. If you read the post in which "W" word was used for the very first time, you'll find that it was not meant to convey the way it got across to some members. Either way it is advisable to avoid such words to prevent possible conflicts.

I'd advise members to have a fresh look at the topic, and start discussion while watching one's words. Failing which the thread would have to be closed, putting an end to a worthy topic.

rgds
VT-ASJ
_________________
[url=http://openflights.org/user/aseemsjohri]

[/url]

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

Any job comes with a certain amount of unpleasantness. It's part of the territory. Of course, just because something happens regularly doesn't make it right or even acceptable.

We've all faced some sort of unpleasant situation at work, often on a regular basis. Feeling sorry for yourself (and expecting others to feel sorry for you) is not going to get you anywhere; nor is expecting the "tormentor" to change. The world is full of disgusting men (and women). If you didn't know this, then you're just delusional. Do your job (whatever that job is) and either ignore the situation as best you can or confront / deal with it. If that's something you're unwilling or unable to do, then GET ANOTHER DAMN JOB. Its not the last remaining job on the planet. It never was.

As for Kingfisher, well, you also have your revolting boss to blame. The job of an FA has always had this image associated with it, and Pimp Daddy does not help by posing with his pretty staff who are dressed in tight little red numbers and proclaiming that his FAs are prettier than others'. I've never heard the boss of any other airline make such ridiculous statements (possibly with the exception of Hooters Air).

Nimish · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

Coming back to the topic - any news on IT/9W's collaboration and their intl plans?
_________________
We miss you Nalini!

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

karatecatman · Guest

Nimish · Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject:

karatecatman · Guest

http://news.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/jet-kingfisher-to-prune-flights-as-partdeal/15/27/363640

Jet-Kingfisher to prune flights as part of deal
Published on Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 21:15
Updated at Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:29
Source : Network18-Forbes

Cuckoo Paul

MUMBAI

Senior officials of Jet Airways and Kingfisher are working out the contours of the alliance that the two airlines announced earlier this month, even as they fight for survival with their backs to the wall. The key issues being thrashed out revolve around the level of transparency between the two airlines and ways to ensure trust and reciprocity.

On the cards is a significant pruning of flights on routes where both operate, a pooling of assets and co-ordinated dealing with third parties like travel agents, global distribution system companies and hotels. Data shared would have to be about the fares at which they sell their seats, load factors on each of these flights and other such information, sources close to the developments said.

An initial confirmation came on Monday. Jet Airways CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer said on Monday that six of the airline’s large aircraft (Boeing 777 and A330s) will be grounded to reduce capacity and stem operating losses. The airline lost $60m on international routes, where these aircraft are deployed. A similar cut in capacity would be expected from Kingfisher, once the alliance goes on stream.

Industry observers said trust and transparency are vital to making the relationship work, as it involves sharing information about each other’s strengths and weaknesses. “In such a deal, the devil is in the detail,” Kapil Kaul, India head of Sydney-based aviation think tank Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) said.

Consulting firm Accenture is advising the two on the structure of the deal. Vic Dungca, a close confidant of Jet Airways’ chairman, Naresh Goyal, and director on the airline’s board, is spearheading the talks from the Mumbai carrier, while the Kingfisher team is being headed by chief operating officer, Hitesh Patel, and the former Air Deccan CEO, Ramki Sundaram.

The alliance is critical to the financial health of the two airlines. Jet Airways posted a loss of Rs 384 crore in its Q2 results. The Kingfisher-Deccan combine is scheduled to declare its results for the first half of this fiscal on October 31, and is expected to announce similar losses.

Time is short for the airlines, as they are faced with falling traffic and a downturn in the economy that is certain to impact air traffic even further. Mumbai-based air-ticket consolidator, Blue Star, is one of the biggest agents for both airlines. Proprietor Madhav Oza says, “Forward bookings on domestic flights are looking poor compared to last year, despite it being the start of the peak season.” Bookings have fallen by close to 30% year on year, he confirmed. To combat this, Jet Airways on Thursday announced lower advance purchase fares on dozens of domestic flights. These fares are almost 20 to 30% lower than current fares. Jet is currently running a `companion free’ offer on its flights to Europe and United States.

The most immediate gain is expected to come from network rationalization and cross-selling of flight inventories using the common global distribution system platform. The two carriers compete furiously on most of the key routes in the country and would benefit from cutting routes and reducing capacity.

The airlines say, they plan to have interline/special prorate agreements, to leverage the joint network deploying 189 aircraft offering 927 domestic and 82 international flights daily. The alliance will include code-shares, where they pool traffic and one airline operates a flight, on both domestic and international flights. This is subject to approval from Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) approval.

Kingfisher has begun operating internationally on the Bangalore-London route with very poor loads. A tie-up with Jet Airways, which already operates to Europe, South East Asia, the Middle East and the United States, could help the airline use their aircrafts profitably.

Accenture again!!! Rolling Eyes

karatecatman · Guest

www.hindu.com/2008/10/29/stories/2008102959140300.htm
Flights to Bangalore reduced to three
Raviprasad Kamila

Fewer people are opting for flights
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The move is stated to be temporary

Services to be restored from November 16
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MANGALORE: The number of daily flights between Mangalore and Bangalore has come down by 50 per cent in the past ten days. It appears to be the result of the proposed alliance between Kingfisher Airlines and Jet Airways.

The two airline companies were operating six daily flights from Mangalore to Bangalore.

The number has now been reduced to three flights a day. According to a Jet Airways official, it will replace its larger aircraft operating between the two cities with smaller ones by November 16.

M.R. Vasudeva, director, Mangalore Airport, the Airports Authority of India (AAI), told The Hindu that Kingfisher Airlines had withdrawn two flights while Jet Airways had withdrawn one. The Kingfisher Airlines had withdrawn the flights departing at 10.20 a.m. and 9.30 p.m. from here to Bangalore. Jet Airways had withdrawn its flight departing to Bangalore at 7.40 p.m.

‘Temporary’

However, Pramod Nair, station manager, Jet Airways, Mangalore Airport, is understood to have informed the AAI that the withdrawal of its evening flight was for a short period between October 20 and October 31 due to commercial reasons.

He told The Hindu that the company had temporarily suspended its evening Boeing 737 flight. “It will remain suspended till November 15 and not till October 31 as planned earlier. It will be re-introduced from November 16. However, the Boeing 737 will be replaced with an ATR aircraft,” he said.

Existing flights

Mr. Vasudeva said that at present the airport was handling three flights between the two cities.

Of them, Kingfisher Airlines was operating two and Jet Airways one. The first flight of Kingfisher Airlines arrived here at 8.30 a.m. and departed at 9 a.m. The Jet Airways flight arrived at 9.05 a.m. and departed at 9.40 a.m. The last flight of Kingfisher Airlines arrived at 6.30 p.m. and departed at 7 p.m.

Mr. Nair said that Jet Airways would suspend its morning flight, also a Boeing 737, from November 1 to November 15. “We will re-introduce the service from November 16 with an ATR aircraft,” he said. Hence Jet Airways will operate only one ATR aircraft between the two cities.

Load factor

He said that Jet Airways was shifting to smaller aircraft considering the load and better yield factors. The passenger traffic between the two cities had declined this year, he said.

Mr. Vasudeva said that the four flights between Mumbai and Mangalore had not been disturbed.
The director said that Air India Express, which operates flights to five West Asian countries from here, had proposed to change the schedules of some of its services for the winter season. It had not said anything about reducing the number of its flights, he said. Sources in the airport said that the air fare between Mangalore and Bangalore had gone up recently. The operators were charging Rs. 8,000, and sometimes more, as one-way fare. There was a concession for tickets booked in advance, though, the sources said.

Punjabi Boy · Member Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 219 Location: LONDON LHR

Jet staff at LHR well aware that the ATQ stopping in DEC........remember all that is whet they told me....not the other way round

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

Seems like SQ's leaving ATQ too. If true, all that will remain will be the 3 London-Toronto flights on AI (plus the flights to the various 'Stans).

stealthpilot · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 2325 Location: BLR, DXB

rhumbline · Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 443

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

Who care's if they're just high school pass-outs? Or for that matter if they shack up on layovers?

If they're fully trained to fly a modern aircraft or provide a high quality of inflight service, that's all that matters. They're not being hired to wax eloquent on economic theories or split atoms on board.

dishasamtani · Member Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 72

rhumbline · Member Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 443

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

So now that ATQ has been officially withdrawn, any word on what will replace that flight? Or will Jet just let those precious slots be confiscated?

B787 Aditya · Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54

November 4th is last day in operating this flight. - I fly for them on the route! Being transferred onto the DEL-LHR-DEL from 5th Nov

Jaysit · Member Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 4346

avbuff · Member Joined: 22 Dec 2006 Posts: 5031

As of now it is a B77W throughout till March.

B787 Aditya · Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54

There has been talk of a A330 on the DEL-LHR-DEL. But nothing finalised yet. Would make sense as loads are not the best for 9W. Many of us crew looking elsewhere.

jasepl · Member Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 4257 Location: bund-bay

B787 Aditya · Member Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 54