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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Good New: Airport Renaming Reply with quote

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/on-govt-table-plan-to-name-rename-airports-after-cities-not-people-jayant-sinha-4514958/

On Govt table: Plan to name, rename airports after cities, not people

The government is considering a proposal to rename existing airports as well as future greenfield airports after cities and not personalities, Union Minister of State for Civil Aviation Jayant Sinha has told The Indian Express.

He said the proposal of naming airports after cities is being examined by the government and a final view in this regard is expected be taken. “That matter is under investigation. We are evaluating how best to deal with that issue,” Sinha said when asked about the government’s view on naming airports after cities, instead of naming them after personalities.
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Sources said that internal deliberations have been held on this matter and a view has emerged that the names of airports should be only after cities. The ministry also discussed the idea of renaming existing airports after cities but it is not clear whether a final decision has been arrived at in this regard.

The ministry had last year examined the proposal to name the airports by the name of the city in which they are located. This was discussed in light of perceived inconvenience caused to passengers and foreign tourists who may not be familiar with Indian personalities.

The government has so far not released any official policy in this regard. A set of policy guidelines with regard to naming of airports are likely to be finalised after these are cleared by the Union Cabinet. The terminals of the airports can be allowed to be named after eminent personalities, as suggested by the respective state governments, sources said.

Major airports in India have been named after personalities, for instance, Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport for Mumbai, Indira Gandhi International Airport for Delhi, Rajiv Gandhi International Airport in Hyderabad and the Kempegowda International Airport in Bengaluru.

Naming airports has been a tricky issue, as exemplified in the case of Chandigarh international airport in which Punjab and Haryana government own 24.5 per cent each while the remaining 51 per cent equity is held by the state-owned Airports Authority of India. The Punjab government had in 2009 proposed naming of Chandigarh airport as Shaheed-e-Azam Sardar Bhagat Singh International Airport, Mohali while the Haryana assembly, in 2009, passed a resolution that the new international airport be named Shaheed Bhagat Singh International Airport, Chandigarh.

Ignoring this resolution, the BJP government in Haryana sent a fresh proposal to the Centre on June 5, 2015, for naming the airport as Dr. Mangal Sein International Airport, Chandigarh. Sein was a former deputy chief minister of Haryana from 1977 to 1979 and a pracharak of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. The naming of Chandigarh airport has been stuck due to lack of consensus among the two states. The civil aviation ministry has been discussing framing guidelines in this regard since last year.

Earlier, in reply to a query in Rajya Sabha on May 3, 2016 on the issue, former Minister of State for Civil Aviation Mahesh Sharma had said: “Due to lack of any firm and explicit instructions/guidelines for naming/renaming of airports in the country and considering the convenience of the passengers in general and especially foreign tourists who are not familiar with the local history of the area, a view has emerged to name the airports by the name of the city in which they are located/served and the terminals of the airports after eminent personalities.”
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ji Ji Shivaji Maharaj Ji brigade in Mumbai will never allow the name of the airport to be changed.

The same holds for Chennai and other places.


I doubt the minister wll be able to get his way, but it would be great if he does.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Ji Ji Shivaji Maharaj Ji brigade in Mumbai will never allow the name of the airport to be changed.

The same holds for Chennai and other places.


I doubt the minister wll be able to get his way, but it would be great if he does.


Among the most egregious naming of an airport is Rajiv Gandhi Airport at Hyderabad. Rajiv Gandhi has almost no connection to the city and may be visited the place a few times as a prime minister or as a PM candidate. This move was purely political by the then Congress government. All other names for the city airports in India at least have some connection to the city.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Among the most egregious naming of an airport is Rajiv Gandhi Airport at Hyderabad. Rajiv Gandhi has almost no connection to the city and may be visited the place a few times as a prime minister or as a PM candidate. This move was purely political by the then Congress government. All other names for the city airports in India at least have some connection to the city.


Not many people know that Rajiv Gandhi was a very frequent visitor to Hyderabad, during the time he flew HS-748s for IC.

Hyderabad was the engineering base for HS-748s, and Rajiv loved to talk to the engineers about the aircraft. The HS had massive performance issues in the beginning, and Rajiv was often found in HYD asking the IC engineers a lot of questions about it. My dad has met him on numerous occasions. Rajiv also used to train often at the CTE in HYD.

I have heard that he had his favourite Biryani joint too.

Of course, these are hardly the reasons to name the airport after him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Among the most egregious naming of an airport is Rajiv Gandhi Airport at Hyderabad. Rajiv Gandhi has almost no connection to the city and may be visited the place a few times as a prime minister or as a PM candidate. This move was purely political by the then Congress government. All other names for the city airports in India at least have some connection to the city.


Not many people know that Rajiv Gandhi was a very frequent visitor to Hyderabad, during the time he flew HS-748s for IC.

Hyderabad was the engineering base for HS-748s, and Rajiv loved to talk to the engineers about the aircraft. The HS had massive performance issues in the beginning, and Rajiv was often found in HYD asking the IC engineers a lot of questions about it. My dad has met him on numerous occasions. Rajiv also used to train often at the CTE in HYD.

I have heard that he had his favourite Biryani joint too.

Of course, these are hardly the reasons to name the airport after him.


But, but, but Chattrapati Maharaj Shivaji invented the Boeing 747. It was known as the Maratha 747, but Boeing stole the idea from him.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iah87 wrote:
The_Goat wrote:
The Ji Ji Shivaji Maharaj Ji brigade in Mumbai will never allow the name of the airport to be changed.

The same holds for Chennai and other places.


I doubt the minister wll be able to get his way, but it would be great if he does.


Among the most egregious naming of an airport is Rajiv Gandhi Airport at Hyderabad. Rajiv Gandhi has almost no connection to the city and may be visited the place a few times as a prime minister or as a PM candidate. This move was purely political by the then Congress government. All other names for the city airports in India at least have some connection to the city.


If anything, Rajiv Gandhi being an ex-pilot atleast has a connection to aviation.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

or if we can have something along the lines of 'Skyharbour', it would be great

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Goat wrote:
The Ji Ji Shivaji Maharaj Ji brigade in Mumbai will never allow the name of the airport to be changed.


Jaysit wrote:
But, but, but Chattrapati Maharaj Shivaji invented the Boeing 747. It was known as the Maratha 747, but Boeing stole the idea from him.


Historically speaking, Shivaji had nothing to do with present day Bombay. Infact, the airport (Santa Cruz) itself is located on the island of Salsette. But of course, the likes of the Slave Sena (themselves more genetically related to the descendants of Portuguese Cafré slaves, than the "sons of the soil") wouldn't know that. And I bet that if that New Bombay airport does every come about, it would be named after that gangster, Bal Thackeray.

Renaming Santa Cruz after a small time warlord was as idiotic, historically speaking, as renaming Hyderabad after Rajiv Gandhi. If it had to be renamed after a person, it ought to have been renamed after J.R.D. It's ironic that in a country that names aviation related places after every "gunda" possible, there is nothing that carries the name of the father of Indian aviation.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If anything, Rajiv Gandhi being an ex-pilot atleast has a connection to aviation.


Will the people rename MAA to amMA International Aairport or APJ Abdul Kalam International Airport?

If the proposal doesn't go though, APJ atleast deserves 1 good airport named after him due to his contribution.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

747-237 wrote:
Renaming Santa Cruz after a small time warlord was as idiotic, historically speaking, as renaming Hyderabad after Rajiv Gandhi. If it had to be renamed after a person, it ought to have been renamed after J.R.D. It's ironic that in a country that names aviation related places after every "gunda" possible, there is nothing that carries the name of the father of Indian aviation.


Well said.

The greatest luminary in Indian aviation, and one of the greatest in aviation generally, doesn't have an airport named after him. How tragic.

India should name latrines and public toilets after politicians. If nothing else, at least they'll be maintained and cleaned somewhat.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But, but, but Chattrapati Maharaj Shivaji invented the Boeing 747. It was known as the Maratha 747, but Boeing stole the idea from him.


This one is right up (y)our alley !

We built the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, an example of Maharashtrian architecture, invented in the Western Ghats.

http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31821&articlexml=MY-BAD-History-of-India-after-Haldighati-17022017012009
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Good New: Airport Renaming Reply with quote

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This was discussed in light of perceived inconvenience caused to passengers and foreign tourists who may not be familiar with Indian personalities.


If this is the reason why airports have to be renamed, then it is very sad indeed. By naming airports after famous local personalities, the foreign tourists will become familiar with them as well, and expands their horizons.

When we as foreigners in other countries, don't have a problem with CDG or JFK I don't see why we need to bend over backwards for foreign tourists arriving on our shores.

BTW who is Pearson, whose name has been given to Toronto airport?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Good New: Airport Renaming Reply with quote

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If this is the reason why airports have to be renamed, then it is very sad indeed. By naming airports after famous local personalities, the foreign tourists will become familiar with them as well, and expands their horizons.

When we as foreigners in other countries, don't have a problem with CDG or JFK I don't see why we need to bend over backwards for foreign tourists arriving on our shores.

BTW who is Pearson, whose name has been given to Toronto airport?


Pearson Airport is named after Lester B Pearson, the former Prime Minister of Canada, who among other things, also won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1957.

There is nothing wrong in naming airports or other places after men/women who have contributed greatly to the country. The problem in India is that such namings are politically motivated and have nothing to do with the contributions made by the person.

For instance, it is a matter of crying shame why no airport in India is named after J R D Tata or even PV Narasimha Rao, while there are airports named after Rajiv Gandhi, Annadurai, MGR and Jai Prakash Narayan.

And while I have some respect for Chattrapati Shivaji as a warrior, it is quite un-necessary to name an airport after him. This is particularly so when he already has a major railway station and a few other things named after him. Mumbai's airport should have been named after JRD.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Good New: Airport Renaming Reply with quote

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And while I have some respect for Chattrapati Shivaji as a warrior, it is quite un-necessary to name an airport after him. This is particularly so when he already has a major railway station and a few other things named after him. Mumbai's airport should have been named after JRD.


How dare you ! That's "Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj" !!!! Razz
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Why the hell is everything named after Shivaji?

Aren't there other Maratha luminaries that stuff can be named after?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why the hell is everything named after Shivaji?

Aren't there other Maratha luminaries that stuff can be named after?


Honestly, his band of followers have created an urban legend, a myth, about a relatively unimportant medieval warlord. He has been raised to the level of a demi-god from that of the chieftain of a band of rebellious marauders. Historically speaking, Bombay is full of lies & myths when it comes to him, and his exploits. As part of a historical group, I was glad to hear that the folks at the ASI have debunked the myth that "Shivaji used to stay at the Sion fort". His outfit were not fort builders, but rather fort capturers (from other Indian small time "maharajas", and the Portuguese). A recent study by a historian friend of mine has unearthed about 80 Portuguese church bells that were looted by his thugs during their incursion into the Salsette, and installed in temples around what is now Maharashtra. Interestingly enough, his study was presented to the current chief minister of the state. Of course, there is no chance in hell that the descendants of those marauders will ever return the spoils of war.

Apologies for getting way off topic - the fact is that this historical character has been given way too much importance in western Indian culture. Having an airport and railway station built by the British, re-named after him is a paradox, for he was not a builder, but a destroyer of culture other than his own. Once again, I digress way too much into history, from aviation. It's unfortunate to have to see his name on an airport that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his lot !

Now if you don't hear from me again, you'll know the "Slave Sena" got me ! Rolling Eyes
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Jaysit wrote:
Why the hell is everything named after Shivaji?

Aren't there other Maratha luminaries that stuff can be named after?


Honestly, his band of followers have created an urban legend, a myth, about a relatively unimportant medieval warlord. He has been raised to the level of a demi-god from that of the chieftain of a band of rebellious marauders. Historically speaking, Bombay is full of lies & myths when it comes to him, and his exploits. As part of a historical group, I was glad to hear that the folks at the ASI have debunked the myth that "Shivaji used to stay at the Sion fort". His outfit were not fort builders, but rather fort capturers (from other Indian small time "maharajas", and the Portuguese). A recent study by a historian friend of mine has unearthed about 80 Portuguese church bells that were looted by his thugs during their incursion into the Salsette, and installed in temples around what is now Maharashtra. Interestingly enough, his study was presented to the current chief minister of the state. Of course, there is no chance in hell that the descendants of those marauders will ever return the spoils of war.

Apologies for getting way off topic - the fact is that this historical character has been given way too much importance in western Indian culture. Having an airport and railway station built by the British, re-named after him is a paradox, for he was not a builder, but a destroyer of culture other than his own. Once again, I digress way too much into history, from aviation. It's unfortunate to have to see his name on an airport that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his lot !

Now if you don't hear from me again, you'll know the "Slave Sena" got me ! Rolling Eyes


Agree that naming everything in BOM after Shivaji may be too much. The BOM airport should have been named after Tata whose corporate HQ is in Mumbai.

Concerning the relatively unimportant warlord, Shivaji was one of the few kings who successfully resisted the Mughal invasion (Aurangazeb) and kept the Mughals at bay. And Aurangazeb was a major looter and destroyer himself. As far as looting from Portugese, well the Portugese themselves looted (and killed) a lot, so Shivaji taking (or looting) from the Portugese is not something negative.

And I am not from Mumbai or Maharashtra nor affiliated with Shiv Sena in any form or manner.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Aurangazeb was a major looter and destroyer himself. As far as looting from Portugese, well the Portugese themselves looted (and killed) a lot, so Shivaji taking (or looting) from the Portugese is not something negative.

I would disagree with both the above, especially the later, based on historical data. That being said, it is an opinion after all. I respect your right to have one.
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