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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Emirates begins A340-500 retirement Reply with quote

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Emirates begins A340-500 phase out

27SEP2013

Emirates has withdrawn two of its ten A340-500s from service with one now being broken up for spare parts, FlightGlobal reports. According to airline president, Tim Clark, the move is a big, if necessary, move given the high cost of fuel the world-over. “We’ve taken a big hit to retire them, but [their poor economics means] there’s no point in flying them,” he said. Emirates intends to accelerate the retirement of its remaining A340-500 fleet with the primary objective being to sell them on to other willing buyers. However, should that fail, then they will be scrapped. The aircraft were bought from Airbus Industrie in 2004 to service Emirates' long-hual flights to the West Coast of the US and to eastern Australia. Other operators of the type include Singapore Airlines, Etihad Airways, AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines, Hi Fly, Kuwait Airways, Forces Aériennes Algériennes and Qatar Airways Amiri Flight.



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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-begins-parting-out-its-a340-500s-390832/


Emirates begins parting out its A340-500s




Emirates has retired two of its 10 Airbus A340-500s, and is breaking one for spares, as sustained high fuel prices take their toll on operations of the four-engined aircraft.

The Dubai network carrier introduced the ultra-long range airliner in 2003, meaning that its oldest aircraft is only 10 years old. But the high cost of fuel makes the aircraft uneconomic to fly now, says Emirates Airline president Tim Clark.

“We’ve taken a big hit to retire them, but [their poor economics means] there’s no point in flying them,” says Clark. “They were designed in the late 1990s with fuel at $25-30. They fell over at $60 and at $120 they haven’t got a hope in hell.”

Clark says that Emirates is looking to accelerate the phase-out of its remaining eight A340-500s, and if it cannot find any buyers, “they’re going to the knacker’s yard”.

One A340-500 has been ferried to Ras al-Khaimah for parting out, while a second is stored in Dubai, where it may be retained as a back-up aircraft. “I’m thinking about that,” says Clark, who adds that Emirates has “zeroed” the aircraft’s book value.

Emirates will use spares removed from the first aircraft to support the remaining eight in service.

The Rolls-Royce Trent 500-powered airliner nominally seats 313 passengers and is a short-fuselage, ultra-long-range derivative of the A340-600. Emirates operates its A340-500s in a 258-seat layout.

With its 9,000nm (16,650km) range, the -500 was at service entry touted by Airbus as the world’s longest-range airliner, which was behind Emirates’ decision to order it.

“When we bought it, it was the only aeroplane that could fly nonstop to the west coast of the USA or the east coast of Australia,” says Clark. “Unfortunately for Airbus, nobody foresaw fuel doing what it did.”

Airbus delivered a total of 32 A340-500s between 2003 and 2010. Emirates has been the largest operator, taking delivery of 10. Other operators have included Arik Air, Etihad, Singapore Airlines, TAM and Thai Airways, while several A340-500s are operated as government transports.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Airbus 340 also ushered the ultra long distance flight between north America and south east Asian transit hubs like Hong Kong, Singapore and Bang Kok All these were trans polar flights and without A340 the flight would not have been possible. This four engine aircraft has left its mark in aviation history and it will not be forgotten.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Airbus 340 also ushered the ultra long distance flight between north America and south east Asian transit hubs like Hong Kong, Singapore and Bang Kok


I believe the 747SP did all this long before the A345 was even thought about?

In any case, the entire A340 program is a flop show, and the A345 is the second most unsuccessful member of the family after the A340-200.

Creating a four engined long haul airplane at a time when ETOPS was fast emerging as the way of the future was simply bad thinking by Airbus, who pioneered the concept of the twin engine wide body to start with.

That said, I love the 340, particularly the A340-300. Lovely airplane and very comfortable from the pax perspective.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe the 747SP did all this long before the A345 was even thought about?
Unfortunately, that was an abject failure, selling some 45-odd frames only, and rising barrel costs contributed to this.
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Creating a four engined long haul airplane at a time when ETOPS was fast emerging as the way of the future was simply bad thinking by Airbus, who pioneered the concept of the twin engine wide body to start with.
Sir, I do not consider it that much of a mistake, since the A340 came out much before the B777 with comparable ranges. What they did not foresee was the sudden incredible popularity of the B777, with larger ranges, and increased popularity with the barrel prices going up. The A340 was not an abject failure however, owing to its commonality with Airbus's big twin, the immensely popular A330, highly successful in its own right in addition to being the best bridge-gap with technology-perfected A350-B787s, for prospective customers.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sumantra wrote:
The_Goat wrote:
I believe the 747SP did all this long before the A345 was even thought about?
Unfortunately, that was an abject failure, selling some 45-odd frames only, and rising barrel costs contributed to this.

All ULR aircraft are niche, and can never be successful commercially. Airbus should have learned that from the 747SP experience.

Boeing on the other hand knew it already, thanks to the SP. In any case, Boeing probably never had the commercial success of the SP in mind. They had designed the 747SP only to cater to the specific requirement of some operators like SAA, Pan Am and Iran Air. Also, since the 747 program was already hugely successful, they could deal very well with the lack of commercial success of a sub type.

It is the same with the 77L. It is riding on the successful 777 family, and Boeing won't be too worried at the lack of sales for that model when the other members of the family are selling so well.

and by the way, even the 747SP with its 45-odd frames was more successful than the A345.

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Sir, I do not consider it that much of a mistake, since the A340 came out much before the B777 with comparable ranges. What they did not foresee was the sudden incredible popularity of the B777, with larger ranges, and increased popularity with the barrel prices going up.
Cheers, Sumantra.


The A340-200 was a disaster right from the start, with its lower capacity and four engines. Only 28 were ever built

I agree that the A340-300 catered to a niche for some time. It was the most successful member of the family. It also owed its success to carriers like LH, who were looking for a replacement for the DC-10 with longer range, and were dissatisfied with the MD-11.

By the time the A346 and A345 came about, the writing on the wall was clear for the A340 family.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad but not surprising. Expect EK to jettison old planes as they have their A350 coming.

Have been fortunate to have travelled on AC's A345 DEL-YYZ. One of the most proportionate planes will surely be missed.

Also, A340 series has had its fare share of success. They came in when Boeing's answer was B767. It helped those routes immensely where there wasn't enough capacity to fill B747. We should give this bird a fair share of credit.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember correctly, SIN-SFX transpolar flight was offered only in a A340-xxx, all business class configuration. B747SP was too big to fill up. Even Thai Airlines used A340 for Bang Kok – LAX sector for some time. But advent of high bypass large diameter engines made four engine aircrafts obsolete. But there was no problem with the airframe. Perhaps Airbus should have thought of converting a four engine aircraft to two engine one long ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be hard pressed to label the entire A340 family as an out and out failure, with over 350 frames built, it isn't.

And when you couple the A330 with it (they're from the same line after all), it most certainly isn't.

Both the 747SP and the A340-500 in specific were victims of periods of high fuel prices of the day - the former during the turbulent 70s (recall the 1973 and the 1979 oil shocks), and the latter during the first decade of the 2000s.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps Airbus should have thought of converting a four engine aircraft to two engine one long ago.


Never gave that a thought. I presume they too didn't anticipate it. Probably by the time they realized, A350 was already on drawing board.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps Airbus should have thought of converting a four engine aircraft to two engine one long ago.



They did. It is called the A330. Wink

The A343 and the A330 are completely interconvertible, apparently.

Spiderguy252 wrote:

You'll be hard pressed to label the entire A340 family as an out and out failure, with over 350 frames built, it isn't.


You're right. If one considers the A340 as a special version of the A330, then the whole family surely has been very successful.

Don't know if Airbus thought about it that way, though.
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Talking about A340-200, which is pretty much A330-300 with two more engines. How does adding two more engines increase the range? Common sense would say adding extra fuel capacity would increase range. Of is it that engines can take only certain amount of load at a stretch, and that necessitates 4 engines 4 long-haul?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
Talking about A340-200, which is pretty much A330-300 with two more engines. How does adding two more engines increase the range? Common sense would say adding extra fuel capacity would increase range. Of is it that engines can take only certain amount of load at a stretch, and that necessitates 4 engines 4 long-haul?

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@Aseem, both A330 and A349 have a super wing of192ft long but the body has same cross section of A300/A310 but is longer. A330 has two high bypass large diameter ( like RR Trent ) engine with over 64000 lb thrust. A340 has four CFM 56 engine of 31000 lbs thrust which are not high bypass engine. This program started in 1987 and high bypass jet engine technology was not fully developed. But I still don’t know why Airbus opted for four engines. In any case total thrust of these two aircrafts remained more or less same. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aseem wrote:
Talking about A340-200, which is pretty much A330-300 with two more engines. How does adding two more engines increase the range? Common sense would say adding extra fuel capacity would increase range. Of is it that engines can take only certain amount of load at a stretch, and that necessitates 4 engines 4 long-haul?

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Here is a look at the weight and range comparison of the two


Empty Weight
A340-200 : 126, 000 kg A330-200: 120,000 kg
Max Take of weight
A340-200: 260,000 kg A330-200: 230,000 kg
Max Range
A340-200: 13,805 km A330-200 : 11,850 km

The four engined A340 is approx 6000 kg heavier than the twin A330. The A340 also can carry about 24,000 kg more, because its four engines give it more power than the A330's two. This increase in payload enables the carrying of additional fuel by the A340, giving it a greater range (approx 2000 kms more than the A330).

This of course, is assuming everything else is the same.

On paper, the A340 should then be a better airplane than the A330, but you must consider that the inventory and maintenance costs of a four engined aircraft are a lot greater than those for a twin. Airlines were willing to trade the extra range of the A340 in return for more savings on the A330.

Don't know if I have missed anything in my analysis. Maybe some expert can provide greater insight?
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...carrying forward your analysis, A340 lost its utility to A330 as one-stop flights remained popular. The extra fuel carried and burnt further pinched the bottom lines.

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EK has halted all it's aircraft retirement until further notice. The A345s will remain in the fleet. The A343s MAY go.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EK has halted all it's aircraft retirement until further notice. The A345s will remain in the fleet. The A343s MAY go.


What caused this sudden change in stance? Are they anticipating delays in aircraft deliveries?
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No aircraft delays per se, but thism ove is more to expand faster to combat competition.

Our A380 to LAX was a pre emptive move to EY launching LAX. Similarly the A380 will go to IAH in Summer 2014 as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No aircraft delays per se, but thism ove is more to expand faster to combat competition.

Our A380 to LAX was a pre emptive move to EY launching LAX. Similarly the A380 will go to IAH in Summer 2014 as well.


Wow - the pace at EK boggles the mind!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EK has halted all it's aircraft retirement until further notice.

Why do you only have bad news avbuff Wink
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stealthpilot wrote:
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EK has halted all it's aircraft retirement until further notice.

Why do you only have bad news avbuff Wink


My apologies sir, but if you want .. you can join my list of whatsapp updates ... so that I can mentally prepare you for all the bad newses to come Sad
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