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If that's what they think is needed to secure their (very porous) borders, or to delude their public, then by all means they should do it.
They're a sovereign state and free to demand anything of visitors in exchange for entry permission.
I personally don't see it making much of a difference at all, because 3,000 pounds is a relatively small sum which can be easily recovered by doing illegal jobs for a few months. Their obscene visa fees haven't kept millions of Indians and Pakistanis and Nigerians from flocking to Britain (legally and illegally) either.
Still, cue the "how dare they... we must ask every pasty Brit to pay 3 crore for the privilege of coming to our country" nonsense).
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| jasepl wrote: |
I personally don't see it making much of a difference at all, because 3,000 pounds is a relatively small sum which can be easily recovered by doing illegal jobs for a few months. Their obscene visa fees haven't kept millions of Indians and Pakistanis and Nigerians from flocking to Britain (legally and illegally) either.
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True.
But an additional 3000 Pounds can still be a hefty amount for the bulk of the wannabe migrants who use the tourist visa route to migrate, i.e the poor Punjabi villagers from the Doaba belt, who sell their land, home and everything else just to pay an agent to get a passport and a tourist visa.
A better idea IMO, is what the Schenegan crowd are increasingly doing nowadays. They issue a visa for exactly the number of days the tourist wants to tour, and also ask him/her to report back at the respective Schenegan consulate in India within 24 hours of the visa expiring. Failing this, the tourist in question is declared a felon, and criminal action initiated against whoever sponsored the visa.
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| The_Goat wrote: | | ask him/her to report back at the respective Schenegan consulate in India within 24 hours of the visa expiring. Failing this, the tourist in question is declared a felon, and criminal action initiated against whoever sponsored the visa. |
This part makes no sense, I might leave the Schengen to go to Britain for a week after the expiry of the Schengen visa, does not make me a felon/ criminal!
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This part makes no sense, I might leave the Schengen to go to Britain for a week after the expiry of the Schengen visa, does not make me a felon/ criminal! |
Maybe you are exempt from this if you have a non-shenegan destination in your itinerary, I don't know.
I know a number of Indian and other tourists who were subject to this requirement recently.
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Still , only Nigeria appears to have the ball-bearings to threaten to respond in kind.
The (supposed) Fourth largest economy- by-PPP is as usual, bending down to its nether regions , not even a murmur of protest. |
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| ssbmat wrote: | Still , only Nigeria appears to have the ball-bearings to threaten to respond in kind.
The (supposed) Fourth largest economy- by-PPP is as usual, bending down to its nether regions , not even a murmur of protest. |
Why am I not surprised with this response?
What exactly do you want India to protest? The God-given right of every Indian to go to Britain as we please? And stay there as long as we like at vast expense to their taxpayers?
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While UK is free to impose their own rules, it could adversely affect relations, especially trade with India, so look for UK not to impose this at this time atleast for Indians. May be the bond could apply for those, where the UK visa had been rejected a couple of times. And 3000 pounds is not going to deter would be illegal migrants as it can be recovered in a few months and it is going to deter some legitimate visitors who can go anywhere.
The US has the very same problem and they dont know how to solve this either and their exit tracking system is non-existent.
 Now if they give 10% interest for the amount, I am sure everyone will be happy. |
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| iah87 wrote: | | And 3000 pounds is not going to deter would be illegal migrants as it can be recovered in a few months |
It is not that easy for an illegal worker to recover 3000 quid in a few months.
Remember, these are illegal workers. They are exploited, even enslaved, by unscrupulous employers(who usually belong to their own race, but that is another matter), and have no rights or protection whatsoever. More often than not, they end up living in misery, ten people in one 5ftX5ft room with nowhere to go, and no hope in sight. They cannot stay in the UK, and cannot even return home, as they have usually taken big loans to pay the traffickers for getting them abroad. There are plenty of such types from India and other places in the UK, and 3000 Pounds is a very big amount for such people.
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and it is going to deter some legitimate visitors who can go anywhere.
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For many legitimate visitors from India , at least, the ones who are really going to be beneficial to the UK Economy, 3000 Pounds ranges from being a minor inconvenience to a bag of peanuts. This crowd is not going to be deterred one little bit.
I think it is very clear which type of people the UK wants to keep out by bringing this legislation.
That said, the ones who are really going to be hit are either the VFR types who usually travel on the lowest economy class fares, or the first time travellers who book Rs 150,000 - ten day trips on Coxs and Kings.
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Well that article didn't tell us anything new. It just used a bit of mockery to repeat what we all already know. Kind of like me with my regular Fibga point-and-laugh show.
On the other hand, we have official Indian bodies making incredulous statements like ""... it will also further bring down the number of students going to UK for higher studies and affect the tourism inflow from India to UK."
Really? Really really?
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